Does any one know the make of this helicopter in the OBL operation?

[awake]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/4727178.bin?size=620x400

[ctb619]

defensetech.org has a number of posts speculating on this

[awake]

That rotor hub is very unusual. Stealth design.

[ghengis86]

RAH-66? Pave Low?

[pcosmar]

More questions,,,

It would seem this smooth operation was not as smooth as previously reported.

Apparently there is a heretofore secret aircraft down in someones back yard.

[Ranger29860]

That rotor hub is very unusual. Stealth design.

Yeah the whole thing is a hell of a lot smoother than any helo i have seen. The whole thing must look awesome :)

[awake]

I am getting this ----> a "black project" special ops stealth H-60 variant. Supposedly both the RCS and audible sound have been greatly reduced.

The secret black helicopters that have no sound exist. That is why they destroyed it, "it does not exist".

There are no pictures of this helicopter.

[awake]

http://tinyurl.com/3by3nkt

[awake]

This is a helicopter that is "black", 'it was never there' and these are the first pics of it. They are quiet helicopters.

[pcosmar]

This is a helicopter that is "black", 'it was never there' and these are the first pics of it. They are quiet helicopters.

Someone should be on soon to explain the "Black Helicopters" don't exist and are just tin foil hat imaginations.

[trey4sports]

The just said it was a modified blackhawk on Fox News

[libertyjam]

That is a stealth helicopter drone, much too small for a blackhawk

[pcosmar]

The just said it was a modified blackhawk on Fox News

Well there ya go.
"Fox News said"
That clears every thing up.
:rolleyes:

[ctb619]

That is a stealth helicopter drone, much too small for a blackhawk

What? The photo shows the remnants of the tail rotor. The rest was destroyed.

[pacelli]

I see nothing. Why are you taking pictures of the wall ? Really, its just pictures on a screen.

[MelissaWV]

The just said it was a modified blackhawk on Fox News

"Stealth Blackhawk" was the term used on some other stations. This was also why it was torched upon the soldiers leaving. They didn't do a very good job. Lots of parts are clearly identifiable, and children have been sifting through the wreckage picking up pieces of super secret material.

I wonder how much that helicopter, which still appears to have stalled and needed to be torched, cost us?

[ctb619]

I wonder how much the Chinese paid for the wreckage.

[ihsv]

Army Times article

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/05/army-mission-helocopter-was-secret-stealth-black-hawk-050411/

[pcosmar]

Army Times article

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/05/army-mission-helocopter-was-secret-stealth-black-hawk-050411/

Posted: Wednesday May 4, 2011 18:07:39 EDT

So these stories are all coming out as a response to the pix being posted online.

That is interesting in and of itself.
;)

Why didn't we hear of this SNAFU earlier?

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

They just showed that photo on Fox. That doesn't look like a Blackhawk or a Chinook. Another lie.

[ctb619]

They just showed that photo on Fox. That doesn't look like a Blackhawk or a Chinook. Another lie.

Who is saying that it is a Chinook? Most are saying that it is a modified UH-60.

[axiomata]

I wondered why it was such a priority to set charges on the downed heli. This explains it.

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

Who is saying that it is a Chinook? Most are saying that it is a modified UH-60.The initial reports about this raid said the team flew in with Blackhawk and Chinook helicopters.

[axiomata]

Well a UH-60 is a Black Hawk...

[ihsv]

Sooooo... they couldn't bring in a heavy-lift chopper and fly the crashed bird out of there? They had to torch it and leave it?

[pcosmar]

The initial reports about this raid said the team flew in with Blackhawk and Chinook helicopters.

I don't remember the "initial reports" mentioning crashing in the yard.
It was all about how "professional" it was. how they had observed it, photographed it, staked it out.
it was described as a flawless operation.

[MelissaWV]

I don't remember the "initial reports" mentioning crashing in the yard.
It was all about how "professional" it was. how they had observed it, photographed it, staked it out.
it was described as a flawless operation.

Nah, the initial reports did say the helicopter stalled and had to do a hard landing. Of course, they'd planned for that, and awesomeness ensued without a hitch!

Incidentally, I guess this state of the art thing really was very stealth... unless it fell like a brick. I'm sure it made some noise at that point.

[axiomata]

I don't remember the "initial reports" mentioning crashing in the yard.
It was all about how "professional" it was. how they had observed it, photographed it, staked it out.
it was described as a flawless operation.

They definitely mentioned it.

[pcosmar]

Nah, the initial reports did say the helicopter stalled and had to do a hard landing. Of course, they'd planned for that, and awesomeness ensued without a hitch!

Incidentally, I guess this state of the art thing really was very stealth... unless it fell like a brick. I'm sure it made some noise at that point.

First I heard of it was today.
And yeah. Crashing into a yard in the middle of town is hardly stealthy.

Apparently we have different definitions of "hard landing". But I suppose crashing is hard.

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

Well a UH-60 is a Black Hawk...That thing doesn't look like the conventional Blackhawks we're all familiar with. It appears to be some advanced technology that they're obviously trying to keep secret.

My point is, everything about this operation is a deception, and they expect us to just take their word for it. If we even raise questions we're "conspiracy theorists". :rolleyes:

[Koz]

I wonder how much the Chinese paid for the wreckage.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[awake]

There are pictures of virtually all military aircraft in the U.S. arsenal except this one. Secret , silent, black helicopters - freaking outstanding.

[ihsv]

The crash could have been something like this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDUQkwm0wXE

[anaconda]

That rotor hub is very unusual. Stealth design.

Looks like a Vitamix.

[Ranger29860]

I wondered why it was such a priority to set charges on the downed heli. This explains it.

The military will burn anything that is not immediately recoverable. There are very good reasons for it and its the norm in any situation.

[jmdrake]

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/ZED/NightHunter/_01.jpg

[MelissaWV]

First I heard of it was today.
And yeah. Crashing into a yard in the middle of town is hardly stealthy.

Apparently we have different definitions of "hard landing". But I suppose crashing is hard.

I know the diff ;) I'm merely telling you what the initial reports I heard had said. They stated the helicopter had stalled and had to make a hard landing (as opposed to crashing into something, striking at an angle, etc.).

[jmdrake]

That is a stealth helicopter drone, much too small for a blackhawk

My thoughts exactly. It looks too small to carry a single passenger, much less a team.

[ctb619]

My thoughts exactly. It looks too small to carry a single passenger, much less a team.

Again, the photo shows the tail rotor, not the main rotor. The size is consistent with a modified UH-60.

[Anti Federalist]

Someone should be on soon to explain the "Black Helicopters" don't exist and are just tin foil hat imaginations.

Super Silent Black Helicopters in "stealth mode" that don't exist.

Can't give that post enough rep.

[pcosmar]

I know the diff ;) I'm merely telling you what the initial reports I heard had said. They stated the helicopter had stalled and had to make a hard landing (as opposed to crashing into something, striking at an angle, etc.).

Yeah,well.
I had only heard how smooth and professional it was, but i don't have TV and didn't watch a bunch of it.
A hard landing (to me) is when I spill my drink, or maybe jar my teeth.

Crashing is when things break and need fixin'. Crash and burn is rather FUBAR.

[libertyjam]

My thoughts exactly. It looks too small to carry a single passenger, much less a team.

It looks like it is just the tail rotor with associated elevators compared to the pic in a prior post.

[ihsv]

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/ZED/NightHunter/_01.jpg

Russian Black Shark (Ka-50 "Hokum")

[1000-points-of-fright]

Yeah,well.
I had only heard how smooth and professional it was, but i don't have TV and didn't watch a bunch of it.
A hard landing (to me) is when I spill my drink, or maybe jar my teeth.

Crashing is when things break and need fixin'. Crash and burn is rather FUBAR.

I suppose it would have just been a hard landing if that wall hadn't been there to snap off the tail rotor.

[klamath]

Stealth modified MH-60. There is a reason they were able to get into Pakistan without lighting up the radars. The elite units get the most advances stuff but the Radar shielding probably added to much weight and they ran out of power attempting to transition into a OGE hover at that altitude. Absolutely standard procedure to destroy any wreaked aircraft if they can't recover it. They sure as hell couldn't recover this one.

And OMG run for your lives, a black helicopter!!!! Having been called a black helicopter on a routine search and rescue mission I just have to laugh.

[jmdrake]

Another view of the chopper.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/4/1304535574011/U.S.-special-forces-assau-001.jpg

It's clearly a drone. And here's the one that was blown up.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/4/1304535578285/U.S.-special-forces-assau-005.jpg

There's not enough of that one to identify.

[jmdrake]

On second thought, maybe that's just a tail section.

http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/8065b635-752f-4a63-ae97-84beaff28a19.Full.jpeg

[Anti Federalist]

And OMG run for your lives, a black helicopter!!!! Having been called a black helicopter on a routine search and rescue mission I just have to laugh.

So you are confirming the "black helicopter" stories?

Government has been using military helicopters for SAR/surveillance/training across the US.

[Anti Federalist]

On second thought, maybe that's just a tail section.

http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/8065b635-752f-4a63-ae97-84beaff28a19.Full.jpeg

It is, that's just the tail rotor section.

[pcosmar]

It is, that's just the tail rotor section.

Yes, one of heretofore unknown design. Speculated and artist rendition only.

[Dr.3D]

I suppose it would have just been a hard landing if that wall hadn't been there to snap off the tail rotor.

That's just what I've been thinking. I would guess the tail was on the other side of the wall and they didn't notice it was missing when they destroyed the rest of it.

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, one of heretofore unknown design. Speculated and artist rendition only.

It doesn't look too radical in design.

What I see there are two aerodynamic "plates" that are covering the tail rotor hub, most likely to reduce noise from center part of the hub, which contributes a great deal to the noise because of broken airflow over the hub center.

I'm understanding that this was an unknown "classified" stealth version of a UH60.

Is that correct?

[pcosmar]

I'm understanding that this was an unknown "classified" stealth version of a UH60.

Is that correct?

That's the impression I'm getting.

I mentioned that dream I had,, and not hearing the Chopper.
I have very good hearing.

[Anti Federalist]

That's the impression I'm getting.

I mentioned that dream I had,, and not hearing the Chopper.

I have very good hearing.

That you did Pete, that you did...

[klamath]

So you are confirming the "black helicopter" stories?

Government has been using military helicopters for SAR/surveillance/training across the US.


All the time. National guard units first then federal units. There used to be what was called a MAST (military Assistence to safety and transportation) mission where RA medevac units did all air medevac for areas that did not have a civilian medevac units.

When a SAR manager requests a particular piece of equipment for a rescue or search it goes up the chain of command to the AFRCC and it is possibe to get resources you would never believe.

[Anti Federalist]

All the time. National guard units first then federal units. There used to be what was called a MAST (military Assistence to safety and transportation) mission where RA medevac units did all air medevac for areas that did not have a civilian medevac units.

When a SAR manager requests a particular piece of equipment for a rescue or search it goes up the chain of command to the AFRCC and it is possibe to get resources you would never believe.

Or when it is declared a "drug op", like at Waco.

My point is that people are not "nuts" for reporting military "black helicopters" involved in regular, long standing, operations in US airspace.

[Pericles]

Sooooo... they couldn't bring in a heavy-lift chopper and fly the crashed bird out of there? They had to torch it and leave it?

The Chinooks would have been loaded with all of the people and stuff going away. Not enough lift capacity immediately available to pull the wreck out, too. BTW, Pakistan and AFG are relatively high altitude countries, so helos have problems with the thinner air, and extra weight on them for SF use, adds to the problem.

Every Blackhawk ride I went on in Europe was scary enough - no way would I want to ride in one in AFG.

[Brian4Liberty]

Stealth modified MH-60. There is a reason they were able to get into Pakistan without lighting up the radars. The elite units get the most advances stuff but the Radar shielding probably added to much weight and they ran out of power attempting to transition into a OGE hover at that altitude. Absolutely standard procedure to destroy any wreaked aircraft if they can't recover it. They sure as hell couldn't recover this one.

And OMG run for your lives, a black helicopter!!!! Having been called a black helicopter on a routine search and rescue mission I just have to laugh.


It doesn't look too radical in design.

What I see there are two aerodynamic "plates" that are covering the tail rotor hub, most likely to reduce noise from center part of the hub, which contributes a great deal to the noise because of broken airflow over the hub center.

I'm understanding that this was an unknown "classified" stealth version of a UH60.

Is that correct?

Sounds about right. Added material to control noise, heat and reduce radar reflection.

Initial reports did say that "radar evading" technology was used.

As a taxpayer, I want to know why all of the expensive toys we are forced to pay for are so unreliable. Seems they can't do any missions without at least one aircraft having a malfunction. Didn't we lose an F-15 or something in Libya in the first couple of days of the attack on Libya? And of course we had Jimmy Carter's infamous rescue attempt of the Iranian hostages where they lost multiple helicopters due to malfunctions.

[Pericles]

In this case, the other variable is night vision gear - you lose much of your depth perception with it, especially as actual distance between you and an object increase.

The military has strict safety standards on max weight loads and such that the SF guys ignore, and that increases risk. Assuming they were doing the mock up at Hulbert Field, the aircraft properties will be a bit different in Pakistan than they are in Florida.

[Anti Federalist]

Do we really want to live in a country where when someone busts into your house at night you're supposed to assume they might be cops?

Totally off topic, but I had been meaning to +1776 you on that sig line for a while now.

Carry on.

[puppetmaster]

the administration tells us pakistan is our friend, so why did we have to leave so quickly? many of the news sources are saying china is our enemy and they want this peice of the helicopter.....funny, I thought china is our friendly banker? Looks like our gov is setting up ww3.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[ihsv]

Via Drudge

REPORT: Top Secret Stealth Helicopter Program Exposed in Raid... (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/top-secret-stealth-helicopter-program-revealed-osama-bin/story?id=13530693)

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[Anti Federalist]

http://i52.tinypic.com/315j05v.gif

+rep

[jmdrake]

Via Drudge

REPORT: Top Secret Stealth Helicopter Program Exposed in Raid... (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/top-secret-stealth-helicopter-program-revealed-osama-bin/story?id=13530693)

From the video "...residents in the neighborhood say that right before the choppers went in all electricity and cell phone service went out and came immediately back on after the choppers left..."

Some new EMP weapon?

[teacherone]

From the video "...residents in the neighborhood say that right before the choppers went in all electricity and cell phone service went out and came immediately back on after the choppers left..."

Some new EMP weapon?

whoa...that's our taxpayer dollars right there folks.

USA! Hoooah!

[Ranger29860]

From the video "...residents in the neighborhood say that right before the choppers went in all electricity and cell phone service went out and came immediately back on after the choppers left..."

Some new EMP weapon?

Thats old tech with details all over the web on it. It has nothing to do with EMP's

[klamath]

Or when it is declared a "drug op", like at Waco.

My point is that people are not "nuts" for reporting military "black helicopters" involved in regular, long standing, operations in US airspace.
They are only nuts for thinking it is unusual and a thinking every black helicopter out there is out to get them and it is a special one world government army.

[ihsv]

From the video "...residents in the neighborhood say that right before the choppers went in all electricity and cell phone service went out and came immediately back on after the choppers left..."

Some new EMP weapon?

Prolly just some kind of jamming device.

[klamath]

The Chinooks would have been loaded with all of the people and stuff going away. Not enough lift capacity immediately available to pull the wreck out, too. BTW, Pakistan and AFG are relatively high altitude countries, so helos have problems with the thinner air, and extra weight on them for SF use, adds to the problem.

Every Blackhawk ride I went on in Europe was scary enough - no way would I want to ride in one in AFG.

Did we scare you that bad:D You had the sense to know that your life was in danger, We always laughed over the intercom system as the PAXs were hooping and hollering having a good old time when they thought they were getting the A ride when in reality they had almost all died.

[bill1971]

Running with the theme of not trusting the govt or the media, how do we know it wasnt planted by the govt to look like we really killed OBL? Or how do we know those shots of the helicopter werent staged?

No I dont really believe that. Just throwing speculations out there. :) I love the anti-big govt stance on this board, I also appreciate how the people on this forum are not biased for one party or another. It is refreshing and consistant.

[Brian4Liberty]

From the video "...residents in the neighborhood say that right before the choppers went in all electricity and cell phone service went out and came immediately back on after the choppers left..."

Some new EMP weapon?

That story would conflict with the guy that lived in the neighborhood who was tweeting about the helicopters while they were there...hard to do if power and cell service is down.

[Anti Federalist]

They are only nuts for thinking it is unusual and a thinking every black helicopter out there is out to get them and it is a special one world government army.

Why is that nuts?

We are here discussing an operation of the de facto "One World Army".

[Brian4Liberty]

Did we scare you that bad:D You had the sense to know that your life was in danger, We always laughed over the intercom system as the PAXs were hooping and hollering having a good old time when they thought they were getting the A ride when in reality they had almost all died.

So do you think that the US Helicopters are as reliable as they could/should be? Seems like they have too many failures in critical situations. Hopefully they are more reliable than the Windows operating system... ;)

[pcosmar]

So do you think that the US Helicopters are as reliable as they could/should be? Seems like they have too many failures in critical situations. Hopefully they are more reliable than the Windows operating system... ;)

http://jacob.twodesk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/clippy-crash.png

[klamath]

So do you think that the US Helicopters are as reliable as they could/should be? Seems like they have too many failures in critical situations. Hopefully they are more reliable than the Windows operating system... ;)
Helicopters are 200,000 parts flying in loose formation and when some parts start flying in a different formation they fail.:D We will probably never know but I suspect this was pilot error. He asked to much of the helicopter while flying at the very edge of the flight envelope. It is quit possible the Crewchief was watching for incoming fire and didn't call the tail clear of the wall.

[klamath]

Why is that nuts?

We are here discussing an operation of the de facto "One World Army".
Nope it was commanded by our elected CIC. If it was one world the Pakistani's would have had their place in the mission as they are part of the world.

[Dr.3D]

Nope it was commanded by our elected CIC. If it was one world the Pakistani's would have had their place in the mission as they are part of the world.

They just haven't been assimilated yet. What do you think these 'wars' are all about? I'm pretty sure, right about now, the U.S. believes them (Pakistan) to be a useful tool.

[AFPVet]

Someone should be on soon to explain the "Black Helicopters" don't exist and are just tin foil hat imaginations.

Dale always told Bill and Boomhower that those black helicopters existed... UN helicopters ;)

[Brian4Liberty]

It is quit possible the Crewchief was watching for incoming fire and didn't call the tail clear of the wall.

That was my first thought at the picture with the tail section on the wrong side of the wall...

[Pericles]

Did we scare you that bad:D You had the sense to know that your life was in danger, We always laughed over the intercom system as the PAXs were hooping and hollering having a good old time when they thought they were getting the A ride when in reality they had almost all died.

There was one case where one of the pilots lost his lunch - which I took as a warning sign, in addition to the fact that we were flying more up, down, sideways, and backwards than forward.

When a UH-1 took off, there was much more of a feeling of power running through the airframe.

In a Chinook, I'm thinking - this is a big slow moving target.

Everybody in the military rationalizes their choices. The infantry guys think they can hide in a hole in the ground, the armor guys figure if the vehicle breaks, I've got some armor protection, or I can get out and walk, and then hide in a hole in the ground, if I have too. I don't know what rotor heads were thinking .......

[AFPVet]

I don't know what rotor heads were thinking .......

The same as the airmen in planes... "if this thing goes down, I'm screwed".

[pcosmar]

That was my first thought at the picture with the tail section on the wrong side of the wall...

Which side was the wrong side?

Seems to me they were in the wrong country to start with.

[Pericles]

The same as the airmen in planes... "if this thing goes down, I'm screwed".

Everything is a tredeoff, you get to eat on plates and sleep in a cot or bed, based on the assumption that you are going to make it back to base.

[jmdrake]

Thats old tech with details all over the web on it. It has nothing to do with EMP's

Ok. Could you clue me in as to what it is?


Prolly just some kind of jamming device.

Except that jamming devices usually jam wireless communications. This also jammed wired electricity. :confused:

[klamath]

They just haven't been assimilated yet. What do you think these 'wars' are all about? I'm pretty sure, right about now, the U.S. believes them (Pakistan) to be a useful tool.

I have no illusions that a group of people want a one world government. Neocon and interventionist progressives are exactly that. From the begining of time certain leaders have invisioned themselves to know what was best for the whole world. Far too many of them believe the end justifies the means. ie "The war to end all wars,etc."

[jmdrake]

Thats old tech with details all over the web on it. It has nothing to do with EMP's


That story would conflict with the guy that lived in the neighborhood who was tweeting about the helicopters while they were there...hard to do if power and cell service is down.

Hmmm..... http://www.kvia.com/osama-bin-laden/27753257/detail.html

Maybe this tweeter was out of jamming range? Regardless this could be a super low tech version of celldar. :p

(Real celldar : http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/oct/13/humanrights.mobilephones
http://www.seminarprojects.com/Thread-celldar?pid=20453#pid20453)

[klamath]

There was one case where one of the pilots lost his lunch - which I took as a warning sign, in addition to the fact that we were flying more up, down, sideways, and backwards than forward.

When a UH-1 took off, there was much more of a feeling of power running through the airframe.

In a Chinook, I'm thinking - this is a big slow moving target.



Everybody in the military rationalizes their choices. The infantry guys think they can hide in a hole in the ground, the armor guys figure if the vehicle breaks, I've got some armor protection, or I can get out and walk, and then hide in a hole in the ground, if I have too. I don't know what rotor heads were thinking .......
You don't think about it too much. You don't want to think about how many components are absolutely critical to your life. You console yourself with the thought, "at least I don't have to sleep in a hole in the ground tonight":D

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[Ranger29860]

Except that jamming devices usually jam wireless communications. This also jammed wired electricity. :confused:

It is not a big leap from sound to electricity when it comes to scrambling it. Or they could of had a team ahead of time cut power until the raid was over :). which is probably what happened. Also Brian if you read on the phone jammers website distance is a factor.

[jmdrake]

It is not a big leap from sound to electricity when it comes to scrambling it.

Sound has nothing to do with it. It's a big jump from jamming wireless communications (very easy) to jamming wired.



Or they could of had a team ahead of time cut power until the raid was over :). which is probably what happened. Also Brian if you read on the phone jammers website distance is a factor.

Possible. But it would be easier to take out a transformer and leave it for the Pakistanis to fix.

[Brian4Liberty]

Also Brian if you read on the phone jammers website distance is a factor.

Of course. The tweeter was 2500 meters away.


The site of the operation is about 2.5 kilometers from my home, which means there are at least a few dozen houses between my home and that place.
I do not live 250m away from the site, 2.5km is 2500m.

http://www.reallyvirtual.com/faq/

[Ranger29860]

Sound has nothing to do with it. It's a big jump from jamming wireless communications (very easy) to jamming wired.



Possible. But it would be easier to take out a transformer and leave it for the Pakistanis to fix.

i miss typed in the sound part just woke up from my pre debate nap :P

[pcosmar]

So it does still not explain how EMP hardened equipment and a secured satellite up-link was taken out.
Or by who?
Or have they tried to explain that?

There is more bullshit in this story than I have heard sitting at a Sports Bar.

[Pericles]

"at least i don't have to sleep in a hole in the ground tonight":d

= REMF a. k. a. FOBBIT

[klamath]

= REMF a. k. a. FOBBIT

Oh. Fighting words. If I was still in I would invite you on a nighttime air assualt mission into brownout conditions, 15 other aircraft in close formation, taking ground fire. If you were scared of just a routine flight. Or you can ask my son that was marine infantry spear pointing the assualt on Falusha Iraq in house to house fighting. His company lost one man in two months yet a month later 33 people died from his company in a routine helo transfer. Naw a Fobbit or REMF never see danger.

[Pericles]

Oh. Fighting words. If I was still in I would invite you on a nighttime air assualt mission into brownout conditions, 15 other aircraft in close formation, taking ground fire. If you were scared of just a routine flight. Or you can ask my son that was marine infantry spear pointing the assualt on Falusha Iraq in house to house fighting. His company lost one man in two months yet a month later 33 people died from his company in a routine helo transfer. Naw a Fobbit or REMF never see danger.

Its the fact that you guys get to eat food on trays, sleep on cots, and get showers more than once a month that we couldn't stand.

[klamath]

Its the fact that you guys get to eat food on trays, sleep on cots, and get showers more than once a month that we couldn't stand.
This is true but the use of REMF or Fobbit is wrong as they never see the front lines. Yes I can say that talking to real Fobbits talking about their hardships made me laugh. I always appreciated that my living conditions were never like you combat arms guys and told them they better appreciate what they had.

[Ranger29860]

This is true but the use of REMF or Fobbit is wrong as they never see the front lines. Yes I can say that talking to real Fobbits talking about their hardships made me laugh. I always appreciated that my living conditions were never like you combat arms guys and told them they better appreciate what they had.

Lets not fight with each other but be united in our hatred towards FOBBITS and there evil ways! :P

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

You sure it wasn't Ben Bernanke's overseas FRN dumping Helo? He's just trying to help out those Pakistani's that we are always killing.

[klamath]

lets not fight with each other but be united in our hatred towards fobbits and there evil ways! :p:d:d:d

[Dr.3D]

Now what would a Fobbit do with a travel mug?
http://www.zazzle.com/fobbit_travel_mug-168437595176583498

[Ranger29860]

Now what would a Fobbit do with a travel mug?
http://www.zazzle.com/fobbit_travel_mug-168437595176583498

Wait there was coffee in iraq? Damn fobbits drank it all before i could get to it!!!

[Pericles]

Lets not fight with each other but be united in our hatred towards FOBBITS and there evil ways! :P

FOBBIT trap

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt317/Pericles-photo/ManTrap.jpg

[klamath]

Fobbit story. My son spent two months petroling house to house in Falusha, got wounded in the face from a granade and finially got a twentyfour hour pass to a FOB. He was so wired that he hit the deck in the checkout line at the PX when a morter round landed on the FOB. A female Fobbit soldier in line sneeringly called him a newby. He kind of came unglued so to speak.