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cindy25
04-27-2011, 08:35 PM
a friend bet me that Bachmann is Jewish, and I had remembered she is Lutheran so I took, and won the bet. the reason my friend was so sure she is Jewish is that he heard Bachmann worked on a kibbutz in 1974.

it just makes no sense that a Lutheran girl from a single mom household would spend a small fortune (probably as much/more than a new car) to do socialist volunteer farm work in a war zone (the Yom Kippur war has just ended a few months before) .


just imagine if Marco Rubio had spent a summer helping Castro bring in the sugar harvest.

erowe1
04-27-2011, 08:47 PM
That doesn't sound so strange to me.

Where exactly was the Kibbutz? It might have been in a fairly safe area. How much did it actually cost her? A round-trip ticket to Israel has never been exactly cheap, but I wouldn't call it a small fortune, or equate it to the price of a new car. And how much time did she spend there?

She was 18-19 at the time. It seems like the kind of interesting travel experience a lot of adventurous people that age would benefit greatly from, kind of like spending a semester abroad or hitch hiking across Europe.

Or is the real problem just the fact that she doesn't consider Israel the equivalent of Hell on Earth?

Edit: I spent a semester studying in Israel when I was 24. That probably cost me considerably more than it would have cost to join a Kibbutz. I loved it and got a great education out of it.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2011, 08:51 PM
http://tcjewfolk.com/michele-bachmann-israel/

dbill27
04-27-2011, 08:52 PM
I might do it, cool experience.

cindy25
04-27-2011, 09:14 PM
That doesn't sound so strange to me.

Where exactly was the Kibbutz? It might have been in a fairly safe area. How much did it actually cost her? A round-trip ticket to Israel has never been exactly cheap, but I wouldn't call it a small fortune, or equate it to the price of a new car. And how much time did she spend there?

She was 18-19 at the time. It seems like the kind of interesting travel experience a lot of adventurous people that age would benefit greatly from, kind of like spending a semester abroad or hitch hiking across Europe.

Or is the real problem just the fact that she doesn't consider Israel the equivalent of Hell on Earth?

Edit: I spent a semester studying in Israel when I was 24. That probably cost me considerably more than it would have cost to join a Kibbutz. I loved it and got a great education out of it.

in 1974 a new VW or Datsun was $2000; a trip to Israel, the cost of the Kibbutz stay (its $5000 now, probably $1-2 thou then), the time that could have been used productively (lost income) had to far exceed $2000.

I would be just as suspicious if someone had spent a summer doing farm work in Cuba or China or Mexico. But Israel is a strange choice for a Lutheran girl from rural Minnesota, her mom was a bank teller so money had to be tight, and the war had just ended. I would think most kids who do this are children of Jewish professionals whose parents want them to experience it.

but that is some racket; charge people to do work for you. have to give the kibbutz management credit for that. Tom Sawyer to a new level.

erowe1
04-27-2011, 09:32 PM
I would be just as suspicious if someone had spent a summer doing farm work in Cuba or China or Mexico.

Suspicious of what?


But Israel is a strange choice for a Lutheran girl from rural Minnesota

It doesn't seem strange to me. Why does it seem strange to you?

I know when I was there, I met all kinds of college-age kids from all kinds of Christian backgrounds. I don't specifically remember every denomination, but I assume some of them were Lutherans.


in 1974 a new VW or Datsun was $2000; a trip to Israel, the cost of the Kibbutz stay (its $5000 now, probably $1-2 thou then), the time that could have been used productively (lost income) had to far exceed $2000.

I can't say I know about this directly, so maybe I'm wrong. But I doubt that you're right about all this, especially the cost of staying on the Kibbutz. I think the only cost she would have had would have been her airfare. Her cost of living there would have been covered by the work she did on the Kibbutz.

Kotin
04-27-2011, 09:45 PM
My parents did the same thing around the same time and before..

cindy25
04-27-2011, 09:48 PM
http://www.kibbutzulpan.org/page.asp?ln=eng

deposit & Regulations

Participants who are tourists will deposit a program deposit of 4750US dollars

http://www.kibbutzprogramcenter.org/node/3

Summer Ulpan dates for 2011

Mishmar Hasharon: July 12th - August 19th Cost: $2,840

Participants cannot arrive before July 10th. Arrival times each day are 7am-10pm. All participants must leave the program on the last day and cannot stay past the end date.

erowe1
04-27-2011, 09:54 PM
http://www.kibbutzulpan.org/page.asp?ln=eng

deposit & Regulations

Participants who are tourists will deposit a program deposit of 4750US dollars

http://www.kibbutzprogramcenter.org/node/3

Summer Ulpan dates for 2011

Mishmar Hasharon: July 12th - August 19th Cost: $2,840

Participants cannot arrive before July 10th. Arrival times each day are 7am-10pm. All participants must leave the program on the last day and cannot stay past the end date.

Ulpan is not the same as Kibbutz. An Ulpan is a Hebrew language class. The cost of taking one is only a cost you have if you take that class, it's not a cost for the privilege of working on a Kibbutz. The former cost you mentioned it calls a deposit. I assume that's to be taken literally. It's a deposit, not a fee. Like the deposit you put down on an apartment that you get back when you move out if you didn't break anything. The cost of living on a Kibbutz I think is typically covered by the work you do there.

libertybrewcity
04-27-2011, 09:55 PM
a friend bet me that Bachmann is Jewish, and I had remembered she is Lutheran so I took, and won the bet. the reason my friend was so sure she is Jewish is that he heard Bachmann worked on a kibbutz in 1974.

it just makes no sense that a Lutheran girl from a single mom household would spend a small fortune (probably as much/more than a new car) to do socialist volunteer farm work in a war zone (the Yom Kippur war has just ended a few months before) .


just imagine if Marco Rubio had spent a summer helping Castro bring in the sugar harvest.


how in the hell are you going to compare going to a kibbutz to spending a summer helping Castro.

your antisemitism is just outrageous. Who cares if she was Jewish or if she did go on a Kibbutz? I went to a Hindu temple last year and prayed with the people there. I'm also planning on going to Cuba in the near future. Who cares? It doesn't make me evil. Believe it or not people like to explore new cultures and experience new things, and that is sometimes Israel. So what.

cindy25
04-27-2011, 09:59 PM
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/70scars.html

Ford Pinto $2,078 1972
Ford, Pinto, $2,895.00 New Jersey 1976

Datsun 1200 Sports Coupe parking is a breeze only $1866.00
Toyota Corona $1,950.00 quality from thousnads of tests and solid construction

erowe1
04-27-2011, 10:01 PM
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/70scars.html

Ford Pinto $2,078 1972
Ford, Pinto, $2,895.00 New Jersey 1976

Datsun 1200 Sports Coupe parking is a breeze only $1866.00
Toyota Corona $1,950.00 quality from thousnads of tests and solid construction

$2,000 in 1974 equates to $9,000 today. And that's using CPI. The difference would be greater by some other ways of measuring inflation.

cindy25
04-27-2011, 10:05 PM
how in the hell are you going to compare going to a kibbutz to spending a summer helping Castro.

your antisemitism is just outrageous. Who cares if she was Jewish or if she did go on a Kibbutz? I went to a Hindu temple last year and prayed with the people there. I'm also planning on going to Cuba in the near future. Who cares? It doesn't make me evil. Believe it or not people like to explore new cultures and experience new things, and that is sometimes Israel. So what.

a socialist farm in Israel is no different from a socialist farm in Venez or Cuba or anywhere else

going to Cuba as a tourist, studying in Israel, working for a bank in China-these are legitimate and sensible pursuits; paying to work on a socialist farm is wacky.

Kotin
04-27-2011, 10:13 PM
a socialist farm in Israel is no different from a socialist farm in Venez or Cuba or anywhere else

That's quite inaccurate.. But I am sure you have lived on one and know what you are talking about.. Oh wait... :rolleyes:

doodle
04-27-2011, 11:14 PM
a friend bet me that Bachmann is Jewish, and I had remembered she is Lutheran so I took, and won the bet. the reason my friend was so sure she is Jewish is that he heard Bachmann worked on a kibbutz in 1974.

it just makes no sense that a Lutheran girl from a single mom household would spend a small fortune (probably as much/more than a new car) to do socialist volunteer farm work in a war zone (the Yom Kippur war has just ended a few months before) .


just imagine if Marco Rubio had spent a summer helping Castro bring in the sugar harvest.

Could it be she is considering running for President?

If Obama can do Seder, nothing wrong with liberal democrat Bachmann doing Kibbutz dance.

cindy25
04-27-2011, 11:28 PM
Bachmann also worked 5 years from 1988 to 1993 for the IRS. if Obama is criticized for being a community organizer, if the Pope is criticized for joining Hitler youth (mandatory at the time) then surely Bachmann should be criticized for this.

JCLibertarian
04-27-2011, 11:34 PM
I think these Jews should pick their own damn crops, personally. Talk about a waste of a life, going on a stupid kibbutz. Seems like these Jewish farmers are tapping into a gold mine. They get to reap massive profits off of brain dead Christians. Maybe I ought to give a thought to converting to Judaism, acquiring Israeli citizenship, and getting some fat midwestern evangelicals to work for me for free.

cindy25
04-28-2011, 12:01 AM
I think these Jews should pick their own damn crops, personally. Talk about a waste of a life, going on a stupid kibbutz. Seems like these Jewish farmers are tapping into a gold mine. They get to reap massive profits off of brain dead Christians. Maybe I ought to give a thought to converting to Judaism, acquiring Israeli citizenship, and getting some fat midwestern evangelicals to work for me for free.

not just free; you have to pay them to do their farm work.