Do you remember that whole North American Union conspiracy? It may not be...

[JP2010]

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2005/01/05OTTAWA268.html

[FrankRep]

The Council on Foreign Relations (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0882791346?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0882791346) openly talk about the "North American Union" idea.


http://www.jonesreport.com/images/061207_building_nau_comm.jpg (http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html)

Building a North American Community (http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/building_a_north_american_community.html)



Lou Dobbs exposes the North American Union


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3E4s4JTzsY&feature=related

[FrankRep]

http://www.jbs.org/images/stories/Article_Images/nauissuecover.jpg (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/tna/subscriptions/1-year-standard-subscription.html)


2011 - U.S. & Canada Agree to Common "Perimeter" (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/10626-us-canada-agree-to-common-perimeter)

The move toward a North American Union received another big boost last week as President Barack Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper gathered in Washington D.C. to hammer out a deal on creating a common “perimeter” around the two countries while diminishing the role of the nations’ shared border and developing a biometric system to track North Americans.

2011 - The Next Step Toward the North American Union (http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/5018-the-next-step-toward-the-north-american-union)

The USA and Canada have announced a deal to create an inclusive economic and security border that envelopes both nations. That is the next step in creating a North America Union.

2011 - Internationalists Renew Call for a North American Union (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/10635-internationalists-renew-call-for-a-north-american-union)

Internationalist neoconservatives are renewing calls for a North American Union, despite the concept's socialist roots. by Daniel Sayani

2011 - Faux (Neo) Conservatives Defend the North American Union (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/10636-faux-conservatives-defend-the-north-american-union)

Internationalist neoconservatives are renewing calls for a North American Union, despite the concept's socialist roots, revealing the true aims of the Establishment.

[dannno]

Edit: Don't buy it, it's available for free:

http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf

[FrankRep]

Hmm, $15.. Who wants to order it and make it available online?

Already online:
http://i.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf

[Anti Federalist]

Conspiracy?

Was there even any doubt?

How in the world could this even be called a "conspiracy".

The whole fucking thing is out in the open, has been for decades now.

[PatriotOne]

Conspiracy?

Was there even any doubt?

How in the world could this even be called a "conspiracy".

The whole fucking thing is out in the open, has been for decades now.

It was a tin foil hatted conspiracy for at least a year on this forum in the beginning. At least progress has been made in that area here....and one world government.

[Carson]

This isn't a matter of tin foil hats so much as tin foil blinders.


There is a thread on fark on this topic.

Wikileaked: A cable regarding the creation of a unified North American union with its own currency

Article (Same as Original Poster's):

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2005/01/05OTTAWA268.html

Fark comments:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6157089/Wikileaked-A-cable-regarding-creation-of-a-unified-North-American-union-with-its-own-currency&new=1#new

[Jandrsn21]

One of those conspiracy theorists, don't worry there is a pill for that. Troubling swallowing? Let me prescribe one hour of dancing with the stars followed up by another hour of American Idol! Rinse and repeat! Note to mod, this thread is dangerous and should be removed! :D

Also I wish we could get that report and a mention that Huckabee's supporters is Richard Haass, the president of the CFR. I'm sure that would go well with "conservatives." Then again they may not care, seeing how well Newt is polling, I'm starting to think people just enjoy being conned!

[sailingaway]

The documents on spp.gov used to be a lot more forthright as well, and the Canadian consul page described the Security and Prosperity Partnership saying it is a treaty to Canadians and to Mexico, but it is an executive agreement in the US because of the 'particular significance' of a treaty in US law....

It doesn't say treaties have to be ratified by the Senate, but of course they do.

Whatever. I am very careful of my terminology on this, because some nutso stuff has been mixed in so I use official words. Security and Prosperity Partnership -- not North American Union.

[Marenco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y30k3nkk54


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6BNvJkMfSU

[Carson]

The documents on spp.gov used to be a lot more forthright as well, and the Canadian consul page described the Security and Prosperity Partnership saying it is a treaty to Canadians and to Mexico, but it is an executive agreement in the US because of the 'particular significance' of a treaty in US law....

It doesn't say treaties have to be ratified by the Senate, but of course they do.

Whatever. I am very careful of my terminology on this, because some nutso stuff has been mixed in so I use official words. Security and Prosperity Partnership -- not North American Union.

You do realize they change the terminology of things to suit their goals. I think they have officially went by both until they were becoming derogatory terms, not because of the term itself but by what it represents.

They also have unlimited funds to attempt to paint the opposition the way that suits them in all forms of media. The thing they seem to lack is the ability to rise above the name calling.

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/followthemoney/Supersingle500X.jpg

P.S. Maybe we should have a rule that every time someone wants to change the name we use for something, their new idea should be put into a hat with all of the previous words that have been used, and we draw for the winner.

[AuH20]

I knew Gary Johnson was right and this NAU thing was all a figment of my active imagination. How could I be so gullible? (sarc)

[FrankRep]

This thread just got linked up to some news sources.

WikiLeaks Exposes North American Integration Plot
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/10646-wikileaks-exposes-north-american-integration-plot

Even Lew Rockwell.com has linked this thread.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl3/north-american-integration-plot.html

[vita3]

Always follow the facts & the money. Thanks for this thread

[R3volutionJedi]

I'd vote for Stan Jones.

[Zatch]

http://maxkeiser.com/2011/05/11/as-early-as-january-of-2005-high-ranking-officials-were-discussing-the-best-way-to-sell-the-idea-of-north-american-%E2%80%9Cintegration%E2%80%9D-to-the-public-and-policymakers/

[Southron]

How about let's repeal NAFTA and send this in reverse?

[HOLLYWOOD]

WIKILEAKS is a GEM.. here's the clown that wrote up that TELEX. He's not liked in Canada either

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cellucci

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Cellucci_paul.jpg/225px-Cellucci_paul.jpg


Argeo Paul Cellucci (born April 24, 1948) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) politician and diplomat who served as the 69th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Massachusetts) Governor of Massachusetts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Massachusetts) and US Ambassador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ambassador_to_Canada) to Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada).

Cellucci took a conservative approach to crime, and in 1998 he signed into law one of the toughest gun control measures in the United States. He supported Roe v. Wade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade) and abortion rights, which did not always make him popular with the Catholic Church

On 10 April 2001, Cellucci resigned to become U.S. Ambassador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Ambassador) to Canada, being appointed by President George W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush). This made him the second consecutive Massachusetts governor to resign in order to assume an ambassadorship: his predecessor William Weld resigned after being nominated to be Ambassador to Mexico by President Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton). (Weld was never confirmed by the United States Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate), however, and hence never served as Ambassador.)

U.S. Ambassador to Canada

On April 17, 2001, at the Citadel in Quebec City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City), Cellucci presented his credentials as the 20th United States Ambassador to Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ambassador_to_Canada) to Governor General (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada) Adrienne Clarkson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrienne_Clarkson).
His four-year tenure would be a historical and controversial period in the United States - Canadian relations. On September 14, 2001, three days after the terrorist attacks on United States soil, Ambassador Cellucci thanked Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) for its overwhelming support and sympathy, including the accepting and aiding of over 25,000 diverted air passengers, at a memorial in front of 100,000 people on Parliament Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_Hill) in Ottawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa). The months and years that followed the 9/11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11) terrorist attacks on the United States would see extraordinary cooperation between the United States and Canada on the Smart Border Agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Smart_Border_Agreement&action=edit&redlink=1), on their law enforcement and intelligence agencies to stop terrorist attacks in North America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America), and in Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan) in the war against the Taliban.
On March 25, 2003 at a speech to the Economic Club of Toronto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto), Cellucci faced controversy when he criticized Canadian opposition to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq). He argued that America was waging war for its own security, and that the United States would "never hesitate" to support Canada if it faced a security threat .[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cellucci#cite_note-0) This wording was considered especially unfortunate by some since the United States did in fact delay years before joining the British Empire in both World Wars I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) and II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) in Europe. The Globe and Mail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Globe_and_Mail) reported Cellucci's remarks under the front-page headline U.S. rebukes Canada[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cellucci#cite_note-1) and Canadian nationalist Mel Hurtig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Hurtig) called him "ill-mannered, obnoxious, [and] arrogant".[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cellucci#cite_note-2)
He also earned the ire of many Canadians for his repeated support for Canada joining the U.S. missile defence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_defense) program, and for urging Canada to increase defense spending. These statements, frequently perceived as implied trade threats, caused Cellucci to be sarcastically christened "the U.S. ambassador-turned-proconsul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proconsul)" by former Liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada) cabinet minister Lloyd Axworthy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Axworthy) in an opinion piece titled Say no to missile defence published on April 29, 2003 in The Globe and Mail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Globe_and_Mail). Canada has since declined to participate in the U.S. missile defence program.

Cellucci officially resigned his Ambassadorship on March 17, 2005. One indication of opinion in Canada of Cellucci's tenure was provided by CBC Television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBC_Television)'s resident satirist Rick Mercer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Mercer) who promoted on his program, Monday Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Mercer_Report), that week a fictitious Paul Cellucci Farewell Special entitled Don't Let the Door Hit You on the Ass.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Cellucci&action=edit&section=5)] Post-ambassadorship

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Paul_cellucci.JPG/220px-Paul_cellucci.JPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paul_cellucci.JPG) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.17/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paul_cellucci.JPG)
Paul at a 2008 campaign event for Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani)

Since leaving his position as Ambassador, Cellucci has penned a book called Unquiet Diplomacy, a memoir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoir) of his time as ambassador. In the book, he praises Canada as "a truly great nation", but also has some criticism for the governments of former Prime Ministers Jean Chrétien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Chr%C3%A9tien) and Paul Martin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Martin). While the frosty relations were due to the Canadian government's opposition to President Bush's policies, there has also been criticism of Chrétien for tolerating anti-American outbursts from his aide, while Martin attempted to paint his opponent as pro-American during the 2004 Canadian federal election.
On September 23, 2005, shortly after an interview where then-U.S. Ambassador to Canada David Wilkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wilkins) stirred controversy over comments he made on the case of Maher Arar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar), Cellucci gave an interview in which explained his position on the Arar case. While he was Ambassador, Cellucci had declined to participate into the inquiry into the Americans' "extraordinary rendition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition)" of Arar to Syria and the possible role of Canadian officials in the rendition, being consistent with the Bush administration's position that nothing improper had been done. Cellucci's comments in the 2005 interview were seen as a rebuke to Wilkins. Cellucci acknowledged, "Part of the unfairness was that we took a Canadian citizen, shipped him to a third country without consulting with Canada," apparently exonerating Canadian officials. Cellucci did point out that as a result of the Canadian Government's protest about Arar, the United States and Canada exchanged letters, in which each undertook to notify the other country if either government was going to remove, involuntarily, a National of the other country to a third country. While each country retains all rights to do what is in its security interests, Cellucci believes that as a practical matter, this makes it highly unlikely that anything like the Arar situation will happen again.

The same interview revealed that Cellucci, as a private citizen, also had second thoughts about the stance he had taken as Ambassador on the Invasion of Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iraq). During the lead-up to the Invasion of Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iraq), Cellucci had put pressure on Canada to join in the invasion, based on the American and UK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) assertions that Saddam's administration possessed a dangerous arsenal of Weapons of Mass Destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_Mass_Destruction).

But in 2005 Cellucci acknowledged: "We’re not always right, and on that particular one it looks like we weren’t right, although we know at some point in the past he did have these weapons."
Cellucci has said that after thirty-five years in public service he has no intentions of seeking further office. While he has no interest in serving as Vice President, he did not exclusively rule it out. He supported John McCain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain)'s candidacy for president in 2008
TELEX clip: ************************************************** **************************************************
(SBU) There is little basis on which to estimate the size of the "upside" gains from an integration initiative concentrating on non-tariff barriers of the kind contained in NAI. For this reason, we cannot make claims about how large the benefits might be on a national or continental scale.

When advocating NAI, it would be better to highlight specific gains to individual firms, industries or travelers, and especially consumers.

[nemt4paul]

I'd vote for Stan Jones.

I VOTED for Stan Jones!

[Captain Shays]

Conspiracy?

Was there even any doubt?

How in the world could this even be called a "conspiracy".

The whole fucking thing is out in the open, has been for decades now.

I think the real question is when was this ever a theory?

[timosman]

Nostalgia bump.
Heidi Cruz authored document.
http://www.spp.gov/ gone (?)

[Zippyjuan]

http://blogcritics.org/anatomy-of-a-smear-heidi-cruz/

Here is the entire part of the text she wrote in the paper- one paragraph in the Appendix:


“We must emphasize the imperative that economic investment be led and perpetuated by the private sector. There is no force proven like the market for aligning incentives, sourcing capital, and producing results like financial markets and profit-making businesses. This is simply necessary to sustain a higher living standard for the poorest among us — truly the measure of our success. As such, investment funds and financing mechanisms should be deemed attractive instruments by those committing the capital and should only be developed in conjunction with market participants.”

Does that sound like promoting a North American Union? Or free market?

[Valli6]

Nostalgia bump.
Heidi Cruz authored document.
http://www.spp.gov/ gone (?)
Is this what you're talking about? Heidi Cruz was a co-author.

Council on Foreign Relations - Task Force Report
Building a North American Community
http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-north-american-community/p8102

You have to go to the CFR's Canadian website to find it now.
You can download your own copy.

[timosman]

Is this what you're talking about? Heidi Cruz was a co-author.
Council on Foreign Relations - Task Force Report
Building a North American Community
http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-north-american-community/p8102
You have to go to the CFR's Canadian website to find it now.
You can download your own copy.

I was referring to the fact www.spp.gov no longer exists. The link to Heidi's document from post #2 still works.