Al Qaeda confirms Bin Laden killed

[jmhudak17]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-confirms-bin-laden-death-monitoring-group-122049286.html

This will probably put an end to at least some of the Bin Laden theories, as long as the message is authentic.

[nate895]

Al Qaeda is just an arm of the CIA. That's why they're confirming this.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

wow. White House must be in emergency mode on this fake Bin Laden killing. No one is buying it.

http://www.infowars.com/us-government-contractor-claims-al-qaeda-has-confirmed-bin-laden-fairytale/

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Yeah, because if someone calls themselves "the general leadership" of al-Qaida and posts some bullshit on a message board, then we must believe they are who they say they are. I think the same poster seemed to not know the US is claming they dumped the body at sea. As far as I can tell, this is horseshit for news. If it really means something, someone please correct me.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_al_qaida



The confirmation came in an Internet statement posted on militant websites, signed by "the general leadership" of al-Qaida.

[jmhudak17]

Yeah, because if someone calls themselves "the general leadership" of al-Qaida and posts some bullshit on a message board, then we must believe they are who they say they are. I think the same poster seemed to not know the US is claming they dumped the body at sea. As far as I can tell, this is horseshit for news. If it really means something, someone please correct me.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_al_qaida

It very well may be fake; I haven't seen the actual message. It matters how it was posted: anonymously, on a website confirmed to be run by al-Qaeda or people with connections to them, etc.

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah, because if someone calls themselves "the general leadership" of al-Qaida and posts some bullshit on a message board, then we must believe they are who they say they are. I think the same poster seemed to not know the US is claming they dumped the body at sea. As far as I can tell, this is horseshit for news. If it really means something, someone please correct me.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_al_qaida

This ^^ +a bunch

[emazur]

The statement's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but it was posted on websites where the group traditionally puts out its messages.


Couldn't be independently confirmed? Shocker!

[Sola_Fide]

Not buying it.

[sirgonzo420]

Al Aqaeda = CIA

Osama bin Laden = CIA operative Tim Osman

http://dutchpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/brzezinski_bin_laden_aka_tim_osman.gif?w=720

[jmhudak17]

Personally I think we probably killed him, but I'd still like to see some independently confirmed evidence.

[jmhudak17]

Al Aqaeda = CIA

Osama bin Laden = CIA operative Tim Osman

http://dutchpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/brzezinski_bin_laden_aka_tim_osman.gif?w=720

http://www.911myths.com/html/tim_osman_was_bin_ladin_.html

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

It very well may be fake; I haven't seen the actual message. It matters how it was posted: anonymously, on a website confirmed to be run by al-Qaeda or people with connections to them, etc.

Well, earlier, the Yahoo link I posted said exactly what I had in quotes. The link I posted has been changed since. Maybe before I even posted it in this thread. The earlier article at my link was also an AP story that said the message was posted on websites claiming to be ""the general leadership" of al-Qaida. " The article also said the poster seemed to not know the body was dumped at sea (my words) because they gave some warnings about dealing with the body or something.

I can't believe they changed the fucking article. Now they're just running with this as a fact and saying "could not be independently confirmed" Well, no shit.

[dannno]

http://www.911myths.com/html/tim_osman_was_bin_ladin_.html

Wow, the person who wrote that doesn't even know basic history.

It's not like anybody doubts that we provided material support for the Mujaheddin, and it's not like Osama wasn't one of the heads of the Mujaheddin. They don't even mention this basic fact.

[jmhudak17]

Wow, the person who wrote that doesn't even know basic history.

details?

[sofia]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-confirms-bin-laden-death-monitoring-group-122049286.html

This will probably put an end to at least some of the Bin Laden theories, as long as the message is authentic.


Al Qaeda has a website?...really?

lol....this is the most transparent hoax I have ever seen....

[jmhudak17]

Al Qaeda has a website?...really?

lol....this is the most transparent hoax I have ever seen....

They may have a website where they've posted websites before. It's not impossible.

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.911myths.com/html/tim_osman_was_bin_ladin_.html

Even your "debunking" article backpedals at the very end:


Given these issues, it’s hard to see how the Osman story can tell us very much on its own. More evidence is essential before we can begin to form a reliable picture about what, if anything, this means.

Weak, weak, sauce.

[jmhudak17]

Even your "debunking" article backpedals at the very end:



Weak, weak, sauce.

It's not a full out debunking article. It's saying that the evidence that the "Tim Osman" story is based on is very weak. It may be something to keep in the back of your mind but it's not something that you can just assume to be true.

[dannno]

http://www.911myths.com/html/tim_osman_was_bin_ladin_.html

Ok, you seem to be in the "Scholarly and Accepted View" in the wikipedia article on the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA-Osama_bin_Laden_controversy#Scholarly_and_accepted _view


U.S. government officials and a number of other parties maintain that the U.S. supported only the indigenous Afghan mujahideen. They deny that the CIA or other American officials had contact with the Afghan Arabs (foreign mujahideen) or Bin Laden, let alone armed, trained, coached or indoctrinated them. Scholars and reporters have called the idea the CIA backed Afghan Arabs (foreign mujahideen) "nonsense",[16] "sheer fantasy",[17] and "simply a folk myth."[18]

Ready for me to blow that statement out of the water?


From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad
Violent Soviet-Era Textbooks Complicate Afghan Education Efforts

By Joe Stephens and David B. Ottaway
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, March 23, 2002; Page A01

In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict fundamentalist code.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5339-2002Mar22?language=printer


We even know that the books were produced at the University of Nebraska.

Stop listening to god damn liars. Their whole mission is to keep everything top secret, why do you think they are going to tell you the truth?

[jmhudak17]

Ok, you seem to be in the "Scholarly and Accepted View" in the wikipedia article on the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA-Osama_bin_Laden_controversy#Scholarly_and_accepted _view



Ready for me to blow that statement out of the water?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5339-2002Mar22?language=printer


We even know that the books were produced at the University of Nebraska.

Stop listening to god damn liars. Their whole mission is to keep everything top secret, why do you think they are going to tell you the truth?

Oh I completely agree that the US did help the Mujahideen and spread anti-Soviet propaganda. I realize that the government lies all the time, and I don't agree with everything in the article I posted. That being said, I do believe that the Tim Osman story is based on weak evidence at best.

[Anti Federalist]

It's not a full out debunking article. It's saying that the evidence that the "Tim Osman" story is based on is very weak. It may be something to keep in the back of your mind but it's not something that you can just assume to be true.

Fair enough, but for me, a picture says a thousand words:

http://dutchpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/brzezinski_bin_laden_aka_tim_osman.gif?w=720

Or:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mLO4E39mOuE/TVGN74GJhaI/AAAAAAAAANU/3y6PgLOe6JM/s1600/rumsfeld-hussein.jpg

Quite a bit of what we are dealing with today is "Cold War Fallout", where the rules basically went out the window and we were playing so many sides against the middle it was impossible to keep track.

[sirgonzo420]

It's not a full out debunking article. It's saying that the evidence that the "Tim Osman" story is based on is very weak. It may be something to keep in the back of your mind but it's not something that you can just assume to be true.

The "official evidence" of 9/11, bin Laden's history and connection to it, and the recent "killing" of bin Laden is all very weak. It may be something to keep in the back of your mind but it's not something that you can just assume to be true.

[Vessol]

Al Qeuda is a decentralized group with no hierarchy or anything. Any dumbo could post on the internet that bin Laden is dead and that they say so because they are part of Al Qeuda. Do they take us for idiots?

I'd also like to see the message boards and websites that these messages seem to always be published. I've never once seen a link or image of the arabic text.

[jmhudak17]

Al Qeuda is a decentralized group with no hierarchy or anything. Any dumbo could post on the internet that bin Laden is dead and that they say so because they are part of Al Qeuda. Do they take us for idiots?

I'd also like to see the message boards and websites that these messages seem to always be published. I've never once seen a link or image of the arabic text.

I completely agree.

[Bruno]

"Our leader is dead."

- The Managment Team

[Son of Detroit]

If Osama was still alive, Al Qaeda is not going to admit it.

"Oh no, he's alive. Feel free to come try to kill him now".

This would work out in their favor. If he was still alive, he could literally come to the U.S and shop at Walmart and get away with it if everyone thinks he's dead.

[Vessol]

If Osama was still alive, Al Qaeda is not going to admit it.

"Oh no, he's alive. Feel free to come try to kill him now".

This would work out in their favor. If he was still alive, he could literally come to the U.S and shop at Walmart and get away with it if everyone thinks he's dead.

It's kind of like when Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the underwear bomber.

Why the fuck would they claim responsibility for something so embarrassing that failed so hard. The guy was a mental retard and the "bomb" would've sparked, and that's about it.

[Teaser Rate]

This will probably put an end to at least some of the Bin Laden theories, as long as the message is authentic.

You obviously aren't very familiar with conspiracy theorists. To the more devoted ones, their worldview is as important to them a religious faith and is just as difficult to change.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Al Qeuda is a decentralized group with no hierarchy or anything. Any dumbo could post on the internet that bin Laden is dead and that they say so because they are part of Al Qeuda. Do they take us for idiots?



That was the claim of the original article at the yahoo link I posted. They had their headline and then gave too many real facts on how they got there. Now it has been changed. Apparently, they do think we are idiots. News is starting to look like nothing but propagandists.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I found the original article open on my desktop. The original started like this...


CAIRO – Al-Qaida on Friday confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden and warned of retaliation, saying Americans' "happiness will turn to sadness."

The confirmation came in an Internet statement posted on militant websites, signed by "the general leadership" of al-Qaida. The announcement opens the way for the group to name a successor to bin Laden. His deputy Ayman al-Zawahri is now the most prominent figure in the group and is a very likely contender to take his place.

The statement, dated May 3, was the first by the terror network since bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos in a raid on his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The statement's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but it was posted on websites where the group traditionally puts out its messages.

"The blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is too precious to us and to all Muslims to go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."

"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness," it said, "their blood will be mingled with their tears."

There was no indication how the group will retaliate. Rather than making vehement cries of vengeance, the statement — entitled "You lived as a good man, you died as a martyr" — struck a tone of calmness and continuation. Though it included praise of bin Laden, much of the 11-paragraph statement was dedicated to underlining that al-Qaida would live on, depicting him as just another in a line of "martyrs" from the group.