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Agorism
05-02-2011, 07:40 AM
Somehow it seemed doubtful from the start that dumping people into the ocean was part of Islamic burial.

http://www.seaservices.com/Muslim.htm


The Muslim Faith, Burial at Sea and Cremation

It must be understood that while this information was furnished by reliable sources, there are many different opinions between those of Muslim faith, and any Muslim contemplating cremation or burial at sea should seek proper council .
Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. * It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

625. * The expenses of lowering the dead body into the sea, or making the grave solid on the ground can be deducted from the estate of the deceased, if necessary.

626. * If a non-Muslim woman dies with a dead child, or soulless foetus in her womb, and if the father is a Muslim then the woman should be laid in the grave on her left side with her back towards Qibla, so that the face of the child is towards Qibla.

627. It is not permitted to bury a Muslim in the graveyard of the non-Muslims, nor to bury a non-Muslim in the graveyard of the Muslims.

628. It is also not permissible to bury the dead body of a Muslim at a place which is disrespectful, like places where garbage is thrown.

629. It is not permissible to bury a dead body in a usurped place nor in a place which is dedicated for purposes other than burial (e.g. in a Masjid).

630. * It is not permissible to dig up a grave for the purpose of burying another dead body in it, unless one is sure that the grave is very old and the former body has been totally disintegrated.

631. * Anything which is separated from the dead body (even its hair, nail or tooth) should be buried along with it. And if any part of the body, including hair, nails or teeth are found after the body has been buried, they should be buried at a separate place, as per obligatory precaution. And it is Mustahab that nails and teeth cut off or extracted during lifetime are also buried.

632. If a person dies in a well and it is not possible to take him out, the well should be sealed, and the well should be treated as his grave.

633. If a child dies in its mother's womb and its remaining in the womb is dangerous for the mother, it should be brought out in the easiest possible way. If it becomes inevitable to cut it into pieces there is no objection in doing so. It is, however, better that if the husband of the woman is skilled in surgery the dead body of the child should be taken out by him, and failing that, the job should be performed by a skilled woman. And if that is not available, a skilled surgeon who is the mahram (one with whom marriage cannot be contracted) of the woman should do it. And if even that is not available a skilled man who is not mahram (one with whom marriage can be contracted) should remove the dead child. And if even such a person is not available the dead body can be brought out by any unskilled person.

634. If a woman dies and there is a living child in her womb, it should be brought out in the safest possible way, even if there be no hope for the child's survival. The body of the mother should then be sewn up.

sirgonzo420
05-02-2011, 07:52 AM
eh....


it just has to sound good*


*I use the phrase "sound good" loosely here.

virgil47
05-02-2011, 09:00 AM
Somehow it seemed doubtful from the start that dumping people into the ocean was part of Islamic burial.

http://www.seaservices.com/Muslim.htm

Heavy weight tied to feet and off he goes.

MN Patriot
05-02-2011, 09:03 AM
Heavy weight tied to feet and off he goes.

From a helicopter? Or did the helicopter land on a nearby US warship to lower it into the water? The government needs to keep coming up with more details to this story of theirs.

Or did they NOT bury him at sea and are keeping the body somewhere?

S.Shorland
05-02-2011, 09:36 AM
What is the problem with 'an enemy' digging up the body and amputating ears,nose or other limbs? Will the muslim be thusly impaired in paradise? and if so,how firmly do they believe it?

virgil47
05-02-2011, 06:55 PM
From a helicopter? Or did the helicopter land on a nearby US warship to lower it into the water? The government needs to keep coming up with more details to this story of theirs.

Or did they NOT bury him at sea and are keeping the body somewhere?

No they fired him up into the air aboard an Atlas rocket then dropped him into the water. Get serious.

FrankRep
05-02-2011, 06:59 PM
Islamic Scholars: OBL‘s Burial At Sea ’Humiliates Muslims,’ Violates Islamic Law (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/islamic-scholars-obls-burial-at-sea-humiliates-muslims-violates-islamic-law/)

The Blaze
May 2, 2011


The Obama administration, through counter-terrorism chief John Brennan, took great pains to explain to reporters today that Osama bin Laden was buried at sea in “strict conformance with Islamic precepts and practices.”
...

But Muslim clerics said Monday that Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea was a violation of Islamic tradition that may further provoke militant calls for revenge attacks against American targets.
...

RyanRSheets
05-02-2011, 07:02 PM
From a helicopter? Or did the helicopter land on a nearby US warship to lower it into the water? The government needs to keep coming up with more details to this story of theirs.

Or did they NOT bury him at sea and are keeping the body somewhere?

Or is there a body?

jmdrake
05-02-2011, 07:03 PM
Heavy weight tied to feet and off he goes.

That's only allowed if the person dies on ship and if you can't keep the body from decaying.

If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land.

virgil47
05-02-2011, 07:08 PM
Islamic Scholars: OBL‘s Burial At Sea ’Humiliates Muslims,’ Violates Islamic Law (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/islamic-scholars-obls-burial-at-sea-humiliates-muslims-violates-islamic-law/)

The Blaze
May 2, 2011


The Obama administration, through counter-terrorism chief John Brennan, took great pains to explain to reporters today that Osama bin Laden was buried at sea in “strict conformance with Islamic precepts and practices.”
...

But Muslim clerics said Monday that Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea was a violation of Islamic tradition that may further provoke militant calls for revenge attacks against American targets.
...


I've been listening for this huge outburst of anger but all I've heard so far is silence.

smartguy911
05-02-2011, 07:19 PM
Islamic Scholars: OBL‘s Burial At Sea ’Humiliates Muslims,’ Violates Islamic Law (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/islamic-scholars-obls-burial-at-sea-humiliates-muslims-violates-islamic-law/)

The Blaze
May 2, 2011


The Obama administration, through counter-terrorism chief John Brennan, took great pains to explain to reporters today that Osama bin Laden was buried at sea in “strict conformance with Islamic precepts and practices.”
...

But Muslim clerics said Monday that Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea was a violation of Islamic tradition that may further provoke militant calls for revenge attacks against American targets.
...


Just great

fisharmor
05-02-2011, 07:53 PM
That's only allowed if the person dies on ship and if you can't keep the body from decaying.

If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

I figure that digging him up is a distinct possibility. I'm satisfied with the idea of buring him at sea.
I'm not satisfied that it was him.
I'm also not satisfied that it cost 4.5 trillion dollars to kill two 60-year-old men.

Todd
05-02-2011, 07:55 PM
I have spoken with several Muslim's today who are in a course I am taking. They all say there is no Muslim law of burial at sea. They all call B.S.

virgil47
05-02-2011, 08:26 PM
I have spoken with several Muslim's today who are in a course I am taking. They all say there is no Muslim law of burial at sea. They all call B.S.

What would you expect them to say?