O'Reilly calls for mandatory uniforms in public schools

[cindy25]

in his his opening today

[eduardo89]

I support uniforms, but it should be a school choice, not a government mandate for every school.

[sailingaway]

I think Fox talking heads need to wear uniforms, and we get to design them.

[Kylie]

O'reilly is a douchebag. He was baggin on the decriminalization of a small amount of pot by MA too, earlier.

He wants to tell me how to live. I say, fuck him.

[acptulsa]

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/08/8308-004-6415FD5F.jpg

[eduardo89]

Why do uniforms always have to be Nazi?

http://www.rgs.newcastle.sch.uk/z_core/z_images/content/general/uniform-girls.jpghttp://www.rgs.newcastle.sch.uk/z_core/z_images/content/general/uniform-boys.jpg

[sailingaway]

Government enforced ones always have to be Nazi. It's the law.

[Carehn]

I think Fox talking heads need to wear uniforms, and we get to design them.

Love it, Love it!

[eduardo89]

Enforced ones always have to be Nazi. It's the law.

Oh, I didn't get the memo.

I wore a uniform from grade 2 till my sophmore year of highschool (moved to Germany where uniforms are banned) and I never felt it was Nazi...

[Romulus]

What a dickhead.

[sailingaway]

I had uniforms at one school too. It is up to the school and the parents. But the government should keep to what it knows how to do well.

In fact, they should probably look hard and find an example of that....

[aGameOfThrones]

Puerto Rico has madatory uniforms in public schools.

[AdamT]

Collectivism at it's best.

[South Park Fan]

Is anyone really surprised that O'Reilly is a consistent collectivist?

[low preference guy]

Fascist

[zade]

I support uniforms, but it should be a school choice, not a government mandate for every school.

Why? This is that idea that there are no issues of freedom as long as government isn't involved. Forcing everyone to wear the same thing is offensive to the concept of individualism no matter whether it's the federal government or not.

[Romulus]

Dickheads and Dictators.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

He's been doing that for a while. I used to be an avid Bill Oreilly listener, was even a premium member on his website. SMFH @ myself.

[Legend1104]

It is kind of a moot point to argue against mandatory uniforms in a mandatory attendance school system. If schools were based on choice then mandated uniforms would be fine by me and I certainly do not have a problem with dress codes, but until we give parents and kids a choice again then we are just arguing about the color of the stripes on their prison uniforms.

[daviddee]

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[trey4sports]

While this discussion assumes that schools should even exist... Let's assume they do.

We are referring to people under 18... Who, technically, have no rights. They have no rights because they are children and are under the control of their parents.

School uniforms eliminate the social strata tediosity that make schools more of an "oh look I got a Prada bag" "I can dress like a whore" "I can cross dress and push my transgender agenda" "I can wear my dipshit this and my dipshit that".

If my tax dollars, taken at gun point, are being used to fund these indoctrination camps I would prefer if the children attending got an education over the all important "individuality". Individuality being a farce as children, especially teens, are insecure and do not know where they fit in.

If you take the clothing status bullshit out of the equation... then the only thing the students can use to show how "awesome" they are is the quality of their test scores.

http://www.utternewsense.com/news/uploaded_images/japanese-school-girl-751238.jpg



ahahahahah

[ChaosControl]

Why did someone have to beat me to posting...

Oh well, I like my pic better anyway.

http://geoffropuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/yuko_ogura_12_display.jpg

Granted, our uniforms wouldn't be like this unfortunately. And of course most students are super cute models... so whatever.

[Indy Vidual]

...But the government should keep to what it knows how to do well...

What exactly does the government know how to do well? :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw

[puppetmaster]

While this discussion assumes that schools should even exist... Let's assume they do.

We are referring to people under 18... Who, technically, have no rights. They have no rights because they are children and are under the control of their parents.

School uniforms eliminate the social strata tediosity that make schools more of an "oh look I got a Prada bag" "I can dress like a whore" "I can cross dress and push my transgender agenda" "I can wear my dipshit this and my dipshit that".

If my tax dollars, taken at gun point, are being used to fund these indoctrination camps I would prefer if the children attending got an education over the all important "individuality". Individuality being a farce as children, especially teens, are insecure and do not know where they fit in.

If you take the clothing status bullshit out of the equation... then the only thing the students can use to show how "awesome" they are is the quality of their test scores.

http://www.utternewsense.com/news/uploaded_images/japanese-school-girl-751238.jpg


Never has it been proven that clothing makes better or worse test scores. There are many other factors that need addressing before clothing

[smartguy911]

I like the idea of uniforms. I wore uniform when i was young and i remember polishing my shoes, ironing my shirt, pants etc. In high school, i was free and I can honestly say I got lazy.

I think pretty much all Asian countries require uniforms in schools.

[Feeding the Abscess]

That chick has no ass. Pass.

Anyway. This is nothing, compared to BillO pining for Singapore's police state solution for the drug war.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

I wore a uniform in public school. We thugged it out though. Saggy khaki cargo pants, your latest tennis shoes, polo shirts, or button up shirts with fashionalbe t-shirt under it, fitted cap, chain, bandana..............

[zade]

While this discussion assumes that schools should even exist... Let's assume they do.

We are referring to people under 18... Who, technically, have no rights. They have no rights because they are children and are under the control of their parents.

School uniforms eliminate the social strata tediosity that make schools more of an "oh look I got a Prada bag" "I can dress like a whore" "I can cross dress and push my transgender agenda" "I can wear my dipshit this and my dipshit that".

If my tax dollars, taken at gun point, are being used to fund these indoctrination camps I would prefer if the children attending got an education over the all important "individuality". Individuality being a farce as children, especially teens, are insecure and do not know where they fit in.

If you take the clothing status bullshit out of the equation... then the only thing the students can use to show how "awesome" they are is the quality of their test scores.

http://www.utternewsense.com/news/uploaded_images/japanese-school-girl-751238.jpg

Interesting you say people under 18 "technically" have no rights. This is the ambiguity of statements about rights. You make that assertion as if it's absolutely accepted, when just the other day there was a poll on here, something like "when does a person gain full rights?" and "conception" got the most votes. I think that's just as absurd, but I argue that there's no such thing as "rights" anyway, not naturally anyway, just societal constructs.

You're worried about people wearing what they want in school because they might use it to push some trans-gender agendas? Well I doubt it, but so what? This is just you pushing your own socially conservative agenda. People being allowed to be who they want and dress how they want is not a threat to learning.

And I can also think of a lot of other bullshit things kids could do to show how "awesome" they are, minus the clothing status whatever.

[guitarlifter]

Why? This is that idea that there are no issues of freedom as long as government isn't involved. Forcing everyone to wear the same thing is offensive to the concept of individualism no matter whether it's the federal government or not.

But, assuming that the government isn't involved, it's an agreement upon contract that, if the child is to attend the school, they must wear a uniform. That would be one of the agreements upon the contract in a private school. It's not forcing anyone to wear anything.

Of course, this is assuming that the child has rights. This is still up for debate.

EDIT: And yeah, that chick definitely has no muscle tone. In the bodybuilding world, we call that being "skinny fat." She's "thin" in terms of body part circumferences, but, in reality, she's probably at least 25% BF, if not 30% or more, and she has no muscle mass or muscle tone whatsoever. A little muscle is attractive in a girl.

[cindy25]

the purpose of a uniform is to end individuality.

[daviddee]

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[daviddee]

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[anaconda]

I'm glad I no longer contribute to O'reilly's ratings (I did until 2004). He is a most repulsive man. My two favorites (tie):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU-XN5kuoKE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BAFb97L3KU

[SimpleName]

the purpose of a uniform is to end individuality.

thats it!

[anaconda]

Does O'reilly ever stop and say to himself: "Wow, I really am a shameless propaganda yes man tool without an iota of self respect?

[eduardo89]

the purpose of a uniform is to end individuality.

I wore a uniform for every year of school except the last two and I never felt wearing one detracted from my individuality. If anything it was something that gave me a sense of pride and belonging during s really insecure time (adolescence). At the same time, i still felt my individuality, even though i was dressed the same as my classmates, i knew i was my own person, with my own strenghts and my own ambitions

Going to a really strict school where the uniform was something important also made sure I learned to take care of my physical appearance. Shirt always clean and ironed, shoes polished, tie straight...That's something I feel quite a few Ron Paul supporters lack, especially when representing Ron Paul, which gives thr movement a sort of aura of unprofessionalism which makes it hard for many people to take a seriously.

do I think uniforms are for everyone? No probably not. Do I think they should be state mandated? Absolutely no. Will I send my daughter to a school with a uniform? most probably.

[Pericles]

We can have this model

http://www.btls.com/wp-content/uploads/1972.jpg

or maybe this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Sov-pioneer-tajikistan.jpg/400px-Sov-pioneer-tajikistan.jpg

On the other side, we have

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/bookyoutharoundah09.jpg

And I have personal experience with this model

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?PHPSESSID=28f1c44e9c01909cb95aa22764911a 8a&action=dlattach;topic=34427.0;attach=30257;image

[ItsTime]

Just a big government hypocrite

[ChaosControl]

the purpose of a uniform is to end individuality.

No it isn't.

[Dr.3D]

What a dickhead.


Dickheads and Dictators.

I believe his term is pinhead.


What exactly does the government know how to do well? :p



I would guess it knows how to get bigger pretty well.

[CoreyBowen999]

The purpose of uniforms in my area is to avoid any distractions in our schools. Sadly, this does quell individuality.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

There is no such thing as public schools -- they are Government-Schools. Is it any wonder that Schools are run like a hive? Obedient, slave-like, un-thinking. I am surprised this isn't more widespread as is.

[tangent4ronpaul]

It seems like students, in high school, anyway, dress themselves in uniforms by click - your jocks and jockets more for uniformity in sportsware, your goths in all black to express their "individuality" by all looking exactly the same, the heads are more diverse in attire and more creative as are the art nerds, even the science nerds have a certain uniform.

As to distracting, and horribly inappropriate, I was reminded of this quip from an article about why do parents buy kids this stuff:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/19/granderson.children.dress/


I saw someone at the airport the other day who really caught my eye.

Her beautiful, long blond hair was braided back a la Bo Derek in the movie "10" (or for the younger set, Christina Aguilera during her "Xtina" phase). Her lips were pink and shiny from the gloss, and her earrings dangled playfully from her lobes.

You can tell she had been vacationing somewhere warm, because you could see her deep tan around her midriff thanks to the halter top and the tight sweatpants that rested just a little low on her waist. The icing on the cake? The word "Juicy" was written on her backside.

Yeah, that 8-year-old girl was something to see all right. ... I hope her parents are proud. Their daughter was the sexiest girl in the terminal, and she's not even in middle school yet.

Hay, I like a sexily dressed girl as much as the next guy, but this is REALLY inappropriate. It's driven by TV and advertising, and the turn is surprising. It used to be that you would occasionally run into temper tantrums about a kids life being destroyed if they didn't get that pair of designer jeans or the "in" sneakers. What's being pushed by marketers in this area is inappropriate and distracting - at least at that age point. In short, I think Oreilly has a valid point, but mandatory school uniforms isn't the answer. I don't know what is.

As a middle ground, what do people think about locally established dress codes?

[fisharmor]

If I could get allodial title to my house, and the county couldn't raise taxes somewhere else to make up for that, and if I didn't have to jump through hoops to keep my kids out of there...
...then I couldn't care less what happens in state schools.

[Tal]

Assimilate into the hive citizen.

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt259/Kasper0007/north_korean_military.jpg

[stuntman stoll]

Being that my family wasn't swimming in money, I would have liked uniforms in school.* Though now have a non-work uniform. Blue jeans and white tshirts.

*Not endorsing gubment's meddling

[ChaosControl]

The purpose of uniforms in my area is to avoid any distractions in our schools. Sadly, this does quell individuality.

I could actually agree with this, but I don't think it is a big deal. The insignificant amount of individuality lost from dress differences can be expressed in other manners making it all irrelevant.

So I say have uniforms, but then allow for more individuality in how kids actually learn. Schools are too standardized in teaching, as if people learn in one way.