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hillbilly123069
04-20-2011, 10:43 AM
A couple things that had not occurred to me before occurred to me. Debunk me plz!

NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA (1 of many links)
"Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him."
http://ohlundonline.blogspot.com/2009/10/nobody-remembers-obama-at-columbia.html

WHO IS BARACK OBAMA? DOES ANYONE REALLY KNOW!(again 1 of many links)
"According to the 2000 U.S. Census, there was only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases."
http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_29980.php

The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is never reported to have lived.
I would point out that you are assigned a number directly corresponding to the state of your birth.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/profile.php?member=Orville_Brettman

Krugerrand
04-20-2011, 10:52 AM
A couple things that had not occurred to me before occurred to me. Debunk me plz!

NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA (1 of many links)
"Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him."
http://ohlundonline.blogspot.com/2009/10/nobody-remembers-obama-at-columbia.html

WHO IS BARACK OBAMA? DOES ANYONE REALLY KNOW!(again 1 of many links)
"According to the 2000 U.S. Census, there was only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases."
http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_29980.php

The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is never reported to have lived.
I would point out that you are assigned a number directly corresponding to the state of your birth.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/profile.php?member=Orville_Brettman

I bet you get a whole lot more than 400 people at my university that do not remember me.

I didn't follow the second point.

Personally, I think he's simply CIA grown as has been (again, my opinion) every president after Regan.

ChaosControl
04-20-2011, 11:05 AM
Obama doesn't really exist.
My theory is the president is a robot programmed by george soros!

sailingaway
04-20-2011, 11:07 AM
I thought this was going to be a joke thread.

I was going to mention an Onion article I saw yesterday about the 'afterbirthers' wanting to see his placenta....

I don't think people should make fun of people who still have questions, different people want different levels of proof to be convinced, ABSOLUTE proof has not been given, and for such an incredibly nosy president (wanting all our emails etc), he sure as hell goes to lengths to hide his OWN background. And I do think trying to shut people down by embarrassing them is wrong. But maybe we should consider moving this to hot topics.

If someone took a screenshot of a bunch of threads on this topic it could be embarrassing to Ron's campaign. Not that he'd condemn anyone for having questions, but we don't want him asked about this sort of thread on interviews, either.

VBRonPaulFan
04-20-2011, 11:08 AM
A couple things that had not occurred to me before occurred to me. Debunk me plz!

NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA (1 of many links)
"Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him."
http://ohlundonline.blogspot.com/2009/10/nobody-remembers-obama-at-columbia.html

WHO IS BARACK OBAMA? DOES ANYONE REALLY KNOW!(again 1 of many links)
"According to the 2000 U.S. Census, there was only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases."
http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_29980.php

The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is never reported to have lived.
I would point out that you are assigned a number directly corresponding to the state of your birth.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/profile.php?member=Orville_Brettman

just to clear up the SS# thing... that's how it used to be - but that's not how it is anymore. i'm not sure exactly when they stopped assigning the SS# based on where you were born though.

virgil47
04-20-2011, 01:22 PM
just to clear up the SS# thing... that's how it used to be - but that's not how it is anymore. i'm not sure exactly when they stopped assigning the SS# based on where you were born though.

I believe the change occurred in 2010 or 2011 after it was revealed that Obama's SS# was from a state he has never lived in.

Krugerrand
04-20-2011, 01:28 PM
I believe the change occurred in 2010 or 2011 after it was revealed that Obama's SS# was from a state he has never lived in.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

hillbilly123069
04-20-2011, 01:42 PM
My brother was born after that and still contains the 1st 3 #'s the same as mine. I just love the policies adopted to further confuse the curious eye.
And Barry's pic was never apparently taken for any class photos or alumni books. I just find this completely out of the ordinary.

jrskblx125
04-20-2011, 01:47 PM
meh i didnt take a college picture for the yearbook... not too many students do... unless things were different back then??

roho76
04-20-2011, 02:22 PM
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

Obama was born in '61'.

Freedom 4 all
04-20-2011, 02:55 PM
I won't speculate on the likelihood of all this, but I will say that this would make excellent material for trolling the shit out of left-wing atheist forums and individuals.

libertyjam
04-20-2011, 03:00 PM
I bet you get a whole lot more than 400 people at my university that do not remember me.

I didn't follow the second point.

Personally, I think he's simply CIA grown as has been (again, my opinion) every president after Regan.

Don't Forget Gerald Ford was a CIA man, Johnson was a supporter and good friend of all the top CIA goons, Carter had his own CIA ties some argue, Reagan was either part of the group or very friendly to them as well.

In connetion to this, how many saw that Wayne Madsen is leaving the country because he was told he was marked to be one of those US citizens that the president could have assassinated at any time? The reason being Wayne reported and uncovered the CIA ties of the Obama family and the CIA fiction that is his life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr3yRXjlLDw&feature=player_embedded

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...assassinations\

Let me introduce you to this Friend Of Ours, Obama links to the CIA Mafia?
http://www.firetown.com/blog/2011/04/19/wayne-madsen-obama%E2%80%99s-cia-connections-part-i-and-ii/

hillbilly123069
04-21-2011, 06:52 AM
I just think if there is something he doesnt want people to see, such as his birth cert. hiding a criminal history for a job would be good incentive to blow 2 million to hide my past.

Krugerrand
04-21-2011, 07:02 AM
Don't Forget Gerald Ford was a CIA man, Johnson was a supporter and good friend of all the top CIA goons, Carter had his own CIA ties some argue, Reagan was either part of the group or very friendly to them as well.

In connetion to this, how many saw that Wayne Madsen is leaving the country because he was told he was marked to be one of those US citizens that the president could have assassinated at any time? The reason being Wayne reported and uncovered the CIA ties of the Obama family and the CIA fiction that is his life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr3yRXjlLDw&feature=player_embedded

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...assassinations\

Let me introduce you to this Friend Of Ours, Obama links to the CIA Mafia?
http://www.firetown.com/blog/2011/04/19/wayne-madsen-obama%E2%80%99s-cia-connections-part-i-and-ii/

It sure seems like Regan pre-assassination attempt and post-assassination attempt were quite different. My guess - he learned to listen more closely to what his VP was saying.

BlackTerrel
04-21-2011, 09:08 AM
Obama is the smoke monster

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 09:46 AM
Social Security Number: 042-68-4425
State of Issuance: Connecticut
Approx. Date of Issuance: 1976 And 1977
Issuance Status: According to the SSA, this SSN has been issued.
SSA Death Masterfile: No record as of 10-01-2010


Obama: Born 1961, in Hawaii, never lived in Conn. Obama lived in Hawaii from 1971-1979, so how did he end up with a Connecticut SSN, if he was in high school at this time in Hawaii? This doesn't make sense to me...

Krugerrand
04-21-2011, 09:48 AM
Social Security Number: 042-68-4425
State of Issuance: Connecticut
Approx. Date of Issuance: 1976 And 1977
Issuance Status: According to the SSA, this SSN has been issued.
SSA Death Masterfile: No record as of 10-01-2010


Obama: Born 1961, in Hawaii, never lived in Conn. This doesn't make sense to me...

did he ever work for a company in Connecticut? If he didn't have a SSN before then, he could have applied for one when starting a job.

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 09:49 AM
did he ever work for a company in Connecticut? If he didn't have a SSN before then, he could have applied for one when starting a job.

He was 16 when this number was issue. He was in high school in Hawaii, living with his grandparents. There's no evidence he was in Connecticut.

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 09:51 AM
One thing I found when googling this is that his zip code in Hawaii was 96814, and the zip code 06814 is from Connecticut. Could be a clerical error that gave him the wrong number in the end?

Although this seems unlikely, because the people working at the SSA where he got the number would probably realize the mistake right away and get him a new number....no?

Krugerrand
04-21-2011, 09:58 AM
One thing I found when googling this is that his zip code in Hawaii was 96814, and the zip code 06814 is from Connecticut. Could be a clerical error that gave him the wrong number in the end?

Although this seems unlikely, because the people working at the SSA where he got the number would probably realize the mistake right away and get him a new number....no?

If somebody were using zipcodes for that, they'd only be looking at the first 3 digits.

ravedown
04-21-2011, 10:02 AM
ive heard wayne allen root mention many times that he was in the same graduating class as obama-yet he has no recollection of him and had never seen or heard his name while at columbia. not exactly a smoking gun but the guy became president and no one at columbia remembers him?

nate895
04-21-2011, 10:06 AM
Although this seems unlikely, because the people working at the SSA where he got the number would probably realize the mistake right away and get him a new number....no?

Once you are assigned a Social Security number, it is difficult to get a new one. There is a whole process put in place, so if that is the way he got the Connecticut SSN, it could have been simply too annoying to change it and simply not worth the effort.

I personally think that he is almost certainly a natural born citizen of the United States based on jus sanguinis at the very outside. However, all of these questions about his background do make him, at the very least, untrustworthy.

nate895
04-21-2011, 10:08 AM
ive heard wayne allen root mention many times that he was in the same graduating class as obama-yet he has no recollection of him and had never seen or heard his name while at columbia. not exactly a smoking gun but the guy became president and no one at columbia remembers him?

Yeah, I know that at a large school there probably would be 400 people who never recall meeting him, or only heard about him the school paper once or twice. However, to randomly call 400 people who were in his class (unless they chose a bunch of people who lived at the opposite end of campus and had totally unrelated majors) and not have a single one of them remember is highly unlikely.

Edit: I just did some math in relation to my school. I have spent 4 days actually on the campus (and will probably spend the next two years there). I met and spent a significant amount of time (for 4 days at least) with 12 people out of a student body of ~12,000, that's ~1/1,000. That means that after 4 days it would take calling only 1,000 people to have a high likelihood of talking to someone who met me during my time there. In four years, it would be impossible to not get that number up to 400.

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 10:10 AM
I personally think that he is almost certainly a natural born citizen of the United States based on jus sanguinis at the very outside. However, all of these questions about his background do make him, at the very least, untrustworthy.

Jus sanguinis does not confer natural born status. Only jus soli does.

AuH20
04-21-2011, 10:14 AM
Obama definitely has a sinister past. Not many 20 year olds would be on a speaking terms with Afghani Resistance mastermind Zbigniew Brzezinski while at Columbia. But he can deftly blend into the hysterical camouflage that his detractors routinely throw his way, Marxist, Muslim Fundamentalist, Lizardman. You name it he's been called it. He almost is insulated from credible attacks because of all the hyperbole.

nate895
04-21-2011, 10:21 AM
Jus sanguinis does not confer natural born status. Only jus soli does.

Because the U.S. used to have slavery, this is patently false. Natural born citizenship has been conferred on people by blood from the time of the Roman Empire. The main point in common law in relation to natural born citizenship is that one of the parents must be loyal to the government. There is no evidence that Obama's mother at the time of his birth was disloyal to the U.S. government. Unless she was engaged in an attempt to renounce her citizenship or was in the act of treason, Obama was born under the protection of the U.S. government.

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 10:26 AM
Because the U.S. used to have slavery, this is patently false. Natural born citizenship has been conferred on people by blood from the time of the Roman Empire. The main point in common law in relation to natural born citizenship is that one of the parents must be loyal to the government. There is no evidence that Obama's mother at the time of his birth was disloyal to the U.S. government. Unless she was engaged in an attempt to renounce her citizenship or was in the act of treason, Obama was born under the protection of the U.S. government.

I meant natural born citizen under US citizenship law. Only those born on US soil are natural born citizens. Yes, there is a jus sanguinis provision in the law, but those who receive citizenship that way are not considered natural born citizens of the United States.

Citizenship at birth is not the same as natural born citizen.

nate895
04-21-2011, 10:33 AM
I meant natural born citizen under US citizenship law. Only those born on US soil are natural born citizens. Yes, there is a jus sanguinis provision in the law, but those who receive citizenship that way are not considered natural born citizens of the United States.

Citizenship at birth is not the same as natural born citizen.

No, the U.S. Constitution does not say who is a natural born citizen. There is no written statute or written organic law definition of who is a natural born citizen. That means the question must be resolved via common law tradition (and statute cannot override common law tradition anyway). Common law tradition is clear on the matter: Anyone born to a loyal free person of a government is a natural born citizen, born under the protection of that government. Anyone born under the protection of a government is a natural born citizen of that government. The fact that Obama has a short form birth certificate and a newspaper announcement of his birth in the U.S. is sufficient proof that his mother was a loyal citizen whose child was born, by right of birth, a citizen of Hawaii and the United States.

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 10:40 AM
The US Constitution does not say what is a natural born citizen, but the 14th Amendment gives Congress the power to determine citizenship laws. Which it has. Title 8, Chapter 13 of the US code states who is a natural born citizen.

nate895
04-21-2011, 10:46 AM
The US Constitution does not say what is a natural born citizen, but the 14th Amendment gives Congress the power to determine citizenship laws. Which it has. Title 8, Chapter 13 of the US code states who is a natural born citizen.

No, Article I Section 8 gives the U.S. Congress power over naturalization, which is what Title 8, Chapter 13 is about. The 14th amendment only says that anyone born on U.S. soil is entitled to all the privileges of citizenship. The 14th amendment does not override previous common law principles. It only extended those rights to former slaves. That does not change the fundamental common law principle that the children of loyal citizens of the state are natural born citizens.

HOLLYWOOD
04-21-2011, 11:03 AM
I just think if there is something he doesnt want people to see, such as his birth cert. hiding a criminal history for a job would be good incentive to blow 2 million to hide my past. Weren't there government employee(s) arrested for accessing/viewing Obama's SS account info?

Hears a nice snapshot of timelines, processes, and action of the Obama/Social Security scandal.
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/obamas-fraudulent-social-security-numbers/


Obama’s Fraudulent Social Security Numbers!

Posted on April 15, 2011 (http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/obamas-fraudulent-social-security-numbers/)
Posted with Permission

http://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/stanley-ann-dunham-signature-ss-card1.jpg?w=454&h=256 (http://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/stanley-ann-dunham-signature-ss-card1.jpg)
IT’S THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER STUPID! (http://www.t-room.us/2011/04/its-the-social-security-number-stupid/)

By Helen Tansey
The Obama nativity scavenger hunt continues to capture the attention of many citizens here in the US, as well as abroad, but what is flying under the radar, and cannot be disputed, is Obama’s use of a Social Security Number (SSN) issued in the spring of 1977 with it first appearing on his Selective Service Registration of which he applied on September 4, 1980.
There are serious problems with this SSN with the first being it appears to have been originally assigned to another individual born in 1890, and secondly, when verified using several Social Security Administration verifying databases it is rejected as “NOT FOUND IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY INDEX”, and finally it is a Connecticut issued SSN; a state in which Obama was not living in at the age of 15. This SSN has been tied to Obama’s State Senate and US Senate offices and his private residents, as well as land line phone numbers since coming stateside to attend Occidental College in California.
Now that Donald Trump has crowned himself a “birther” he too is making it abundantly clear to any and all who will dare listen that the digital Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is meaningless, because it is and always has been, but he needs to widen his scope of interest to include the oddities permeating around the President’s Social Security Number. For nearly two years now, the SSN peculiarities have percolated just below the dubious Certification of Live Birth, and it it has yet to bubble up to the top as being more significant in undoing the fabricated tale Bill Ayers wove together in Obama’s two autobiographies.
More importantly, you can’t change a SSN record, but you can certainly create a long-form birth certificate just in time for the 2012 elections. Which is what many are anticipating, and now with Donald Trump entering the fray you can count on such a document entering into the public arena and soon. After all, anyone who has studied this issue knows the Obama camps next step is to embarrass the “birthers” by producing a long-form birth certificate. That would be checkmate wouldn’t it? Of course, it will be a scanned copy just like the COLB, because it will never hold up under the scrutiny of an independent forensic review team of experts, that is someone other than his former employer, the Annenberg’s; so get ready for a repeat of a similar ruse coming to a computer screen near you.
There is good news though, and that is, thanks to the tenaciousness of many professional and amateur investigators, who appear to be working independently of one another, have created a hard trail of solid evidence that cannot be undone. As a matter of record, these investigators have only just begun their work; especially into the many different addresses that are associated with Obama’s SSN.
One of these tenacious investigators, Susan Daniels, recently granted the T-Room an exclusive interview which can be heard in full by clicking “Full Story” below.
The REAL STORY – The Fraudulent Social Security Number – An Exclusive T-Room Interview w/Private Investigator, Susan Daniels

For 16 years, Susan Daniels, Private Investigator, License #201021001759, has been employing her investigative skills sleuthing for lawyers, other investigators, law enforcement professionals and private individuals in and around the state of Ohio. She is the sole proprietor of Susan Daniels & Associates located in Northern Ohio. As a licensed investigator she is privy and has access to numerous databases used by law enforcement officials which remain largely unavailable to the public.
Frustrated with the direction Obama was taking the country, Daniels at the urging of a client put her skills to work to investigate President Obama. She began this journey by entering the keywords “Barack Obama, Chicago, Illinois,” into a number of exclusive databases. The first few searches did not provide any information, however several smaller and more obscure databases did. One in particular provided Obama’s Social Security Number (SSN), 042-XX-4425, along with 105 records detailing numerous addresses and land-line phone numbers associated with him and his SSN for more than 25 years. Immediately, as Daniels describes in her interview, she knew the number was fraudulent. We’ll leave it to her to explain why.
But first, to get the most out of this 35 minute interview, you will need to do some sleuthing on your own. To begin your own investigative work click here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52844374/People-Search-105-Records-for-Barack-Hussein-Obama)to see the unredacted Standard People Search to review the 105 records associated with the keywords “Barack Obama, Chicago Illinois”. These records serve as an excellent starting point for those interested in doing some sleuthing, and for those that aren’t, the papers give you an idea of how busy Obama was while community organizing in Chi-town.
Daniels was able to verify this SSN was issued at one time and to another individual, AND when it was run through different verifiers by her and other sleuths, she/they received these messages “SSN not found in Social Security Death Index” and “SSN not on file (never issued)” – click here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52790999/Social-Security-Number-Verifier) and here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52790947/Social-Security-Number-Verification-System) to see the SSN verifier records.
Next, Daniels began looking into the SSN listed immediately before and after Obama’s number so as to pin down an exact date of issuance. She learned that the individual associated with the number immediately before Obama’s, 042-XX-4424, had passed away. Knowing any expectation of privacy regarding SSNs become moot when a person dies, the individuals parents were tracked down to confirm his place of residence at the time of his original application aka SS-5. The residence listed on the deceased’s original application is Newington, Hartford, CT. Application date March 21, 1977 – click here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52790199/Adjacent-SSN-to-Obama) to review the original SSA form SS-5 Application.
Daniels also secured from another associate a “Certification” by the Social Security Administrations, Division of Earnings Record Operations, Office of Central Operations, certifying “that the annexed computer prinouts showing the dates the information was recorded are true and complete copies of such documents in my custody for Social Security Number 042-XX-4424…” click here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52790199/Adjacent-SSN-to-Obama)and scroll down to second page to see the Social Security Certification.
Let’s pause for a moment to review what Daniels with the assistance of other interested parties has confirmed so far -


FACT – the SSN President Obama used between 1980 – 2008 was issued in or around March 21, 1977.
FACT – the SSN immediately preceding President Obama’s was certified by the Social Security Administration to be “true and complete”.
FACT – the SSN was issued in the state of Connecticut.
FACT - Social Security Administration cannot verify the SSN President Obama used between 1980 – 2008.

No where in Obama’s books, writings or interviews does he state he lived in Connecticut when he was a 15 year old – do the math, Obama’s DOB is August 4, 1961 and the date the SSN was issued was in or around March 21, 1977. If we are to believe Obama, all of his eyewitnesses, his family and friends, we know for a fact he was attending High School in Hawaii in the spring of 1977.
So the obvious question is – how in blue blazes did Obama get a Connecticut SSN when he was obviously living in Hawaii when he filled out his SSA form SS-5 Application form? Well, you can’t very well blame this oddity on the Social Security Administration. Prior to the “new” language which currently states, “This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security Office.” Well, we know Obama was shooting hoops in Hawaii in the spring of 1977, so he certainly didn’t walk into a Social Security office in Connecticut. What is more useful is the language used prior to this “new” language change, which details precisely how a SSN is assigned (http://ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) -
Number Has Three Parts
The nine-digit SSN is composed of three parts:


The first set of three digits is called the Area Number
The second set of two digits is called the Group Number
The final set of four digits is the Serial Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office.
Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant’s mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Again, how did Obama receive a Connecticut SSN at the age of 15 when he was body surfing the waves thousands of miles away in Hawaii?
Daniels provides the answer along with additional facts in her interview linked below, but before we tune in, there is a new very intentional and deliberate item of disinformation that has surfaced recently. Daniels addresses this purposeful disinformation item in her interview as well, which is the silly notion that the SSN Obama has been using since he was 15 years old is actually an Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN). Big clue, IT’S NOT! This is pure rubbish AND purposeful, deliberate and intentional disinformation. DO NOT FALL FOR IT.
Here’s why – according to IRS Agent w/ID # 4331084 all ITIN’s begin with the number “9″. He then referred me toPublication 1915 (revised 11-2010), Page 5, (http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1915.pdf) where it states -
What is an ITIN? An ITIN is a tax processing number, issued by the Internal Revenue Service, for certain resident and nonresident aliens, their spouses, and their dependents. It is a nine-digit number beginning with the number “9”, has a range of numbers from “70” to “88” for the fourth and fifth digits and is formatted like a SSN (i.e. 9XX-7X-XXXX).
The SSN issued by the Social Security Administration is a tax ID as is the ITIN issued by the Internal Revenue Service. These two agencies identify and collect tax monies based on these unique nine-digit identifiers. Do you honestly believe for a millisecond that the IRS and SSA numeric system would use the same numbering system? The answer is an emphatic NO! Plus, this numerical assignment has ALWAYS BEEN the IRS’s practice, that is, ALL ITIN’S BEGIN WITH THE NUMBER ’9′
Now, let’s learn the details from a real investigator who knows what the hell she’s talking about. (Note: below the interview, you will find additional documents and websites to assist you in your research.)
Without further adieu, here’s Susan Daniels in her own words -
The T-Room Exclusive Interview with Susan Daniels, Private Investigator
(http://www.t-room.us/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/SDInterview.mp3)
UPDATE X1: It has been suggested by other bloggers that a Jean Ludwig was the original assignee to the SSN Obama is associated with in this post. The T-Room makes no claim, whatsoever (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52790212/773-phone-number-2), as to who may have been the original registrant. However, Daniels did a database search which clearly shows this Jean Ludwig’s SSN has no relation to the SSN Obama has/is using. Click here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/53023338/Jean-Ludwig-SSN-Record) to see the People Search record.
Additional Research Documents:
SSS Form 3B (May-07) (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52790910/Selective-Service-Registration-Letter)
Record from old phone number used by President Obama with 1890 date on it. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/52790212/773-phone-number-2)
Additional Research Websites:
Counsel for DNC Services Corporation Performs 3 Card Monte* for Federal Court (http://jbjd.org/2009/11/23/counsel-for-dnc-services-corporation-performs-3-card-monte-for-federal-court/)
EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama’s Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/)
Some of Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama Soetoro’s Passport Application Records Are Released due to Strunk FOIA Filing – (http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/07/breaking-stanley-ann-dunhamobamasoetoro.html)
Revised Analysis here. (http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/updaterecap-obama-stepfather-lolo.html)FOIA update (9/8/10) can be viewed here. (http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/09/strunk-v-department-of-state-update.html)

hillbilly123069
04-21-2011, 12:19 PM
Beautiful Hollywood!

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 12:34 PM
That was a good read.

But where can I see the interview? The link is dead :(

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 12:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZlaIS5o9Vs

Bruno
04-21-2011, 12:42 PM
Obama is the smoke monster

As usual, you add nothing to the discussion.

anaconda
04-21-2011, 03:38 PM
I believe the change occurred in 2010 or 2011 after it was revealed that Obama's SS# was from a state he has never lived in.

Obama is like 9-11. He is a symptom. Not the overarching issue. The truth about both would open more peoples' eyes but both would result in a war between more liberty and more government regulation. The fact is we need to sweep all of this mischief out of government. Busting this person or that person along the way only results in people getting thrown under the bus, finger pointing, more lying rhetoric, and more big government proposals. I say end the Fed and you'll be much closer to finding out who Obama is and who was responsible for 9-11. And closer to putting an end to this nonsense we call government. I mean, how much did the Church Commission ultimately help us? The bulk of the evil apparatus remained. The truth about Obama would just shuffle a few people around in various jobs. We need to cut out the cancer.

BlackTerrel
04-21-2011, 08:19 PM
As usual, you add nothing to the discussion.

There is nothing to add. The thread is asking if Obama exists?

The thread is a joke hence I made a joke.

malkusm
04-21-2011, 08:23 PM
There is no evidence that this thread exists.

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 08:26 PM
There is no evidence that this thread exists.

I have a screenshot

torchbearer
04-21-2011, 08:30 PM
There is no evidence that this thread exists.

Your post is photoshopped! :P

Shane Harris
04-21-2011, 09:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdYByptC8mY

at the very least he has openly lied about his birthdate. in the above video he claims that if it wasnt for the 1965 civil rights march in selma alabama he never wouldve been born. but his "official" birthdate is 1961. hmmmm

eduardo89
04-21-2011, 09:13 PM
at the very leats he has openly lied about his birthdate. in the above video he claims that if it wasnt for the 1965 civil rights march in selma alabama he never wouldve been born. but his "official" birthdate is 1961. hmmmm

HAHAHAHA, he doesn't even know when he was supposed to be born? Is he trying to speak more black than usual there?

Bruno
04-21-2011, 09:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdYByptC8mY

at the very least he has openly lied about his birthdate. in the above video he claims that if it wasnt for the 1965 civil rights march in selma alabama he never wouldve been born. but his "official" birthdate is 1961. hmmmm

My goodness, maybe Black Terrel was right! He is a smoke monster!! Or a liar who wasn't born in the U.S.

Shane Harris
04-21-2011, 09:35 PM
one way or another he is a liar. its just a matter of which is the lie and how much is he truly hiding

Pauls' Revere
04-21-2011, 10:12 PM
LOL at the tread title...FANTASTIC. Really he's an empty suit.
:D

idirtify
04-22-2011, 12:03 AM
Tonight, CNN’s Gloria Borger (standing in) on Anderson Cooper 360 introduced the birther issue by calling it a “bogus belief”, and then proceeded to deliver the most biased “report” I’ve seen in a long time; worse than most editorials - more of a rant, complete with all the old familiar insults like “crazy”, “insane”, “bigots”, etc. If I wanted to see this kind of journalism, I might as well tune into Kadhafi or Chinese State television. I mean I have seen a lot of government propaganda and default deference to power and liberal bias in the MSM, but this is reaching brand new levels. I continue to be amazed at the phenomenon surrounding the birther issue, and I’m not talking about the issue of Obama’s citizenship; I’m talking about the strange fanaticism of the opposition to the issue. I mean I watch the opposition’s behavior and I wonder what the hell is going on. What am I missing? Are all these people wired in to some kind of hypnotic Obama program that I can’t hear, or are they just highly invested in his presidency? I don’t get all this radicalism in response to a legitimate question about a constitutional qualification. And if anything, the extreme defensiveness demonstrated by the opposition only serves to make their hero look more suspicious.

BlackTerrel
04-22-2011, 12:12 AM
HAHAHAHA, he doesn't even know when he was supposed to be born? Is he trying to speak more black than usual there?

Does he usually speak black?

This stuff doesn't help.

torchbearer
04-22-2011, 12:32 AM
Does he usually speak black?

This stuff doesn't help.

does he usually speak "ebonics"/broken english/street otherwise known worldwide as black?
if you studied phenomonology you'd understand what a person is saying a lot better.
you don't have to have dark skin to speak it, but people with dark skin are in a higher ratio in the culture of people who do speak "black". that is why the term is used. it does not presuppose that everyone with dark skin speaks that way, nor does it presuppose that a person who uses the term to describe such type of speech is a racist dickhole.
though it may say a lot about the person who takes offense to it.

low preference guy
04-22-2011, 12:34 AM
though it may say a lot about the person who takes offense to it.

i had a thought somewhat related to it. why do so many of BlackTerrel's posts seem to be obsessed about race?

Don Lapre
04-22-2011, 12:50 AM
Tonight, CNN’s Gloria Borger (standing in) on Anderson Cooper 360 introduced the birther issue by calling it a “bogus belief”, and then proceeded to deliver the most biased “report” I’ve seen in a long time; worse than most editorials - more of a rant, complete with all the old familiar insults like “crazy”, “insane”, “bigots”, etc. If I wanted to see this kind of journalism, I might as well tune into Kadhafi or Chinese State television. I mean I have seen a lot of government propaganda and default deference to power and liberal bias in the MSM, but this is reaching brand new levels. I continue to be amazed at the phenomenon surrounding the birther issue, and I’m not talking about the issue of Obama’s citizenship; I’m talking about the strange fanaticism of the opposition to the issue. I mean I watch the opposition’s behavior and I wonder what the hell is going on. What am I missing? Are all these people wired in to some kind of hypnotic Obama program that I can’t hear, or are they just highly invested in his presidency? I don’t get all this radicalism in response to a legitimate question about a constitutional qualification. And if anything, the extreme defensiveness demonstrated by the opposition only serves to make their hero look more suspicious.

Great post!

I've been in utter amazement ('though I probably shouldn't be) at the way the opposition to truthful disclosure has gone about covering this.

Name calling and reporting of BLATANT falsehoods are their habit.

Just completely disgusting.

White Bear Lake
04-22-2011, 01:05 AM
If it were just the birth certificate I'd dismiss this but seriously:

-No college transcripts
-Connecticut ssn but he's never lived a day in Connecticut
-Over 400 people at Columbia had never heard of him
-Won't release long form birth certificate
-One big shot guy, a pre-law/poli sci major (same as Obama's major) who graduated in the same year at Columbia can't recall ever hearing about him
-Was on the Harvard law review but never wrote one law review
-Has a law degree but never even attempted to take the bar (could it be he wouldn't have passed the background check?)
-SSN was released in 1977 when Obama was born in 1961
-Goofy stuff going on with his selective service registration
-Lots of evidence Bill Ayers ghost wrote his book
(read this: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html)
-Left Occidental on drugs (his claim in his book) and almost no record of him for years afterwards)
-Went to grade school in Indonesia
-No record of anything he's ever written other than a freshman year poem and we're supposed to believe he just penned two amazing novels
-Has had atleast a few different names in his life
-Funny house deals with Resko
-From Chicago which is this country's capital of corruption and he's certainly friends with all the big players there

And that's just off the top of my head.

Don Lapre
04-22-2011, 01:09 AM
If it were just the birth certificate I'd dismiss this but seriously:

-No college transcripts
-Connecticut ssn but he's never lived a day in Connecticut
-Over 400 people at Columbia had never heard of him
-Won't release long form birth certificate
-One big shot guy, a pre-law/poli sci major (same as Obama's major) who graduated in the same year at Columbia can't recall ever hearing about him
-Was on the Harvard law review but never wrote one law review
-Has a law degree but never even attempted to take the bar (could it be he wouldn't have passed the background check?)
-SSN was released in 1977 when Obama was born in 1961
-Goofy stuff going on with his selective service registration
-Lots of evidence Bill Ayers ghost wrote his book
(read this: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html)
-Left Occidental on drugs (his claim in his book) and almost no record of him for years afterwards)
-Went to grade school in Indonesia
-No record of anything he's ever written other than a freshman year poem and we're supposed to believe he just penned two amazing novels
-Has had atleast a few different names in his life
-Funny house deals with Resko
-From Chicago which is this country's capital of corruption and he's certainly friends with all the big players there

And that's just off the top of my head.

You must be a bigot.

teacherone
04-22-2011, 01:10 AM
If it were just the birth certificate I'd dismiss this but seriously:

-No college transcripts
-Connecticut ssn but he's never lived a day in Connecticut
-Over 400 people at Columbia had never heard of him
-Won't release long form birth certificate
-One big shot guy, a pre-law/poli sci major (same as Obama's major) who graduated in the same year at Columbia can't recall ever hearing about him
-Was on the Harvard law review but never wrote one law review
-Has a law degree but never even attempted to take the bar (could it be he wouldn't have passed the background check?)
-SSN was released in 1977 when Obama was born in 1961
-Goofy stuff going on with his selective service registration
-Lots of evidence Bill Ayers ghost wrote his book
(read this: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html)
-Left Occidental on drugs (his claim in his book) and almost no record of him for years afterwards)
-Went to grade school in Indonesia
-No record of anything he's ever written other than a freshman year poem and we're supposed to believe he just penned two amazing novels
-Has had atleast a few different names in his life
-Funny house deals with Resko
-From Chicago which is this country's capital of corruption and he's certainly friends with all the big players there

And that's just off the top of my head.

and out of your ass.

libertarian4321
04-22-2011, 03:23 AM
ive heard wayne allen root mention many times that he was in the same graduating class as obama-yet he has no recollection of him and had never seen or heard his name while at columbia. not exactly a smoking gun but the guy became president and no one at columbia remembers him?

Columbia has almost 27,000 students. There is a good chance that the vast majority of students who went there would have no memory of him 30 years later.

I'm a couple of years younger than Obama and went to a school with ~6,000 students. I keep in contact with only a handful of them, and doubt more than 100 of them would remember me 26 years later. You don't remember every random guy you took a class with or bumped into once in a while. Even people I knew fairly well at the time- guys in my dorm, guys I played rugby with, guys I took ROTC with, etc- I barely remember most of them, and couldn't name them if I saw an old picture of them. Unless Obama was really outstanding in some way - big man on campus, quarterback of the football team, student council President- it's unlikely that any but his best friends would remember him 30 years later.

Remember, Obama was a transfer student that only went to Columbia for 2 years, making it even less likely that he would have had such an impact that someone would remember him 30 years later.

If Fox interviewed 400 students at my undergrad school, there's a very good chance that none of them would remember me (and my school was much smaller than Columbia), it doesn't mean I didn't go there...

BlackTerrel
04-22-2011, 08:58 AM
i had a thought somewhat related to it. why do so many of BlackTerrel's posts seem to be obsessed about race?

I'm not the one who said Obama was talking black. If you think a white President with parents born in Europe would ever be accused of being born outside the US you're living in la la land.

This is definitely perceived as being race based and focusing on it, for a candidate who wants to win is not a good strategy. I'm not saying everyone, and probably not the majority on this forum - but this starts from a group of people who don't like seeing a black man as President. I absolutely believe that to be true.

BlackTerrel
04-22-2011, 09:02 AM
Columbia has almost 27,000 students. There is a good chance that the vast majority of students who went there would have no memory of him 30 years later.

I'm a couple of years younger than Obama and went to a school with ~6,000 students. I keep in contact with only a handful of them, and doubt more than 100 of them would remember me 26 years later. You don't remember every random guy you took a class with or bumped into once in a while. Even people I knew fairly well at the time- guys in my dorm, guys I played rugby with, guys I took ROTC with, etc- I barely remember most of them, and couldn't name them if I saw an old picture of them. Unless Obama was really outstanding in some way - big man on campus, quarterback of the football team, student council President- it's unlikely that any but his best friends would remember him 30 years later.

Remember, Obama was a transfer student that only went to Columbia for 2 years, making it even less likely that he would have had such an impact that someone would remember him 30 years later.

If Fox interviewed 400 students at my undergrad school, there's a very good chance that none of them would remember me (and my school was much smaller than Columbia), it doesn't mean I didn't go there...

#1 your post makes way too much sense. Thank you.

#2 I call bullshit on this FoxNews poll. How exactly did it work:

"libertarian4321 - you went to Columbia 30 years ago"

"yes"

"Do you remember Barack Obama"

"no"

Click....


.... First of all, if you call 400 people at Florida State and ask if they remember Barack Obama I'd almost guarantee you'd get a couple that say yes. People lie, they have fuzzy memories. People want to say "yeah I went to school with the President" and with 30 years of a fuzzy memory half the time they wouldn't be lying, they'd be convincing themselves.

You're telling me 400 out of 400 all said no. I call bullshit.

dannno
04-22-2011, 05:45 PM
I was just listening to a podcast with Adam Carolla and Alison Rosen and heard a disturbing conversation..

People still think that Obama has already shown his birth certificate. I thought this was completely retarded back in 2008/2009, but it's now 2 years later and most people are still just as ignorant.

Why does the media harp on this issue so much, yet REFUSE to educate people about the fact that he hasn't released his actual long form birth certificate?

I mean, whether it matters to them or not, people sound like idiots when they tell people he's already shown his BC when they are asking for the actual long form version.

hillbilly123069
04-22-2011, 07:15 PM
You know something that I find just as interest, McPain was the "other" choice we had. He was born on a military base in central america. Also not a natural born citizen. "Its a US base, blah blah blah" Don't matter. He is not natural born. Both men put in the light by the media as the only 2 choices by the people. And we know just how unbiased the media is. Has to be a connection.

hillbilly123069
04-22-2011, 07:27 PM
Anyone see that 80's movie "The Omen?"

Don Lapre
04-22-2011, 07:36 PM
People still think that Obama has already shown his birth certificate. I thought this was completely retarded back in 2008/2009, but it's now 2 years later and most people are still just as ignorant.

Why does the media harp on this issue so much, yet REFUSE to educate people about the fact that he hasn't released his actual long form birth certificate?

Most of the media doesn't care if he is a citizen or not.
It simply doesn't matter to them.
They've got a lefty in the oval office and that is what they care about.

In fact, I think many on the left will not agree that Barry should be removed from office if it is shown that he is a fraud.

hillbilly123069
04-23-2011, 02:20 AM
Thats what I'm betting goes down. "He's been in there. Whats it going to hurt?"
Then again, it's the right dealing the cards. And Im not convinced they're in cahoots anyway.

eduardo89
04-23-2011, 03:31 AM
You know something that I find just as interest, McPain was the "other" choice we had. He was born on a military base in central america. Also not a natural born citizen. "Its a US base, blah blah blah" Don't matter. He is not natural born. Both men put in the light by the media as the only 2 choices by the people. And we know just how unbiased the media is. Has to be a connection.

I pointed this out in another thread: McCain was born in thr Panama Canal Zone, at the time a US territory, not a military base to American parents. The law at the time conferred him US nationality at birth by being born in a US territory, and aquired full citizenship by virtue of descent. Also, Congress passed a law stating that all persons born in the Canal Zone to American parents were natural born citizens.


So it's not even close to the same situation.

juleswin
04-23-2011, 03:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdYByptC8mY

at the very least he has openly lied about his birthdate. in the above video he claims that if it wasnt for the 1965 civil rights march in selma alabama he never wouldve been born. but his "official" birthdate is 1961. hmmmm

I watched the video posted and the "i am here today" could be referring to him being here on stage and not being born as you interpreted it. Just my 2c