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LatinsforPaul
04-29-2011, 10:10 AM
Read more here: Ron Paul: More Progressive Than Obama? (http://counterpunch.com/davis04282011.html)


Barack Obama isn't exactly Eugene Debs, after all. Hell, he's not even Jimmy Carter. The facts are: he's pushed for the largest military budget in world history, given trillions of dollars to Wall Street in bailouts and near-zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve, protected oil companies like BP from legal liability for environmental damages they cause – from poisoning the Gulf to climate change – and mandated that all Americans purchase the U.S. health insurance industry's product. You might argue Paul's a corporatist, but there's no denying Obama's one.

And at least Paul would – and this is important, I think – stop killing poor foreigners with cluster bombs and Predator drones. Unlike the Nobel Peace Prize winner-in-chief, Paul would also bring the troops home from not just Afghanistan and Iraq, but Europe, Korea and Okinawa. There'd be no need for a School of the Americas because the U.S. wouldn't be busy training foreign military personnel the finer points of human rights abuses. Israel would have to carry out its war crimes on its own dime.

Even on on the most pressing domestic issues of the day, Paul strikes me as a hell of a lot more progressive than Obama. Look at the war on drugs: Obama has continued the same failed prohibitionist policies as his predecessors, maintaining a status quo that has placed 2.3 million – or one in 100 – Americans behind bars, the vast majority African-American and Hispanic. Paul, on the other hand, has called for ending the drug war and said he would pardon non-violent offenders, which would be the single greatest reform a president could make in the domestic sphere, equivalent in magnitude to ending Jim Crow.

Paul would also stop providing subsidies to corporate agriculture, nuclear energy and fossil fuels, while allowing class-action tort suits to proceed against oil and coal companies for the environmental damage they have wrought. Obama, by contrast, is providing billions to coal companies under the guise of “clean energy” – see his administration's policies on carbon capture and sequestration, the fossil fuel-equivalent of missile defense – and promising billions more so mega-energy corporations can get started on that “nuclear renaissance” we've all heard so much about. And if Paul really did succeed in cutting all those federal departments he talks about, there's nothing to prevent states and local governments -- and, I would hope, alternative social organizations not dependent on coercion -- from addressing issues such as health care and education. Decentralism isn't a bad thing.

All that aside, though, it seems to me that if you're going to style yourself a progressive, liberal humanitarian, your first priority really ought to be stopping your government from killing poor people. Second on that list? Stopping your government from putting hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens in cages for decades at a time over non-violent “crimes” committed by consenting adults. Seriously: what the fuck? Social Security's great and all I guess, but not exploding little children with cluster bombs – shouldn't that be at the top of the Liberal Agenda?

erowe1
04-29-2011, 10:18 AM
Debs was a socialist, but I don't think that means he was a progressive. Debs was arrested for his opposition to WWI, which was progressivism at its finest. Obama fits right in with progressivism on pretty much every issue. Ron Paul does not on pretty much any issue.

It looks to me like on every issue in that article, what the author claims progressivism is against is actually what progressivism is for.

FrankRep
04-29-2011, 10:23 AM
Progressive = Big Government

Feeding the Abscess
04-29-2011, 12:49 PM
ITT: totally missing the point

Terms and words shift meaning over time. "***" was not always a slur against homosexuals; "liberal" once meant something much closer to libertarianism. Anti-war, civil libertarian liberals, modern progressives, are not the same as progressives in the Woodrow Wilson mold.

Seriously, tell me Glenn Greenwald or Dylan Ratigan are Woodrow Wilson progressives, and I'll laugh for a couple minutes then put you on ignore.

Excellent find, OP. That can be shared with liberals or progressives fairly effectively.

FrankRep
04-29-2011, 12:53 PM
Wikipedia: Progressivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism)

Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform through governmental action. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies.