Krauthammer leaves out the 1st and 3rd place finishers at CPAC. But adds Trump, Gingrich &

[BamaFanNKy]

Rubio?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the_racing_form_2012/2011/04/21/AFT4TxKE_story.html?nav=emailpage

Yep.... while most want to bitch about Johnson here, it's gonna take effort for these two guys to even get ink from the GOP mouth pieces.

[sailingaway]

LOL!

That figures.

[BamaFanNKy]

Seriously, people on here are worried about Johnson..... they should worry about the media.

[sailingaway]

We worry a lot more about the media and a lot more about other candidates, frankly. But no one is saying we should somehow be supporting that media or those other candidates. That is the disconnect.

[BamaFanNKy]

We worry a lot more about the media and a lot more about other candidates, frankly. But no one is saying we should somehow be supporting that media or those other candidates. That is the disconnect.

Really, before Gary even announced people were trouncing him. They trounced him before Ron even announced. Fact is, Ron has not put all his chips in yet and many are cutting their options off quick. Not smart.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Really, before Gary even announced people were trouncing him. They trounced him before Ron even announced. Fact is, Ron has not put all his chips in yet and many are cutting their options off quick. Not smart.

A lot of the anger, I think, stems from the fact that it's the Gary Johnson supporters coming here to a Ron Paul supporter website to promote an opponent of Ron Paul.

You don't see any real number of Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, etc. supporters here promoting their candidate. Only the Johnson ones so far display such audacity. Wonder how long it'll be before they're hitting up Paul supporters here for donations for Johnson.

[HOLLYWOOD]

A plethora of threads on his boy Marco Rubio and why Charles Krauthammer backs nothing but NEOCONS of the warmongering FASCIST state. Of course their Manchurian candidates for 2016 MARCO RUBIO and PAUL RYAN.

Opinions and Assholes everybody has one, thanks for the garbage Krauthammer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rw/WashingtonPost/Content/Staff-Bio/Images/charles-krauthammer-114x80.png
Charles Krauthammer Opinion Writer

Rubio Wimps Out of CPAC
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277544-Rubio-Wimps-Out-Of-CPAC&highlight=RUBIO+CPAC

Rubio Criticizes Rand's proposed Foreign Aid Cuts
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277359-Rubio-criticizes-Rand-s-proposed-foreign-aid-cuts&highlight=RUBIO+CPAC

Marco Rubio on Cavuto attacks Ron and Rand Paul
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?285663-Marco-Rubio-on-Cavuto-attacks-Ron-and-Rand-Paul&highlight=Rubio+Israel

Sen. Rubio (R-FL) Names Former Cheney Aide Chief of Staff
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277147-Sen.-Rubio-%28R-FL%29-Names-Former-Cheney-Aide-Chief-of-Staff&highlight=Rubio+Israel

Tea Party winner Rubio already on his way to Israel
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?267081-Tea-Party-winner-Rubio-already-on-his-way-to-Israel&highlight=Rubio+Israel

[BamaFanNKy]

A lot of the anger, I think, stems from the fact that it's the Gary Johnson supporters coming here to a Ron Paul supporter website to promote an opponent of Ron Paul.

You don't see any real number of Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, etc. supporters here promoting their candidate. Only the Johnson ones so far display such audacity. Wonder how long it'll be before they're hitting up Paul supporters here for donations for Johnson.

"Their supporters come here." FYI, many of the ones who would come here..... were here in the last election. So, when Gary drops out..... you may want those people to feel welcomed. As someone who likes Gary but, is voting for Ron.... I've seen how douche some act for being fair to a candidate. People are even making stuff up about him leaving his wife do to Cancer. That's evil by nature to even infer that.

[BamaFanNKy]

A plethora of threads on his boy Marco Rubio and why Charles Krauthammer backs nothing but NEOCONS of the warmongering FASCIST state. Of course their Manchurian candidates for 2016 MARCO RUBIO and PAUL RYAN.

Opinions and Assholes everybody has one, thanks for the garbage Krauthammer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rw/WashingtonPost/Content/Staff-Bio/Images/charles-krauthammer-114x80.png
Charles Krauthammer Opinion Writer

Rubio Wimps Out of CPAC
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277544-Rubio-Wimps-Out-Of-CPAC&highlight=RUBIO+CPAC

Rubio Criticizes Rand's proposed Foreign Aid Cuts
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277359-Rubio-criticizes-Rand-s-proposed-foreign-aid-cuts&highlight=RUBIO+CPAC

Marco Rubio on Cavuto attacks Ron and Rand Paul
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?285663-Marco-Rubio-on-Cavuto-attacks-Ron-and-Rand-Paul&highlight=Rubio+Israel

Sen. Rubio (R-FL) Names Former Cheney Aide Chief of Staff
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?277147-Sen.-Rubio-%28R-FL%29-Names-Former-Cheney-Aide-Chief-of-Staff&highlight=Rubio+Israel

Tea Party winner Rubio already on his way to Israel
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?267081-Tea-Party-winner-Rubio-already-on-his-way-to-Israel&highlight=Rubio+Israel

Problem, mass of the GOP (those viewing Fox) Love them some Krauthammer.

[JamesButabi]

Intentional exclusion of Ron Paul. Thats terrible and he should be called out.

[nate895]

I don't think Krauthammer knows what axioms are. That's what I got out of the article.

[sailingaway]

Really, before Gary even announced people were trouncing him. They trounced him before Ron even announced. Fact is, Ron has not put all his chips in yet and many are cutting their options off quick. Not smart.

Gary is not an option for me. As you say, I looked into him before there was election pressure. He doesn't do it for me and even the HOPE of Ron running would be sufficient for me. Building an opponent makes the opposition stronger.

[sailingaway]

I've seen how douche some act for being fair to a candidate. People are even making stuff up about him leaving his wife do to Cancer. That's evil by nature to even infer that.

It is evil to do that, if they weren't honestly reporting what they heard, which is entirely possible. People should be careful about stuff like that though, it gets a life of its own simply because it is sensational, then it is really hard to call back.

[speciallyblend]

Paul/Johnson 2012 or reverse or Paul/ insert non-gop establishment/non-neocon vp candidate or the gop will elect obama! bottom line ,mark my words!!!!!!!

[BamaFanNKy]

It is evil to do that, if they weren't honestly reporting what they heard, which is entirely possible.

The only place that appears is in a comment section on the Huffington Post.

[BamaFanNKy]

Gary is not an option for me. As you say, I looked into him before there was election pressure. He doesn't do it for me and even the HOPE of Ron running would be sufficient for me. Building an opponent makes the opposition stronger.

So, who are the other options. Don't be dishonest. For you it's "Ron or Bust." Which is fine. It was for me last time.

[sailingaway]

So, who are the other options. Don't be dishonest. For you it's "Ron or Bust." Which is fine. It was for me last time.

Almost. I'd support Rand, if Ron chose not to run (but I honestly think that decision has already been made.). I wouldn't 'support' Gary, but if no one else were in the race when it came to voting I'd evaluate him against the others in the race. But I don't get excited about that sort of incremental 'better' stuff. If Mary Ruwart won the Libertarian nomination, and Ron didn't win the GOP nomination I might actually SUPPORT her. She and I have some different views but I know clearly where she stands and she inspires the same sort of trust Ron does, from what admittedly little I know about her.

But I think that is speculative to the point if insignificance since everyone now expects Ron to run.

[BamaFanNKy]

Almost. I'd support Rand, if Ron chose not to run (but I honestly think that decision has already been made.). I wouldn't 'support' Gary, but if no one else were in the race when it came to voting I'd evaluate him against the others in the race. But I don't get excited about that sort of incremental 'better' stuff.

But I think that is speculative to the point if insignificance since everyone now expects Ron to run.

Why do you support Rand? He's not Ron. How is Gary different than Rand? Other than Gary thinks Rand's budget didn't go to far and abortion?

[sailingaway]

Rand DOES set out principles and guidelines he won't exceed and so far the only thing he's exceeded is expectations. I would be taking a risk, but so far he has lived up to his billing, and if Ron didn't run, Rand could get the support to make a difference. I would in fact be taking something of a chance, but unlike with Gary, looking into Rand didn't turn me off, it at most raised a couple of questions. And it does in fact make a difference to me that he was brought up by the one man in politics I think has proven his character and resistance to special interests, time and time again, and that Rand has been steeped in the reasons for why that is important.

I don't say everone I support has to be exactly like Ron, but thier character has to clearly be exceptional, and they have to have clearly stated principles they follow consistently as far as I can tell, which principles hit my biggest issues. One of my biggest issues is that I oppose 'squish' in candidates, because the pressures in DC are enormous. Gary's backing by the Kochs media doesn't help there, but it isn't that alone that bothers me, but the lack of any stated/proven principles that would lead me to think he had an institutional defense against letting them push him in the wrong direction.

And Rand DOES believe in the individual being represented at the most local level as I do -- Gary isn't going to have a section on sovereignty on his web page, noting the damaging effect of the WTO and IMF, for example. I don't need the 'founders' stuff, but I need to know what someone's policy will be, and I suspect I'm not going to like Gary's on this position and on foreign policy.

From Rand's website:


The Founding Fathers warned us that foreign alliances sacrifice our independence as a nation. In Thomas Jefferson’s First Inaugural Address, he asserted that America should have “peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.” Yet today, America is often subservient to foreign bodies such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, World Trade Organization (WTO), and the United Nations (UN).
We are a nation of laws. Our allegiance to foreign institutions sacrifices our autonomy as a nation by transferring our legal authority to unelected and unaccountable leaders. Our fiscal, trade, and monetary policy should be in the hands and best interest of We the People. In 1776, our Founding Fathers declared the right of all Americans to direct legal representation. Let’s not give up that right to those who don’t share the same respect for our history and our freedoms.

Rand Paul proposes that America can engage the world in free trade, develop lucrative commercial relationships with other nations, and defend its national interests without funding or joining international organizations. The US Government must answer only to the Constitution and the citizens protected by it.

[BamaFanNKy]

Again.....
Spending: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/spending-and-the-deficit
Taxes: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/economy-and-taxes (discusses foreign intervention)
Education: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/educatio (Preaches Vouchers, local control and ending Dept of Ed)
Sensible drug policy: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/drug-policy-reform (I disagree with him, all drugs should be legal federally. State's can do what they wish)

[sailingaway]

BamaFan, I understand, but that isn't a philosophy that I can predict other issues from, and how far he would compromise to 'get something done'. I don't know how to explain it better than I have.

[BamaFanNKy]

BamaFan, I understand, but that isn't a philosophy that I can predict other issues from, and how far he would compromise to 'get something done'. I don't know how to explain it better than I have.

What are you looking for. I will call his press secretary if you like. It seems all these staffs don't mind clarifying for me.

[IDefendThePlatform]

Back to the subject....


I just sent this to our good friend, Mr. Krauthammer. Man it would be nice to have even 1 or 2 of the major talking heads on Fox News on board. Or I'd even settle for neutral.


Mr. Krauthammer,

I am writing to suggest that you strongly consider including congressman Ron Paul in any future discussion of the 2012 GOP candidates. I read your recent piece, “The Racing Form, 2012” and was very disappointed that you chose to exclude him. He finished with the 4th most delegates in the 2008 primary, despite very unfavorable treatment from most of the mainstream media, including Fox News. He will almost certainly have a better opportunity at the 2012 nomination than several of the candidates that you chose to include, such as Mitch Daniels and Haley Barbour, and is currently polling ahead of Michelle Bachmann as well.

I feel you have chosen to slight Dr. Paul due to a philosophical disagreement with his positions. Having watched you on television, I consider you to be a person of character. But I believe this intentional exclusion to be dishonest and I hope you will reconsider. If I have misjudged you, then I apologize.

Thank you for your time,

[Brian4Liberty]

I am surprised that he didn't mention the younger Quayle, who is now in Congress. Another young neo-conservative in waiting.

[Matt Collins]

Too bad that SCUBA diving accident didn't finish him off. The world would be a better place without him.

[BamaFanNKy]

Too bad that SCUBA diving accident didn't finish him off. The world would be a better place without him.

Really, come on dude. We shouldn't wish death on people.

[speciallyblend]

bottom line reading all this is this! Can someone please name a gop candidate that is strong on national defense,non-interventionist and anti-war,pro civil liberties, and for smaller government. I can only come up with 2 names in the gop primary with any credibility on these issues! Paul/Johnson 2012 ,if there is a non-neocon, or a republican(that wasn't part of the obama/bush dynasty) with at least 2% credibility please give me the name!! I beg you!!!!

[Matt Collins]

Really, come on dude. We shouldn't wish death on people.
Sic semper tyrannis (and their cronies).

[BamaFanNKy]

Sic semper tyrannis (and their cronies).

As a nation we have a less violent way for those people to not be active.