RE: Trump - "Those are characteristics of a tyrant, not characteristics of a president,”

[Anti Federalist]

Or, why I no longer am in favor of Capital Punishment, Part XXXVII


When Donald Trump Didn’t Need Proof

When Donald Trump Didn’t Need Proof
Friday, April 29th, 2011

http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/29/when-donald-trump-didnt-need-proof/

In 1989 Donald Trump took out a full page ad in four New York City newspapers calling for the execution of the alleged rapists in the infamous Central Park Jogger case. Never mind that the five alleged assailants were all minors, or that rape wasn’t a capital crime. There was a moral panic to be stoked.


http://reason.com/assets/mc/rbalko/2011_04/TrumpAd.jpg

And stoked it was. New York’s media parted with their tradition of not publishing the names of minors accused of crimes. The case gave us the term “wilding”, described at the time as the name violent youth gangs gave their sprees of crime and terror, but which was most likely the result of an NYPD detective who misunderstood the lyrics to a Tone Lōc song. The case made national headlines, and fueled the growing myth of the super-predator, in which the law-and-order crowd terrified white suburbia with tales of a rising class of young, black uber-criminals. The explosion in violent juvenile crime predicted by the likes of William Bennett and John DiIulio, Jr. never happened.

If Trump had his way, all of the Central Park Five would have been dead by 2002. That’s the year Matias Reyes, already in prison for rape and murder, confessed to the crime, and insisted he acted alone. DNA tests had already confirmed that only one person raped victim Trisha Meili. Further testing showed Reyes was that person. Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morganthou later vacated the convictions of the other five suspects, all of whom had already served their sentences for the attack.

Now, one of the wrongly convicted, Raymond Santana, wants Trump the presidential candidate to apologize. From NY1:

Santana was 14 years old at the time. He says Trump’s call for the “death penalty” helped fuel the media firestorm before the suspects even went to trial.

“It says a lot about his character. If he can give the death penalty to 14-year-old, 15-year-old kids then there’s nothing he would not do. Those are characteristics of a tyrant, not characteristics of a president,” Santana said.

Santana served seven years in prison in connection with the rape and beating of Trisha Meili.

All five of the accused have sued the city. That lawsuit is still pending.

[South Park Fan]

Even ignoring the ethical and economic issues of the death penalty itself, using it in any instance other than murder is stupid. If rapists know that they could get fried if they get caught, that only raises the incentive to kill their victims.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Even ignoring the ethical and economic issues of the death penalty itself, using it in any instance other than murder is stupid. If rapists know that they could get fried if they get caught, that only raises the incentive to kill their victims.

or they can just not rape people?

[South Park Fan]

or they can just not rape people?

The kind of person who rapes someone mostly likely hasn't devised a methodoligical plan for so beforehand, and if they did, they would tend to be the kind of person who thinks they can get away with it. To apply this to a different example, if shoplifting became a capital offense, do you not agree that there would an increase in homocides committed during store robberies?

[dannno]

or they can just not rape people?

or we could legalize prostitution?

[Anti Federalist]

or we could legalize prostitution?

Hasn't this already come up once before.

I seem to recall something about OK looking to ban all sorts of porn as well.

And hadn't you and I both posted the stats showing the increase in porn and decrease in rape?

They'll never learn.

[Anti Federalist]

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[daviddee]

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[Anti Federalist]

Anyone have the text or a full size image of the newspaper ad?

I see a few articles on it with the same thumbnail image of the ad. Without being about to read the text it is difficult to make an assessment of what it says.

Tough finding the whole thing.

I remember them when it happened.

Here's a snip:

In the ads, which have the banner headline "Bring Back the Death Penalty," Trump wrote, "They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence."

[Anti Federalist]

triple post ugh

[Anti Federalist]

triple post

[heavenlyboy34]

Hasn't this already come up once before.

I seem to recall something about OK looking to ban all sorts of porn as well.

And hadn't you and I both posted the stats showing the increase in porn and decrease in rape?

They'll never learn.

More than likely. :( Seems to be the norm around these parts. /facepalm @ boobus americanus

[daviddee]

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[BlackTerrel]

Thanks for posting. Was not familiar with this case.


If Trump had his way, all of the Central Park Five would have been dead by 2002. That’s the year Matias Reyes, already in prison for rape and murder, confessed to the crime, and insisted he acted alone. DNA tests had already confirmed that only one person raped victim Trisha Meili. Further testing showed Reyes was that person. Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morganthou later vacated the convictions of the other five suspects, all of whom had already served their sentences for the attack.

Wouldn't the victim herself know if she was attacked by 1 or 5 people?

[aGameOfThrones]

Thanks for posting. Was not familiar with this case.



Wouldn't the victim herself know if she was attacked by 1 or 5 people?



On April 19, 1989, the slightly-built 28-year-old investment banker was violently assaulted while jogging in New York City's Central Park. She was raped and beaten almost to death. When found about four hours later, she was suffering from severe hypothermia and blood loss from multiple lacerations and internal bleeding, and her skull had been fractured so badly that her left eye was removed from the socket. The initial medical prognosis was that she would die or, at best, remain in a permanent coma due to her injuries. Remarkably, she largely recovered, with some lingering disabilities related to balance and loss of vision. As a result of the severe trauma, she had no memory of the attack or of any events up to an hour preceding the assault.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_Jogger_case

[aGameOfThrones]

[edit]Confessions

Although the suspects (except Salaam) had confessed on videotape in the presence of a parent or guardian, they retracted their statements within weeks, claiming that they had been intimidated, lied to, and coerced into making false confessions.[9] The detectives had indeed used ruses to convince the suspects to confess, with Salaam confessing to having been present only after he was told that fingerprints would be able to be retrieved from the victims clothing.[10] While the confessions themselves were videotaped, the hours of interrogation that preceded the confessions were not.
No DNA evidence tied the suspects to the crime, so the prosecution's case rested almost entirely on the confessions.[1] In fact, analysis indicated that the DNA collected at the crime scene did not match any of the suspects — and that the crime scene DNA had all come from a single, as-yet-unknown person.[9]
One of the suspects' supporters, Reverend Calvin O. Butts of the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem told the New York Times, "The first thing you do in the United States of America when a white woman is raped is round up a bunch of black youths, and I think that's what happened here."[1]


That's why you never talk to the police.

[anaconda]

Someone should confront Trump with this in a debate. But I doubt he will get that far.

[BlackTerrel]

On April 19, 1989, the slightly-built 28-year-old investment banker was violently assaulted while jogging in New York City's Central Park. She was raped and beaten almost to death. When found about four hours later, she was suffering from severe hypothermia and blood loss from multiple lacerations and internal bleeding, and her skull had been fractured so badly that her left eye was removed from the socket. The initial medical prognosis was that she would die or, at best, remain in a permanent coma due to her injuries. Remarkably, she largely recovered, with some lingering disabilities related to balance and loss of vision. As a result of the severe trauma, she had no memory of the attack or of any events up to an hour preceding the assault.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_Jogger_case

Makes sense. Thanks.

[HarryBrowneLives]

Someone should confront Trump with this in a debate. But I doubt he will get that far.

Trump's not going to debate anybody officially. He would have to declare his candidacy, and then all his financial statements and records. Not going to happen. Too much to expose and too much to loose. Carnival barker indeed.