Superman Becomes New World Order Advocate

[AuH20]

Gulp!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/superman-renounces-u-s-citizenship-in-latest-action-comic/

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/superman-comic-2.jpg

[Valli6]

When I was a kid (60's-70's) my Dad didn't want us reading comic books because he said they were too often used for propaganda. Sometimes if he found them he would rip 'em up and throw 'em away. Who knew he was right?

[dannno]

Wow, that's nuts..worth clicking on and reading imo, it's really short.

[TNforPaul45]

Eh

[moostraks]

Wow, that's nuts..worth clicking on and reading imo, it's really short.

+++ I was rather surprised as the snippet above is mild compared to the expanded view at the link.

[FrankRep]

Globalist Propaganda:

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/superman-comic.jpg

As NPR puts it (http://www.npr.org/2011/04/28/135797875/superman-gives-up-his-u-s-citizenship), he “proclaims himself a citizen of the universe.”

[kpitcher]

I'll be sure to read that story. If Superman is fed up with American policy (We support some revolts, we don't support others) then that may not be a bad thing. Besides, I'm surprised he didn't do this sooner. Wasn't Lex Luthor president for awhile?

[FrankRep]

I'll be sure to read that story. If Superman is fed up with American policy (We support some revolts, we don't support others) then that may not be a bad thing. Besides, I'm surprised he didn't do this sooner. Wasn't Lex Luthor president for awhile?

umm... It's promoting the UNITED NATIONS.

[BenIsForRon]

umm... It's promoting the UNITED NATIONS.

You are so simple minded. Just because he said the words United Nations, you think there is some subliminal message that the United States should surrender all sovereignty to the UN.

I think this snippet from the Comic Alliance sums up the real meaning of the story pretty well:


Indeed, simply saying that “truth, justice and the American way [is] not enough anymore” is a pretty startling statement from the one man who has always represented those values the most.
It doesn‘t seem that he’s abandoning those values, however, only trying to implement them on a larger scale and divorce himself from the political complexities of nationalism.

[sailingaway]

Wow. What a shame.

EVERY country should be proud of itself.

[FrankRep]

You are so simple minded. Just because he said the words United Nations, you think there is some subliminal message that the United States should surrender all sovereignty to the UN.

I'm not alone.

As NPR puts it (http://www.npr.org/2011/04/28/135797875/superman-gives-up-his-u-s-citizenship), he “proclaims himself a citizen of the universe.”

[cdc482]

I wouldn't call him a NWO advocate.

Having a global perspective is more ethical than a national perspective.

A national perspective is kind of like being a fraternity. You just blindly belong (for no reason), and you hate the rivals because everyone else does.
Besides patriotism can lead to racism, etc. I am against war not only because it bankrupts the country which I happened to be born in, but also because it kills other people who happen to live in other countries.

A global perspective is the way to go.

[BenIsForRon]

I'm not alone.

As NPR puts it (http://www.npr.org/2011/04/28/135797875/superman-gives-up-his-u-s-citizenship), he “proclaims himself a citizen of the universe.”

LOL. What is wrong with that? Are you not a citizen of the universe? Were you born in an alternate universe, then obtained dual citizenship for the United States?

[AuH20]

Separate yourself from our hopelessly corrupt government for a second. Despite all the aforementioned problems we discuss each day, the United States is the last remnant of Western Civilization infused with the wisdom of the classic liberal tradition as well as the ancient Greeks. Europe is dead both spiritually and philosophically. Their citizens are for the most part disarmed. The other continents have been corrupted as well with the strain of tyranny.

Basically, if the resistance is smothered and defeated here, it's all over. I do find it funny when I hear a random EU diplomat complain how Americans are hopelessly violent with their gun culture and that they aren't paying enough for a gallon of gasoline. Sorry, but I don't have any plans to be assimilated by the IMF backed Borg anytime soon.

[sailingaway]

LOL. What is wrong with that? Are you not a citizen of the universe? Were you born in an alternate universe, then obtained dual citizenship for the United States?

AT a time when they are trying to get more global governance where special interests are at the table but the individual is even less represented than now, I am all for national, state, and local focus. I consider that a push to move towards IMF solutions etc.

[cdc482]

Separate yourself from our hopelessly corrupt government for a second. Despite all the aforementioned problems we discuss each day, the United States is the last remnant of Western Civilization infused with the wisdom of the classic liberal tradition as well as the ancient Greeks. Europe is dead both spiritually and philosophically. They're citizens are for the most part disarmed. The other continents have been corrupted as well. Basically, if the resistance is smothered and subjugated here, it's all over. I do find it funny when I hear the random EU diplomats complain how Americans are hopelessly violent with their gun culture and that they aren't paying enough for a gallon of gasoline. Sorry, but I don't have any plans to be assimilated by the IMFN backed Borg anytime soon.

You sir, are a dick. I play for team humanity. I'm not gonna pretend that being born here somehow makes me and every other American superior to people born elsewhere.

[FrankRep]

LOL. What is wrong with that? Are you not a citizen of the universe? Were you born in an alternate universe, then obtained dual citizenship for the United States?

That is only possible with these two situations: Global Anarchy or Global Government.

I don't support Anarchy and "Global Anarchy" isn't possible.

[AuH20]

You sir, are a dick. I play for team humanity. I'm not gonna pretend that being born here somehow makes me and every other American superior to people born elsewhere.

Look outside the gates, friend. You may not like what you see. The world is an incredibly fucked up place. War. Poverty. Thought Police. Rights Violations.

And let me clarify that I don't believe that Americans are superior. I'm just saying that due to our battle-tested heritage, some of us are ahead of the curve. We can recognize tyranny in it's many forms. I'm not sure that this will remain the case in a generation or two, but for now I'm glad to be surrounded by fellow patriots.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Are you not a citizen of the universe?

Nope.

[BenIsForRon]

Nope.

Were you born in the United States?

[cdc482]

Look outside the gates, friend. You may not like what you see. The world is an incredibly fucked up place. And I'm not insinuating that Americans are superior. I'm just saying that due to our battle-tested heritage, some of us are ahead of the curve. We can recognize tyranny in it's many forms. I'm not sure that this will remain the case in a generation or two, but for now I'm glad to be surrounded by fellow patriots.

Completely disagree. I look at people around the world, and I see amazing similarities. Maybe language is different. Maybe ideas are different. Maybe as you say "the ability to recognize tyranny" is different, but these differences are just as great among Americans as they are around the world.
I look at people and see a human, a lot like myself, I don't judge them based on the language they're speaking or where they happened to be born. I've met enough people to know that making assumptions based on stuff like that will certainly make you look like a fool.

[Travlyr]

Local governance is far superior to the global planners. Global planners are only in it for the power. Globalists are dishonest parasites.

[FrankRep]

Completely disagree. I look at people around the world, and I see amazing similarities. Maybe language is different. Maybe ideas are different. Maybe as you say "the ability to recognize tyranny" is different, but these differences are just as great among Americans as they are around the world.
I look at people and see a human, a lot like myself, I don't judge them based on the language their speaking. I've met enough people to know that making assumptions based on stuff like that will certainly make you look like a fool.
Your point?

[cdc482]

I'm extremely disappointed from hearing your opinions just now.

[cdc482]

Local governance is far superior to the global planners. Global planners are only in it for the power. Globalists are dishonest parasites.

Also disagree. Although I am fine with taking things one step at a time, and allowing for different countries to try different things, I think it'd be great if one day humanity progressed to a point where everyone could live together "under the same sun, signing songs of freedom."

And I think many globalists have good intentions. I mean, don't you believe in your philosophy enough to think that the rest of the world would benefit from following it?

[cdc482]

Also guys, don't you think it's good to have some kind of organization to address international concerns? In the way that libertarians address pollution: You can't pollute from your property on to mine. Don't we need some kind of international organization to prevent one country from polluting onto another.

[BenIsForRon]

I'm extremely disappointed from hearing your opinions just now.

Many people on this forum just take things to the extreme. Instead of just opposing the UN or IMF, they oppose anything with the word global or international.

I'm pretty sure FrankRep started a facebook group calling for a boycott of the International House of Pancakes because they were fluoridating their pancakes.

[AuH20]

Completely disagree. I look at people around the world, and I see amazing similarities. Maybe language is different. Maybe ideas are different. Maybe as you say "the ability to recognize tyranny" is different, but these differences are just as great among Americans as they are around the world.
I look at people and see a human, a lot like myself, I don't judge them based on the language they're speaking or where they happened to be born. I've met enough people to know that making assumptions based on stuff like that will certainly make you look like a fool.

I'm a humanist as well. I'm not shallow enough to prejudge an individual based on the place of their birth. However, I'm a staunch proponent of Western Civilization since it has led to enormous gains in personal liberty and prosperity.

[FrankRep]

Also disagree. Although I am fine with taking things one step at a time, and allowing for different countries to try different things, I think it'd be great if one day humanity progressed to a point where everyone could live together "under the same sun, signing songs of freedom."

And I think many globalists have good intentions. I mean, don't you believe in your philosophy enough to think that the rest of the world would benefit from following it?

Do you know Ron Paul? He's anti-United Nations!


H.R. 1146: American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2009 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1146)
To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.

Sponsor: Ron Paul

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Also disagree. Although I am fine with taking things one step at a time, and allowing for different countries to try different things, I think it'd be great if one day humanity progressed to a point where everyone could live together "under the same sun, signing songs of freedom."

And I think many globalists have good intentions. I mean, don't you believe in your philosophy enough to think that the rest of the world would benefit from following it?

That's great. The U.S. federal government isn't out-of-touch enough with the American people, we need a global federal government. Maybe they can bypass the U.S. Constitution and ban handguns outright?

Local government is the way to go.

[Kotin]

ahh cmon.. not superman...

[Travlyr]

Many globalist followers have good intentions, but the fact is that the global leaders are parasites.

A law made in Alaska may not work well in Mexico. Elite people are not smarter than free individuals. The environmental movement has almost nothing to do with scientific environmental issues, but it has everything to do with global taxation and control over the lives of the people.

[cdc482]

A great humanist, John Lennon, warned about the dangers of ism's (Western Civilization-ism).
However, as a humanist, I think libertarianism is ethical, but I prefer to use words such as freedom and peace. And I can see a humanist argument for socialism, though I disagree.

[Acala]

Wow. What a shame.

EVERY country should be proud of itself.

Pride is considered a vice for a reason. It is a mental weakness. It drives people and countries to act unskillfully and against their own interest. The majority of people who oppose bringing the troops home from Iraq do so out of pride. "These colors don't run!!!" Stupid.

[Travlyr]

And I think many globalists have good intentions. I mean, don't you believe in your philosophy enough to think that the rest of the world would benefit from following it?

My philosophy is liberty, peace and prosperity through inherent natural rights and property rights. It has nothing whatsoever to do with telling others what is, and what is not, good for them. "Live and let live."

[RonPaulFanInGA]

A great humanist, John Lennon, warned about the dangers of ism's (Western Civilization-ism).

I swear in one of my previous posts on this thread, I came close to writing "stop listening to that stupid John Lennon song" but ended up not doing it. Wish I had.

[cdc482]

Guys,

I want to be clear: I agree with local governments. I am not proposing a global government. You clearly skimmed my posts, and did not read all of them. I agree with Travlyr that once people have more power, things get really corrupt really quickly, and not just because we learned it by reading 1984 in middle school, but from seeing it in my life.

Also, I'm just saying that I hope one day humanity can progress to just follow ethical rules without the need for so many safegaurds from corruption.
I'm sure you've heard Imagine by John Lennon, it'd be pretty sweet, but I understand why it's not possible.

[cdc482]

My philosophy is liberty, peace and prosperity through inherent natural rights and property rights. It has nothing whatsoever to do with telling others what is, and what is not, good for them. "Live and let live."


I think I have the same philosophy. Wouldn't you agree that you'd hope to be able to move anywhere in the world and still have people respecting the philosophy. Not going to country B, and having the government put ou in jail for your beliefs, etc.

[cdc482]

John Lennon was a good guy. Maybe when you hear people calling him a socialist you might get turned off, but I listened to what he had to say, and I just see a humanist. And selflessness. I relate to his ideas a lot, even though I'm a libertarian.

[sailingaway]

Pride is considered a vice for a reason. It is a mental weakness. It drives people and countries to act unskillfully and against their own interest. The majority of people who oppose bringing the troops home from Iraq do so out of pride. "These colors don't run!!!" Stupid.

Oh, yawn. I believe people have a right to local governance and self determination. Your 'these colors don't run' citation of bravado is like people who say the only ones interested in states rights want the return of slavery. There is very good reason for local governance. It is more truly representative of individuals, or CAN be, because individuals can actually impact local government. And people in different places may want to govern themselves differently, and that is fine. And if they do, it is likely because they think their way is best.

If Yale calls itself the smartest and the finest, and Harvard calls itself the oldest and the best, who does it hurt? And how do having traditions in either of those places that strengthen a sense of kinship and unity hurt? Why give up community? I won't.

[DamianTV]

Superman Renounces U.S. Citizenship

Not totally sure if I blame him. If his catch phrase was "Truth, Justice, and the GERMAN Way" (replace German with any country known for its prohibitation of Freedom, like Russia, China, North Korea, Etc) do you think Superman would ever have been known as a symbol of freedom? I think that the US is so far gone in terms of being associated with Freedom and Liberty, that it gives Superman a "bad rap", and will ultimately result in lower sales of that comic.

[AuH20]

John Lennon was a good guy. Maybe when you hear people calling him a socialist you might get turned off, but I listened to what he had to say, and I just see a humanist. And selflessness. I relate to his ideas a lot, even though I'm a libertarian.

I think he had good intentions. But sometimes the road to hell is paved with the best intentions.

[Travlyr]

I think I have the same philosophy. Wouldn't you agree that you'd hope to be able to move anywhere in the world and still have people respecting the philosophy. Not going to country B, and having the government put ou in jail for your beliefs, etc.

Absolutely, but I do not think it can be achieved by an elite oligarchy. It can only be accomplished by a universal understanding of inherent natural rights and property rights.

[cdc482]

Oh, yawn. I believe people have a right to local governance and self determination. And people in different places may want to govern themselves differently, and that is fine. And if they do, it is likely because they think their way is best.

I completely agree. Hope I wasn't misunderstood.
There's a tough to find documentary called Triple Heritage. It's about the history of Africa, and although they had a "primitive" culture from the view of French, British, and American imperialists. They preferred it to democracy. It's a great film, the one that first got me interested in politics.

Also, since people seem to care so much about guns. I'm just gonna say this once and not debate it further:
If I developed something whose sole purpose was to kill someone else, should it be legal to own?
Remember, it's only possible use is to infringe on your life or liberty.
Obviously, the answer is no.

However, guns can be used recreationally, so for this reason, they should be legal.

But as far as self-defense goes, well if no one else has one...
Before you reply, "then only criminals would have guns"... Yes. You are right. Practically speaking. I'm just trying to share a liberal THEORY that seems to divide libertarians and liberals so strongly, when it really shouldn't. Hope you see where it's coming from.

Personally, I hate guns and the whole culture surrounding them, but I still support your choice to own one even though I'd rather live in a world without them.
Is it really so hard to see where the liberals come from on this issue?

[silverhandorder]

When I was growing up I always thought that comic heroes like Superman and Batman are in a fictional universe where there is no understanding such as America. I kinda even though there were no nations in comics. Why? Because to me all I would see was either criminals, evil geniuses or aliens that they are taking on. I never saw them fighting governments and etc.

So if there is anything to lament is that comics are writing about current events and not making up interesting plots.

[sailingaway]

Not totally sure if I blame him. If his catch phrase was "Truth, Justice, and the GERMAN Way" (replace German with any country known for its prohibitation of Freedom, like Russia, China, North Korea, Etc) do you think Superman would ever have been known as a symbol of freedom? I think that the US is so far gone in terms of being associated with Freedom and Liberty, that it gives Superman a "bad rap", and will ultimately result in lower sales of that comic.

How many readers does DC have outside of the US, exactly?

Whatever, as I recall the real Superman already died and split into four 'edgier' sub-supermen with different personalities, so this is one fourth of a zombie Superman giving up his citizenship.....

[cdc482]

Absolutely, but I do not think it can be achieved by an elite oligarchy. It can only be accomplished by a universal understanding of inherent natural rights and property rights.

I agree. That's what I meant when I said I hope humanity reaches this point one day.

I also wanna say that Batman was better than Superman anyway.
He let ethics be his guide and he did what he thought was best for humanity. There was one episode where he helps a drug lord turn his life around. He even saved a criminal who would have lost his legs due to a misfire by Mr. Freeze. He always had everyone's best interests in mind. Kick ass.

[Stary Hickory]

Well I guess I'll boycott DC comics....wait I never read them anyways.

[sailingaway]

I completely agree. Hope I wasn't misunderstood.
There's a tough to find documentary called Triple Heritage. It's about the history of Africa, and although they had a "primitive" culture from the view of French, British, and American imperialists. They preferred it to democracy. It's a great film, the one that first got me interested in politics.

Also, since people seem to care so much about guns. I'm just gonna say this once and not debate it further:
If I developed something whose sole purpose was to kill someone else, should it be legal to own?
Remember, it's only possible use is to infringe on your life or liberty.
Obviously, the answer is no.

However, guns can be used recreationally, so for this reason, they should be legal.

But as far as self-defense goes, well if no one else has one...
Before you reply, "then only criminals would have guns"... Yes. You are right. Practically speaking. I'm just trying to share a liberal THEORY that seems to divide libertarians and liberals so strongly, when it really shouldn't. Hope you see where it's coming from.

Personally, I hate guns and the whole culture surrounding them, but I still support your choice to own one even though I'd rather live in a world without them.
Is it really so hard to see where the liberals come from on this issue?

It's hard to see how liberals can look at the country and see that gun violence is highest where gun laws are strictest and not at least question that. They banned guns in England and now people are being attacked by kitchen knives. If someone came at me with a kitchen knife, I'd sure wish I had a gun.

Guns are not, however, my big issue in life. Philosophically I'm all for them, though.

[DamianTV]

How many readers does DC have outside of the US, exactly?

Whatever, as I recall the real Superman already died and split into four 'edgier' sub-supermen with different personalities, so this is one fourth of a zombie Superman giving up his citizenship.....

Well, looking at this as a business strategy, DC is probably more concerned over their US readers as opposed to readers in other countries. I will go on the assumption that it is mostly the youth that reads the comics more so than those of us that were aware of the happenings in the world before 9/11. Superman is supposed to be a torchbearer of "Freedom and Liberty", which is no longer synonimous with "Truth, Justice, and The American Way", and I think the author is fully aware of that, and probably wants to say something to the effect of Superman should no longer be associated with a country that has turned its back on its principles, thus, alienating him from readers, well for people that still read.

[Todd]

I'm a humanist as well. I'm not shallow enough to prejudge an individual based on the place of their birth. However, I'm a staunch proponent of Western Civilization since it has led to enormous gains in personal liberty and prosperity.

+1
The term America as the exeptional nation has been bastardized to mean that American's think they are superior to other cultures. What it really means is that we were the first great experiment of liberty and thus the foundations for freedom. Despite what we may have become, there are still people here who understand and remember those foundations.

[Acala]

Oh, yawn. I believe people have a right to local governance and self determination. Your 'these colors don't run' citation of bravado is like people who say the only ones interested in states rights want the return of slavery. There is very good reason for local governance. It is more truly representative of individuals, or CAN be, because individuals can actually impact local government. And people in different places may want to govern themselves differently, and that is fine. And if they do, it is likely because they think their way is best..

Huh? Who said anything about local governance? I am a radical decentralist and an advocate of the unrestricted right to secession at every level. What does that have to do with pride?

Pride, according to Webster, is "an overhigh opinion of oneself; exaggerated self-esteem; conceit". Nothing to do with independence or local governance.

If you didn't MEAN that, you should have used a different word.


If Yale calls itself the smartest and the finest, and Harvard calls itself the oldest and the best, who does it hurt? And how do having traditions in either of those places that strengthen a sense of kinship and unity hurt? Why give up community? I won't.

First of all, it is delusional. And all too often, even at the supposedly harmless level of university rivalry, it results in very harmful action. Pride leads to arrogance leads to hubris and is at the heart of our brutal and destructive world empire. It is collectivist mind control. It allows my stupid, obese neighbor who couldn't think or fight his way out of a soggy paper sack to feel tough by taking pride in our troops and vicariously blowing up supposed enemies.

Pride is one of the main frailties in the human character exploited by politicians and their handlers to make people do stupid things like fight endless wars for no reason.

Other than that, it's great

[Acala]

+1
The term America as the exeptional nation has been bastardized to mean that American's think they are superior to other cultures. What it really means is that we were the first great experiment of liberty and thus the foundations for freedom. Despite what we may have become, there are still people here who understand and remember those foundations.

Yup. What made us exceptional was liberty. And that is why we have no cause whatsoever - as a country - for anything but shame now.

[cdc482]

+humility is a virtue

[sailingaway]

Huh? Who said anything about local governance? I am a radical decentralist and an advocate of the unrestricted right to secession at every level. What does that have to do with pride?

Pride, according to Webster, is "an overhigh opinion of oneself; exaggerated self-esteem; conceit". Nothing to do with independence or local governance.

If you didn't MEAN that, you should have used a different word.



First of all, it is delusional. And all too often, even at the supposedly harmless level of university rivalry, it results in very harmful action. Pride leads to arrogance leads to hubris and is at the heart of our brutal and destructive world empire. It is collectivist mind control. It allows my stupid, obese neighbor who couldn't think or fight his way out of a soggy paper sack to feel tough by taking pride in our troops and vicariously blowing up supposed enemies.

Pride is one of the main frailties in the human character exploited by politicians and their handlers to make people do stupid things like fight endless wars for no reason.

Other than that, it's great

I think it is self esteem and kind of nice. We seem to differ on that point.