Am I the only one that finds Gary Johnson boring?

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

I like the guy, dont get me wrong. But he puts me to sleep. I dont get inspired with him like do with RP. RP makes me want to go out there and literally fight for the cause of liberty.

[trey4sports]

Gary is a pretty boring speaker IMO

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

And Ron Paul isnt the best orator around either, but for some reason and old guy like him saying the stuff he says just gets me hyped.

[ctiger2]

And Ron Paul isnt the best orator around either, but for some reason and old guy like him saying the stuff he says just gets me hyped.

I agree. Johnson's not very excitable at all. He needs to watch Ron's feisty side and take notes. The thing with Ron is, he's not a great orator at all but you can hear the passion in his voice and it's inspiring.

[Agorism]

Yes he's a tad boring.

[Zatch]

It's because he has the manner of a heavy pot-smoker. I'm guessing he inhaled a lot.

[dannno]

It's because he has the manner of a heavy pot-smoker. I'm guessing he inhaled a lot.

Probably not as much as Rand.

I'm not 100% sure, but I know Gary Johnson is into triathalons or something, I seem to recall that he may have tried it but never did it regularly.

[Johnnymac]

i didnt know who he was until this year....

[tangent4ronpaul]

Boring - yes, but worse a bit creepy for any liberty candidate I've ever heard and somehow not trustworthy. Like a neocon is libertarian clothing.

Mainly a gut feeling - but I don't trust the guy.

[dannno]

Boring - yes, but worse a bit creepy for any liberty candidate I've ever heard and somehow not trustworthy. Like a neocon is libertarian clothing.

I dunno, I actually wrote the guy a letter 12 years ago when he was Governor and he wrote a nice note back. I trust him, but he isn't very fiery.

[Shane Harris]

hes not fun to listen to. neither is rand imo. ron is to me for some reason. but not all the time. he has good and bad days. for some reason his messages always strike some type of chord with me that hits the pathos ethos and logos just right.

[trey4sports]

Probably not as much as Rand.

I'm not 100% sure, but I know Gary Johnson is into triathalons or something, I seem to recall that he may have tried it but never did it regularly.

Did rand smoke a lot or something?

anyway, gj used mj medicinally after an injury, dunno if he used it recreationally though

[specsaregood]

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[libertybrewcity]

I think he is not only boring, but really really into himself. Every speech he spends at least 5+ minutes just talking about himself. He goes on and on about himself. I'm like dude, talk about some important issues or something. Unfortunately, American politics is about whoever can invoke the most passion in mainstream voters. It's always "Obama is such a great orator" or "Palin brings out crowds because she is just like me". It is never, well Obama supports "this" and it will work because of "this".

[BamaFanNKy]

Boring - yes, but worse a bit creepy for any liberty candidate I've ever heard and somehow not trustworthy. Like a neocon is libertarian clothing.

Mainly a gut feeling - but I don't trust the guy.

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Editorial/090119/OscarNoms2009/BestSupportingActor-RobertDowneyJr-TropicThunder15.jpg
There is a saying coming to mind.

[LisaNY]

Gary is boring and uninspiring and doesn't seem at all passionate about what he's saying. If you didn't know any better you'd think he has no real convictions and is only doing this to split the liberty vote. If he really wants to attract voters he has got to change his delivery and come up with some fresh ideas of his own.

[low preference guy]

I wonder if his accident had something do to with it. Maybe he was more animated and energetic when he was Governor?

[BamaFanNKy]

come up with some fresh ideas of his own.

Um....... You sure you mean that. After all, isn't Ron's appeal that he has no new ideas.

[nate895]

No, you're far from being the only. As I pointed out in another thread, I once almost fell asleep at a little speech (actually Gary Johnson doesn't give speeches, he gives lectures) of his. This coming from a guy who has more hours of iTunes U lectures on his iPod than music.

[BamaFanNKy]

I wonder if his accident had something do to with it. Maybe he was more animated and energetic when he was a Governor?

He was. He also has a disease that takes a ton of your energy and leaves you on the "John" quite a bit. Still, neither him nor Ron will ever win style points. Then again, I find Obama a boring speaker who does a bad Rev. Wright impression every now and again.

This is weird but, I prefer speakers like Barry Goldwater and Malcolm X. Smart and firm.

[sailingaway]

Um....... You sure you mean that. After all, isn't Ron's appeal that he has no new ideas.

LOL!

BamaFan, Ron is a walking talking idea mill.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Editorial/090119/OscarNoms2009/BestSupportingActor-RobertDowneyJr-TropicThunder15.jpg
There is a saying coming to mind.

OK - I missed that movie and am not catching your ref - please elaborate....

[tangent4ronpaul]

I dunno, I actually wrote the guy a letter 12 years ago when he was Governor and he wrote a nice note back. I trust him, but he isn't very fiery.

any politician that writes you back gets brownie points in my book. Ron has written me back a couple of times (OK - I think 3 times - and they were not form letters) - I think I blew his mind....

One of my reps does write back - though always a form letter 4-6 months after it's relative. She's a dem and is non-committal but I respect her more for getting back to me. Even if it is about why she is going to vote against my interests.

What did he say?

[TCE]

Yes, he is incredibly boring. As in worse than Rand in giving speeches, and I didn't think that was possible.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Yes, he is incredibly boring. As in worse than Rand in giving speeches, and I didn't think that was possible.

I've seen Rand really ROCK in giving speeches!

[specsaregood]

He was. He also has a disease that takes a ton of your energy and leaves you on the "John" quite a bit.
Doesn't sound like Gary Johnson is healthy enough to president.

Staff: "Excuse me sir, the emergency hotline phone is ringing."
Johnson: "Take a message, I'm busy pooping, I'll be out in an hour."

[low preference guy]

I've seen Rand really ROCK in giving speeches!

Yeah, Rand rocks.

[low preference guy]

Doesn't sound like Gary Johnson is healthy enough to president.

Hey, that's actually not a bad thing. The less they do the better.

[nate895]

Doesn't sound like Gary Johnson is healthy enough to president.

Staff: "Excuse me sir, the emergency hotline phone is ringing."
Johnson: "Take a message, I'm busy pooping, I'll be out in an hour."

Andrew Jackson had a similar problem (chronic dysentery from the FL campaign through his death, not to mention being riddled with bullets). He managed just fine.

[low preference guy]

Hey, that's actually not a bad thing. The less they do the better.

...and he can definitely veto bills while pooping.

[TCE]

I've seen Rand really ROCK in giving speeches!

He can, especially that Youtube where he is chewing out a bureaucrat from the Department of Energy (?) about them regulating every little thing. But when he's off, he is off.

[specsaregood]

...and he can definitely veto bills while pooping.

that would be quite the photo op.

[specsaregood]

Andrew Jackson had a similar problem (chronic dysentery from the FL campaign through his death, not to mention being riddled with bullets). He managed just fine.

people were tougher back then

[nate895]

that would be quite the photo op.

LBJ was famous for talking to staffers while on the throne.

[dannno]

What did he say?

I had to throw it away because it was about marijuana and I was still in high school living at home.

[dannno]

Did rand smoke a lot or something?

anyway, gj used mj medicinally after an injury, dunno if he used it recreationally though

I am just judging based on the aqua buddha incident. Rand denied that he force fed anybody drugs but never denied toking up so I figured he was ripping bongs back in college.

Do you know when Gary Johnson used MMJ for his injuries? I read a lot more about him back in 2000, I didn't recall that he had done that then.

[Feeding the Abscess]

I am just judging based on the aqua buddha incident. Rand denied that he force fed anybody drugs but never denied toking up so I figured he was ripping bongs back in college.

Do you know when Gary Johnson used MMJ for his injuries? I read a lot more about him back in 2000, I didn't recall that he had done that then.

He's talked about using MMJ for his injuries in a number of interviews, even with Hannity.

[dannno]

He's talked about using MMJ for his injuries in a number of interviews, even with Hannity.

Anybody know if it was recently or a while back that he used it?

[Shane Harris]

he said he used it in college recreationally up to 3 times a week. haha brave of a politician to admit

[Zatch]

Anybody know if it was recently or a while back that he used it?

Both:


Gary Johnson, the former New Mexico governor and a likely 2012 Republican presidential candidate, hasn’t been shy about his support for marijuana legalization or his personal use of the drug during his younger days. “I never exhaled,” he joked in a recent interview with The New Republic. But in an interview with THE WEEKLY STANDARD, Johnson admitted publicly for the first time that he smoked marijuana more recently—from 2005 to 2008—for medicinal purposes, he says.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/meet-gary-johnson-ron-paul-2012_520775.html

[Ekrub]

I haven't read the entire thread, but I think it is good that we all find him boring. He seems (to me at least) like a one issue candidate (pot legalization) whereas Ron attacks the real threat to liberty (the military industrial complex, unconstitutional wars, and most of all the federal reserve) not to say that I don't agree with pot legalization, just that a more philosophical view of what's wrong with government excites me more. If it was Gary Johnson vs. Obama I would be 100000000000% behind Gary. But with Ron Paul, I'm behind him 10^1000000000000000000000000000%. F ( little drunk writing this, excuse the illiterate grammar and what not ;)

[BamaFanNKy]

I haven't read the entire thread, but I think it is good that we all find him boring. He seems (to me at least) like a one issue candidate (pot legalization) whereas Ron attacks the real threat to liberty (the military industrial complex, unconstitutional wars, and most of all the federal reserve) not to say that I don't agree with pot legalization, just that a more philosophical view of what's wrong with government excites me more. If it was Gary Johnson vs. Obama I would be 100000000000% behind Gary. But with Ron Paul, I'm behind him 10^1000000000000000000000000000%. F ( little drunk writing this, excuse the illiterate grammar and what not ;)

People who think he is a one issue candidate remind me of people who think Ron is an Isolationist that blames America for 9-11, they get all their information from TV pundits.

[TCE]

People who think he is a one issue candidate remind me of people who think Ron is an Isolationist that blames America for 9-11, they get all their information from TV pundits.

There's a difference. Ron was never on tv only talking about one issue, he deviated every few months depending on the hot topic of the day be it war, the debt, the Federal Reserve, etc. Gary Johnson has been on television networks talking almost exclusively about marijuana for years. The neocons won't need a smear campaign, he'll already have alienated himself among the social conservatives in the Bible Belt.

[MelissaWV]

People who think he is a one issue candidate remind me of people who think Ron is an Isolationist that blames America for 9-11, they get all their information from TV pundits.

Johnson is actually a two-issue candidate for Ron Paul supporters. Most things, though, are superficially similar enough that there's no use arguing about it.

I do find Johnson pretty boring as well, and I find him to be less knowledgeable on many important subjects than Ron. That's to be expected, no? Ron's experiences and pet issues (if we're to call them that) are more in line with the really important stuff going on in the country right now. I'd like legalization of drugs, sure, but Johnson is also for the regulation of those drugs as we regulate alcohol. Do we need more Government agencies, or to grow the ones we have? I thought we wanted less of that? The border issue is not my top priority, and in this economy most of the violence and trouble has actually retreated south.

Oh and since people pick on Ron for his Facebook/Twitter/whatever account having errors, someone should really have a chat with Gary about his website. If he's going to run for President, he should consider fixing the thing up. This "Money Bomb" thing did not have a counter to show how much money had been raised. Either he's afraid of the totals looking puny, he wants to hide the total from perceived enemies (which is a red flag because I value transparency), or they forgot something that important. He has the same long sentence twice on his front page under two different headings. His pictures are really inconsistent and awful. His donate page is really strange, with the right side extending down really far, and the top with only a graphic or two.

[trey4sports]

Anybody know if it was recently or a while back that he used it?

I believe it was just a couple years ago 5sh and it was because he broke some bones in his back or ribs, I can't remember the details off-hand.

[Ekrub]

He has allowed the media to paint him as that, and I've seen no real evidence that he is trying to shed that label. Again, don't get me wrong, I like GJ but my opinion on him I think is shared Amongst a lot of us. The passion and consistency of RP on the main reforms that we would like to see happen inspires us. While I think that pot legalization is an issue that I would like to see happen. I can't say that's what drives my "libertarianism"

Again, just an opinion. I DO like Gary johnson

[lynnf]

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[pacelli]

So boring that I can't pay attention to anything he says after about 10 seconds of watching him talk. He has a generally flat, expressionless face and monotone voice. I'm sure he's a good leader, but he's boring as piss.

[acptulsa]

I remember finding the Minneapolis library during the R4R just so I could say I wished we could either inject Johnson's brain into Ventura or Ventura's passion into Johnson. Or words to that effect.

Does he have a dry sense of humor? If so, he needs to start using it. Every time he opens his mouth.

[Theocrat]

There's a difference. Ron was never on tv only talking about one issue, he deviated every few months depending on the hot topic of the day be it war, the debt, the Federal Reserve, etc. Gary Johnson has been on television networks talking almost exclusively about marijuana for years. The neocons won't need a smear campaign, he'll already have alienated himself among the social conservatives in the Bible Belt.

Perhaps that's why Gary Johnson needs to be in the debates. It'll give him the perfect stage to expand on his political philosophy and discuss other issues (assuming the moderators give him the right questions, of course). I, personally, would like to hear him talk more about his views on pro-life stuff, because I'm not convinced he's 100% pro-life (even if he does sound boring).

[Sola_Fide]

Perhaps that's why Gary Johnson needs to be in the debates. It'll give him the perfect stage to expand on his political philosophy and discuss other issues (assuming the moderators give him the right questions, of course). I, personally, would like to hear him talk more about his views on pro-life stuff, because I'm not convinced he's 100% pro-life (even if he does sound boring).

Gary doesn't believe in life at conception from what I understand. Not good.

[MelissaWV]

Perhaps that's why Gary Johnson needs to be in the debates. It'll give him the perfect stage to expand on his political philosophy and discuss other issues (assuming the moderators give him the right questions, of course). I, personally, would like to hear him talk more about his views on pro-life stuff, because I'm not convinced he's 100% pro-life (even if he does sound boring).

Not sure why you need convincing on that. He is obviously not 100% pro-life.


Abortion
Life is precious and needs to be protected. Deciding to have an abortion is a very difficult decision. As Governor, Gary Johnson supported legislation that banned late term abortions and allowed for parental notification for minors seeking an abortion. He believes that ultimately it is a woman’s right to make such a decision during the early stage of pregnancy.

Judges should be appointed who will interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning. Any court decision that does not follow this original meaning of the Constitution should be revisited. That is particularly true of decisions such as Roe vs. Wade, which have expanded the reach of the Federal government into areas of society never envisioned in the Constitution. With the overturning of Roe vs Wade, laws regarding abortion would be decided by the individual states.

Ultimately, his stance boils down (superficially) to being similar to Ron's, but Ron is also very vocal about that fact that he, as a doctor, has never seen a need for a late term abortion, and that he is personally pro-Life.

[progressiveforpaul]

Boring - yes, but worse a bit creepy for any liberty candidate I've ever heard and somehow not trustworthy. Like a neocon is libertarian clothing.

Mainly a gut feeling - but I don't trust the guy.
Not into conspiracy theories but if i were in charge of the neo-cons I would find a libertarian and encourage him to run for the nomination so as to siphon votes from RP.

[Theocrat]

Not sure why you need convincing on that. He is obviously not 100% pro-life.



Ultimately, his stance boils down (superficially) to being similar to Ron's, but Ron is also very vocal about that fact that he, as a doctor, has never seen a need for a late term abortion, and that he is personally pro-Life.

Thanks for that information, Melissa. Would you mind linking the source?

[MelissaWV]

Thanks for that information, Melissa. Would you mind linking the source?

http://ouramericainitiative.com/

There is an "abortion" tab on that site. Curiously, on Gary's own site (where his fundraising is done) there is no tab on that issue either way.

[sailingaway]

Perhaps that's why Gary Johnson needs to be in the debates. It'll give him the perfect stage to expand on his political philosophy and discuss other issues (assuming the moderators give him the right questions, of course). I, personally, would like to hear him talk more about his views on pro-life stuff, because I'm not convinced he's 100% pro-life (even if he does sound boring).


Any such 'expansion' would be at Ron's expense, and since he is running against Ron, whom I consider to be in an entirely different league, in this context I have no interest in raising Gary's profile. If he were running in a race NOT against Ron (or Rand) I might feel differently. But I like some things about De Mint, too, and I wouldn't try to 'raise his profile' by getting him more coverage running against Ron either. Ron tied for 3d in a three way tie in a New Hampshire poll yesterday. Gary got 1%. If Ron had come in ABOVE those he tied with that would have been a headline. Mind you, in that particular poll RAND also got 2%, but Rand won't run and won't be in the polls as soon as that becomes clear.

[Rishinfreakapotamus]

What annoys me about him is that he has a distinct set of soundbutes that he uses in EVERY interview that he does. I watched 3 from the day he announced and they were all practically the same! For example:

"We're borrowing $0.43 out of every dollar!"

"We're arresting 1.8 million people a year for drug use, which I like to point out is the population of New Mexico!"

"Half of what we spend on law enforcement and police is drug related!"

All great and perfectly valid statements, but they kinda lose all effect when you say them all the time, meaning that his interviews do end up being boring and predictable. I'm actually interested to see how he does in the debates, because he doesn't seem like the quickest guy and if all he has are pre-rehearsed lines, he might not do too great.

[BamaFanNKy]

What annoys me about him is that he has a distinct set of soundbutes that he uses in EVERY interview that he does. I watched 3 from the day he announced and they were all practically the same! For example:

"We're borrowing $0.43 out of every dollar!"

"We're arresting 1.8 million people a year for drug use, which I like to point out is the population of New Mexico!"

"Half of what we spend on law enforcement and police is drug related!"

All great and perfectly valid statements, but they kinda lose all effect when you say them all the time, meaning that his interviews do end up being boring and predictable. I'm actually interested to see how he does in the debates, because he doesn't seem like the quickest guy and if all he has are pre-rehearsed lines, he might not do too great.

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[BamaFanNKy]

What annoys me about him is that he has a distinct set of soundbutes that he uses in EVERY interview that he does. I watched 3 from the day he announced and they were all practically the same! For example:

"We're borrowing $0.43 out of every dollar!"

"We're arresting 1.8 million people a year for drug use, which I like to point out is the population of New Mexico!"

"Half of what we spend on law enforcement and police is drug related!"

All great and perfectly valid statements, but they kinda lose all effect when you say them all the time, meaning that his interviews do end up being boring and predictable. I'm actually interested to see how he does in the debates, because he doesn't seem like the quickest guy and if all he has are pre-rehearsed lines, he might not do too great.

You mean, he stays on message? *GASP* Maybe that's why he won a statewide race 2 times.

[TCE]

I can agree with someone all day long, but I can still admit when they're unexciting to listen to. He should use this time to get some speech lessons or review all of his interviews to relieve himself of the nervous ticks. I said the same thing about Rand and I still think a speech coach would have helped him.

[MelissaWV]

Staying on message and saying the same thing over and over again are not equal. It can grate on people and make one the butt of jokes.

Even Obama cannot escape the "change" mantra coming back to haunt him, though of course that is blunted by victory. How many times did Rudy evoke "9/11" and how many times has he been mocked for it?

You can talk about the same subjects, and even the same events, in a natural way that doesn't use the exact same catchphrase every time.

[TCE]

Staying on message and saying the same thing over and over again are not equal. It can grate on people and make one the butt of jokes.

Even Obama cannot escape the "change" mantra coming back to haunt him, though of course that is blunted by victory. How many times did Rudy evoke "9/11" and how many times has he been mocked for it?

You can talk about the same subjects, and even the same events, in a natural way that doesn't use the exact same catchphrase every time.

This. Or even extend yourself to six or seven talking points instead of the same three or four. Keep adding oratory weapons to the arsenal.

[sailingaway]

Everyone has a stump speech they trot out. Rand's 11 year old son memorized Rand's.....

But in INTERVIEWS you should respond to the person and have new things to say.

I don't need to beat up on Gary. I do want him out of the polls and don't want to support him in any way. But to be honest, I think he'd be terrible in debates from the interviews I saw.

[libertybrewcity]

Um....... You sure you mean that. After all, isn't Ron's appeal that he has no new ideas.

Actually, I think a lot of his legislation is pure genius. Not only that, but his introduction is often spot on.

Check out his list of legislation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislation_sponsored_by_Ron_Paul

[speciallyblend]

i do not find gary or ron paul boring ! Now if your talking about gop establishment= boring!!

[sparebulb]

Doesn't sound like Gary Johnson is healthy enough to president.

Staff: "Excuse me sir, the emergency hotline phone is ringing."
Johnson: "Take a message, I'm busy pooping, I'll be out in an hour."

No problem. The POTUS travels with a special toilet. POTUS scat is a closely guarded state secret. True story/no shit.

[BamaFanNKy]

Staying on message and saying the same thing over and over again are not equal. It can grate on people and make one the butt of jokes.

Even Obama cannot escape the "change" mantra coming back to haunt him, though of course that is blunted by victory. How many times did Rudy evoke "9/11" and how many times has he been mocked for it?

You can talk about the same subjects, and even the same events, in a natural way that doesn't use the exact same catchphrase every time.

You pointed out he uses the same facts. I hope he doesn't change the facts.

Also, if someone has single digit recognition..... I doubt it's getting boring to the listener since it probably the first time hearing the candidate.

[MelissaWV]

You pointed out he uses the same facts. I hope he doesn't change the facts.

No, someone else pointed out that Gary uses soundbytes (which is not the same as merely using the same facts). There are cliches, and there is knowing your stuff. There are factoids, and there are people who have a deep understanding of the issues they're trying to discuss.

[BamaFanNKy]

No, someone else pointed out that Gary uses soundbytes (which is not the same as merely using the same facts). There are cliches, and there is knowing your stuff. There are factoids, and there are people who have a deep understanding of the issues they're trying to discuss.

You're right. Governor Johnson is a novice. Probably doesn't even know what a veto is. Probably why he used it 750 times and had over 1,000 line item vetos. He's pretty boring as well. Doubt anyone would ever vote for him. Other than the 2 statewide primaries and the 2 statewide generals (with 2-1 democrats).

Seriously, some of you are funny how you say he's not exciting or says the same thing over and over. Have you forgot who's in the White House? That kind of thing works. Frequency and repetition is key in any campaign. People on here are policy wonks. The guy who talks in detail usually loses.

Also, why worry about Gary. He's too young for the GOP (Age of candidate on election day):
McCain 72
George W. Bush 54 (only got it because of connection)
Dole 73
George HW Bush 64
Ron Reagan 69
Median age of last 5 candidates: 66

Gary Johnson will be 59 and Ron will be 77. GOP voters always go for the older version. While POTUS will be 51.

Ron will be the oldest President by 8 years if elected and the only 70 year old (not incumbent)

[Zatch]

Perhaps that's why Gary Johnson needs to be in the debates. It'll give him the perfect stage to expand on his political philosophy and discuss other issues (assuming the moderators give him the right questions, of course). I, personally, would like to hear him talk more about his views on pro-life stuff, because I'm not convinced he's 100% pro-life (even if he does sound boring).

He has openly stated that he is "pro-choice". He did sign a late term abortion ban and parental notification bill into law when he was governor though. He also has said that he believes Roe vs. Wade is unconstitutional and that abortion should be a state issue.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/meet-gary-johnson-ron-paul-2012_520775.html

[TheeJoeGlass]

I like the guy, dont get me wrong. But he puts me to sleep. I dont get inspired with him like do with RP. RP makes me want to go out there and literally fight for the cause of liberty.

No, but, am I the only one that finds Peter Schiff boring?

[libertybrewcity]

No, but, am I the only one that finds Peter Schiff boring?

If you don't have an interest in economics then you would probably find Peter Schiff boring. I find everything he says to be fascinating, one because my interest level is extremely high, and two because he is insanely knowledgeable about the issues he is speaking of.


You pointed out he uses the same facts. I hope he doesn't change the facts.

Also, if someone has single digit recognition..... I doubt it's getting boring to the listener since it probably the first time hearing the candidate.

I'm going to be honest, the first time I heard GJ speak was his speech at RTR MN via youtube. I turned it off because he talks about himself FOREVER.

[BamaFanNKy]

If you don't have an interest in economics then you would probably find Peter Schiff boring. I find everything he says to be fascinating, one because my interest level is extremely high, and two because he is insanely knowledgeable about the issues he is speaking of.

I'm going to be honest, the first time I heard GJ speak was his speech at RTR MN via youtube. I turned it off because he talks about himself FOREVER.

I have an interest in economics but, Schiff's got money yet, his freakin' youtube videos look lower budget than the crap I make. It's hard to watch.

I've watched the R4R speech. It is awful. The Gary I like, is the one in the Reason video.