Drudge Alert: New Book to Reveal Obama's True Identity?

[FrankRep]

Release Date: May 17, 2011


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LGsVo1iJL._SS500_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1936488299/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=1936488299)

Where's the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1936488299/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=1936488299)
- Jerome Corsi



BOOK TO REVEAL OBAMA'S 'TRUE' IDENTITY? (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm)


Drudge Report
Apr 20 2011 10:35:52 ET


**Exclusive**

This year's high stakes publishing project quietly went to press this week, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

After years of research and digging by the nation's top private investigators, here it comes:

"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President."

MORE

The street date is a LONG month away, and author Jerome Corsi, the man who torpedoed John Kerry's presidential dreams with SWIFT BOAT, has gone underground and is holding his new findings thisclose.

"It's utterly devastating," reveals a source close to the publisher. "Obama may learn things he didn't even know about himself!"

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Does Corsi definitively declare the location of Obama's birth?

Will the president's attorneys attempt to interfere with the book's distribution? [The publisher vows to vigorously fight any legal action that may be taken.]

Will the book finally -- once and for all -- put an end to the growing controversy?

Or will it just ignite new ones!?

"When Donald Trump said he sent PIs to Hawaii to get to the bottom of all this, he meant this book," declares an insider.


[THE CASE ranked #1,341 on AMAZON's hitparade late Wednesday morning.]

Developing...

[TNforPaul45]

Man Frank, you beat me to it :)

Even though I am of the opinion that looking into this issue practically will make no difference, I am glad to see Dr. Corsi receiving such good attention for his investigative work.

He has been on the Alex Jones show (EEK! I said the bad words!) many many times, and it makes me feel good to see the Infowar marching onward!

Ideas > Guns

[idirtify]

Last night Jimmy Kimmel tried repeatedly to make fun a Trump’s investigation but the audience was NOT laughing much.

[idirtify]

deleted / double

[Fredom101]

Irrelevant/nobody cares.

Obama true believers could never be convinced of anything wrong with "their guy". Of course he's completely corrupt, and as bad as Bush. But all the facts to back this in the world won't change a thing. Nobody will jump off his bandwagon because he wasn't born here or because he's actually gay. What Obama IS good at is lying and deceiving. VERY good at this. That's why he is the chosen puppet-in-chief at the moment. Even if all of this made the evening news and he got run out of town, suddenly Biden would be painted as a saint and a genius who has all of our problems solved.

And so it goes...

[UtahApocalypse]

Will the president's attorneys attempt to interfere with the book's distribution? [The publisher vows to vigorously fight any legal action that may be taken.]


If they have to I pray the just post the whole thing for free on the internet.

[JRegs85]

Hell yeah.....Corsi's book is #2 overall on Amazon. The DrudgeReport story just gave a nice boost.

Dr. Paul's book is only #10 right now...not bad.

[libertyjam]

In connetion to this, how many saw that Wayne Madsen is leaving the country because he was told he was marked to be one of those US citizens that the president could have assassinated at any time? The reason being Wayne reported and uncovered the CIA ties of the Obama family and the CIA fiction that is his life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr3yRXjlLDw&feature=player_embedded

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations

[libertyjam]

Here is parts 1 and 2 of Madsen's story, read about a year ago and always wanted to find part 3, but I guess you have to be subscribed to Madsen's report to get it.
http://www.firetown.com/blog/2011/04/19/wayne-madsen-obama%E2%80%99s-cia-connections-part-i-and-ii/

[outspoken]

Did the author manage to find documentation that Obama was not only born outside the US but has proof that his demonic horns and tail were surgically removed at birth so as to better assimilate into the human species remaining undetected until he could attain the most powerful position of authority of the 'free' world?

[sailingaway]

It displaced Ron's as #1 in political books though, at amazon. We have to get Ron to write something racy....:(

jk

[FrankRep]

Amazon.com: #1!

Where's the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1936488299/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=1936488299)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41LGsVo1iJL._SL160_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1936488299/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=1936488299)

[emazur]

Here's an interview with Corsi from almost 2 years ago about the birth certificate. I'm agnostic on this birther stuff, but he raised many good points in the interview:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/065311fc-09df-4b8c-9bc5-74fc0bada319/corsi-%28birth-certificate%29-dr.stan073009b

[Depressed Liberator]

This board has really gone to shit.

[acptulsa]

This board has really gone to shit.

Every time you reappear, it does somehow suddenly seem gloomier...

[low preference guy]

This board has really gone to shit.

yeah, you posted again

[FrankRep]

This board has really gone to shit.

Cheer up Emo kid.

[BlackTerrel]

If he has a smoking gun why doesn't he just reveal it? What is he writing for 300 pages?

[Zippyjuan]

His "Swift Boat" thing turned out to be wrong and misleading too. But he will probably make a lot of money selling his book.

[low preference guy]

If he has a smoking gun why doesn't he just reveal it?

$$$

[Bruno]

Yes, someone who writes a book wants to make money. That is nothing new.

That fact alone does not mean that book will not contain relevant information. It will probably be the best case for doubt that Obama was born in this country.

In the end for many, it won't be whether others can prove Obama was born here or wasn't. It won't matter what the courts have decided, what newspaper birth announcements from more than a week after his birth prove or don't , what the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health claims when he says he was there at Obama's birth then claims he remembers him first playing teeball and how he himself couldn't find the original birth certificate, or how many millions he has spent to stay out of court, or what the birth certificate published online proves or doesn't.

It will be what people believe. And there is plenty of doubt over his birthplace for enough people that it will affect votes. Many votes. Enough to cost him the election? Perhaps.

[BlackTerrel]

Yes, someone who writes a book wants to make money. That is nothing new.

That fact alone does not mean that book will not contain relevant information. It will probably be the best case for doubt that Obama was born in this country.

Either that or he doesn't have any evidence and the book will be filled with inane drivel and speculation.

"I know who killed Kennedy, and I will reveal this information if you read the Lord of the Rings trilogy".

[torchbearer]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/3751507161_f43dc346ba_b.jpg

[Bruno]

Either that or he doesn't have any evidence and the book will be filled with inane drivel and speculation.

"I know who killed Kennedy, and I will reveal this information if you read the Lord of the Rings trilogy".

That's funny and all, but I doubt it. He's done more research on the topic than anyone. And I will likely read it and you will likely not, but you will still try to discredit accusations you have not looked into, mostly by people implying people are racists and saying they are afraid of Muslims.

But that brings me back to the rest of my post you didn't address. People have doubts and will vote based on those doubts.

[idirtify]

I am trying to figure out the REAL motive behind all the varieties of disagreements with the Birther issue, because the disagreements themselves just don’t completely explain themselves. I think there’s a lesson here, but I’m not sure of the psychological dynamic taking place. It must be something fundamental, or how else could a place like this house so many who oppose the chance to so effectively discredit (depose?) the gang leader of that which represents virtually everything this forum opposes? I suspect it has something to do with the instinct of a social species to have a default attraction to powerful individuals and/or to see them as the actual captain of the team. Around here (in Indiana), it has been called the “Bobby Knight syndrome” (ridiculing the masses who defended him to the end, for no other apparent reason that their fetish-like attraction to macho power and violence).

Please folks, if you see such an opportunity to dethrone such a powerful figure, who represents everything you detest, you TAKE IT! If not, you might be asked to explain exactly what you are doing here.

[low preference guy]

It must be something fundamental

Obama didn't release it. That's all there is to it. McCain released it and people stopped questioning him.

[BlackTerrel]

In the end for many, it won't be whether others can prove Obama was born here or wasn't. It won't matter what the courts have decided, what newspaper birth announcements from more than a week after his birth prove or don't , what the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health claims when he says he was there at Obama's birth then claims he remembers him first playing teeball and how he himself couldn't find the original birth certificate, or how many millions he has spent to stay out of court, or what the birth certificate published online proves or doesn't.

It will be what people believe. And there is plenty of doubt over his birthplace for enough people that it will affect votes. Many votes. Enough to cost him the election? Perhaps.


That's funny and all, but I doubt it. He's done more research on the topic than anyone. And I will likely read it and you will likely not, but you will still try to discredit accusations you have not looked into, mostly by people implying people are racists and saying they are afraid of Muslims.

But that brings me back to the rest of my post you didn't address. People have doubts and will vote based on those doubts.

No it won't impact anything. The people who believe (or say they believe) Obama was born in Kenya, or a Muslim, or a lizard person or whatever - those people don't like Obama anyway. I'd like to know what percent of these people voted for Obama in 2008 - my guess is it is WAY less than 1%.

It'll get you some attention. But it's not going to negatively impact his chance for reelection. My best guess is still that Obama wins in 2012 because all the GOP front runners have no cross over appeal and only court the far right.

[BlackTerrel]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?288147-Rasmussen-Reports-Obama-49-Trump-34

Obama 49 Trump 34

[rnestam]

...And when Ron Paul threatens the throne Corsi will write a bullshit book about him...guy is a hack. And he will come after RP if we succeed in rising him to the top...no doubt. Neocon lover who would say anything about anyone and you should give him zero credibility because he will attack us in time.

[AuH20]

...And when Ron Paul threatens the throne Corsi will write a bullshit book about him...guy is a hack. And he will come after RP if we succeed in rising him to the top...no doubt. Neocon lover who would say anything about anyone and you should give him zero credibility because he will attack us in time.

nah. I bet Corsi likes Ron Paul. He's written anti-NWO books.

[rnestam]

Man that was fast! Barely hit refresh!....well, I hope so. He gets big publicity with ever attack, would hate to be taking it. Especially if both the right and left media give credibility to it....

[FrankRep]

...And when Ron Paul threatens the throne Corsi will write a bullshit book about him...guy is a hack. And he will come after RP if we succeed in rising him to the top...no doubt. Neocon lover who would say anything about anyone and you should give him zero credibility because he will attack us in time.

You have no clue who Jerome Corsi is do you?

[AuH20]

You have no clue who Jerome Corsi is do you?

He has no clue. Absolutely no clue.

[Sola_Fide]

...And when Ron Paul threatens the throne Corsi will write a bullshit book about him...guy is a hack. And he will come after RP if we succeed in rising him to the top...no doubt. Neocon lover who would say anything about anyone and you should give him zero credibility because he will attack us in time.

Nah....

[rnestam]

No I don't...but to "swift boat" someone and not question a chickenhawk war monger gives me a hint of bias...sorry I didn't dedicate more time to him...not a great first impression. Please convince me otherwise, always willing to learn. I did end up here.

[rnestam]

Has he written an anti-bush book? Plenty of material no?

[rnestam]

Makes me think he'll swift boat RP in a second if it comes down to him and say Rubio in the future...am I wrong? Serious, what's his best book? Hillary the Devil, Obama the Muslim? Biden the Butcher?

[AuH20]

No I don't...but to "swift boat" someone and not question a chickenhawk war monger gives me a hint of bias...sorry I didn't dedicate more time to him...not a great first impression. Please convince me otherwise, always willing to learn. I did end up here.

Kerry was and still is a hypocrite of the highest order (tax dodger with his yacht among other things) and a globalist pig. Never-mind the crap he pulled with McCain to cover up the existence of living POWs in Vietnam. He and his backers, along with Clinton made alot of money when they re-opened trade relations with Vietnam. The guy is scum. Total sell-out.

[FrankRep]

No I don't...but to "swift boat" someone and not question a chickenhawk war monger gives me a hint of bias...sorry I didn't dedicate more time to him...not a great first impression. Please convince me otherwise, always willing to learn. I did end up here.

You mean George Bush right?


Jerome Corsi: Impeach George Bush


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJRYzuLehT8



Jerome Corsi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAA_ffk9pYA) and Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-23/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/) both endorse Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party) for President, 2008.

[Sola_Fide]

Corsi is one of those World Net Daily type of Republicans. A little confused, but for the most part good.

[emazur]

not a book but:
he calls for Bush's impeachment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJRYzuLehT8
and gave positive review of Anti-Bush book: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52958

And Bush's SPP drives him nuts - I'll bet he slammed Bush hard in his book Late Great USA

[low preference guy]

You mean George Bush right?


Jerome Corsi: Impeach George Bush


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJRYzuLehT8



Jerome Corsi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAA_ffk9pYA) and Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-23/ron-paul-endorses-chuck-baldwin-for-president/) both endorse Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party) for President, 2008.

FrankRep just pwnd.

[AuH20]

A little background on Corsi for those who aren't completely acquainted with his work:


In other books and columns for conservative websites such as WorldNetDaily and Human Events, Corsi has discussed topics that are considered conspiracy theories in some circles, such as the alleged plans for a North American Government, criticism of the United States government for allegedly covering up information about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001,[4] promoting the Abiogenic theory of the origin of oil (arguing that oil is produced from chemical reactions in the Earth, in contrast to the scientific community's consensus that oil is produced from the bodies of animals and/or plants), and alleged United States support of Iran in its attempts to develop nuclear weapons.[5][6][7]

[AuH20]

No I don't...but to "swift boat" someone and not question a chickenhawk war monger gives me a hint of bias...sorry I didn't dedicate more time to him...not a great first impression. Please convince me otherwise, always willing to learn. I did end up here.

Welcome. Humility and a thirst for knowledge earn you points from me. Sorry, I was little hard on you at the beginning, but people routinely come in here spouting off without all the details.

[Sola_Fide]

Wow. I didn't even know Jerome did 9-11 truth stuff. That's great.

[rnestam]

Just saying, after a quick wiki peek, I must say he is not the person I thought he was for the most part...actually kinda interested in his oil book. Any truth to that? But, he is still all out vicious against anyone in his way...and yeah, he endorsed Baldwin, but if he wants us to smoke Iran and such he might be dangerious to us, still seems "Anti-muslim" to the point I'm a little scared a hit piece would be 100percent if we threaten a real run....maybe I am wrong, but this guy is viscous, and one disagreement means a bullshit book against us.

[AuH20]

Just saying, after a quick wiki peek, I must say he is not the person I thought he was for the most part...actually kinda interested in his oil book. Any truth to that? But, he is still all out vicious against anyone in his way...and yeah, he endorsed Baldwin, but if he wants us to smoke Iran and such he might be dangerious to us, still seems "Anti-muslim" to the point I'm a little scared a hit piece would be 100percent if we threaten a real run....maybe I am wrong, but this guy is viscous, and one disagreement means a bullshit book against us.

He's more alternative media. The mainstream media covers up the past for many of our sanctimonious public officials.

[Sola_Fide]

Just saying, after a quick wiki peek, I must say he is not the person I thought he was for the most part...actually kinda interested in his oil book. Any truth to that? But, he is still all out vicious against anyone in his way...and yeah, he endorsed Baldwin, but if he wants us to smoke Iran and such he might be dangerious to us, still seems "Anti-muslim" to the point I'm a little scared a hit piece would be 100percent if we threaten a real run....maybe I am wrong, but this guy is viscous, and one disagreement means a bullshit book against us.

Well, he is a Christian. I am a Christian too, and by default I guess that makes me "anti-muslim" in the sense that I believe a Christian order of things is more conducive to Liberty than an Islamic order of things or a secular order of things.

[rnestam]

always learning, reading this site for 4 years straight since seeing RP on cspan and being shocked he wasn't a dem...goes to show people don't really know what they really believe...but more importantly, what the other side believes...I know, I was a retard liberal til that night, it is waaaay easier to flip liberals than most educated life long conservatives think here. You are over thinking your arguments. We just didn't think about this stuff enough...a still think libs are our greatest crop to harvest, from a former die hard liberal....man, seems like a life time ago....

[rnestam]

I hear ya Aqua...just worried it feeds into that "hate our freedoms" argument which is a winner for everyone but RP on the republican side..

[FrankRep]

I know, I was a retard liberal til that night, it is waaaay easier to flip liberals than most educated life long conservatives think here. You are over thinking your arguments. We just didn't think about this stuff enough...a still think libs are our greatest crop to harvest, from a former die hard liberal....man, seems like a life time ago....

Liberals tend to support Big Government and Socialist welfare programs. This is anti-Constitution/Ron Paul.

[low preference guy]

Liberals tend to support Big Government and Socialist welfare programs. This is anti-Constitution/Ron Paul.

and FrankRep has returned to his bot mode....

Did you even read the post you're replying to?

[AuH20]

and FrankRep has returned to his bot mode....

Did you even read the post you're replying to?

I don't think he did. LOL It's not like rnestam is hostile.

[FrankRep]

and FrankRep has returned to his bot mode....

Did you even read the post you're replying to?

Yes, I was replying to rnestam. He said "libs are our greatest crop to harvest" and "it is waaaay easier to flip liberals than most educated life long conservatives think here"

I'm just saying Liberals are hard nuts to crack because they tend to support big government and socialism.

[rnestam]

My point was most "casual liberals" don't even know what it means...they are not political junkies and simply think dems care about people. Very primed to flip, like I said, don't treat them like they care about politics, they don't and can be flipped with good time.

[low preference guy]

Yes, I was replying to rnestam. He said "libs are our greatest crop to harvest."

I'm just saying Liberals are hard nuts to crack because they tend to support big government and socialism.

He said HE HIMSELF was a liberal. Are you saying that the instantiation of the poster that existed in the past couldn't be converted because he liked "Big Government and Socialist welfare program. This is anti-Constitution/Ron Paul."?

Do you know liberal better than somebody who is A FORMER LIBERAL himself?

[FrankRep]

He said HE HIMSELF was a liberal. Are you saying that the instantiation of the poster that existed in the past couldn't be converted because he liked "Big Government and Socialist welfare program. This is anti-Constitution/Ron Paul."?

Do you know liberal better than somebody who is A FORMER LIBERAL himself?

I didn't say that. I'm merely pointing out the difficulty of converting a typical liberal.


Yes, I understand he said we was a former liberal. Okay...

[low preference guy]

I didn't say that. I'm merely pointing out the difficulty of converting a typical liberal.

what a great contribution you made.

/sarcasm


He made a very specific point with evidence to back it up. The specific point was referring to a subgroup of liberals (those who haven't thought it out), not liberals in general. Then you came with your broad vague statement with no evidence or interesting perspective or anything that is actually a contribution. What a great post.

[FrankRep]

what a great contribution you made.

/sarcasm


He made a very specific point with evidence to back it up. The specific point was referring to a subgroup of liberals (those who haven't thought it out), not liberals in general. Then you came with your broad vague statement with no evidence or interesting perspective or anything that is actually a contribution. What a great post.

The type of liberals he's talking about are in the minority and the liberals I'm talking about put Obama in power. Yes, :rolleyes: I read your post completely.

[Sola_Fide]

The difficulty in converting liberals and conservatives is that they both, in varying degrees, do not support the idea of a free market and voluntary society. They both support intervention on some scale.

I do think Frank is right though. Liberals are so far down the scale toward statism that it is a tad more difficult to convert them to a more liberty-oriented position.

I would still question some of the liberal converts here.

1. Some of them still support compulsory education (because the State enforces an evolutionary education only).

2. Some of them still support denying religious liberties, and enforcing the State-religion of secularism by force.

3. Some of them still support denying the protection of the law to unborn people.

All 3 of these things are antithetical to Liberty, and they need to get their worldview consistent.

[rnestam]

a liberal that goes online and argues or canvases is one thing, my Obama voting buddy asked me on marathon monday to get him a hat like mine...an RP hat I was rocking. That's constant quoting an yapping to someone who never watches political crap TV, a regular hard working joe...those are the libs I mean, and I got at least 7 now that are going to vote in the primaries for RP. Off topic, having a sweet time sipping on a bushmills on the rocks with my 2 week old on my lap while my wife gets some much needed sleep chillin on "the forums"...first thing I check when I pick up my phone a dozen times a day....

[low preference guy]

You might have good points, but if so, why don't you just tell the truth instead of stating outright lies?


1. Some of them still support compulsory education (because the State enforces an evolutionary education only).


That's nowhere near the main reason liberals support public education. Most conservatives don't believe the schools should teach evolution and still support compulsory education.

[doodle]

I still suspect neocons could be b-mailing O:

LINK (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?288501-Are-neocons-blackmailing-Obama)

[FrankRep]

You might have good points, but if so, why don't you just tell the truth instead of stating outright lies?
Which outright "lies" are you referring to?

[rnestam]

I would say...by ratings numbers even, that the liberals that put obama in power are more like my buddy, and not "statists" that are unreachable. MOST people will listen to common sense and vote fpr RP, they are NOT rachel maddow viewers...I live amongst them in MA...they are not liberals that even know what it is, they are casual viewers of the news who Pass there time more close to home...not necessarily a bad thing....

[Sola_Fide]

That's nowhere near the main reason liberals support public education. Most conservatives don't believe the schools should teach evolution and still support compulsory education.

I disagree.

There is a thriving Christian homeschool movement that is very politically active and engaged with fighting the state-indoctrinators at every turn in this statist country.

There is no leftist home school movement. The left is in lockstep with the evolutionary statist mindset that says we must socialize children to become wards of the State. Evolution is the religious foundation of Statism. The Biblical Christianity of the founding generation (that stressed the Biblical ideas of liberty, property rights, and sound money), was diametrically opposed to statism.


The reason more people on the Right don't support tearing down the state-education monopoly is that they are statists who do not apply Biblical principles to society anymore.

[low preference guy]

The left is in lockstep with the evolutionary statist mindset that says we must socialize children to become wards of the State. Evolution is the religious foundation of Statism.

You have a wonderful imagination.

Statism, worship of power existed even before Darwin. Evolution is nowhere near the main reason why liberals support compulsory education.

[rnestam]

A good point is education...I rail all the time about "blanket national education" and how more localized, region based or home schooling is way more practical and no one ever disagrees, they are as passionate as anyone about localized laws and education...ALL Obama voters. Again, they agree, they just don't know....not because they are ignorant, but have yet to "rediscover liberty"....we are not trying to change minds here, just trying to make them realize that they actually agree with us and not to fall for the left/right bullshit...

[Sola_Fide]

You have a wonderful imagination.

Statism, worship of power existed even before Darwin.

Sure it did. And it should be pointed out that the pagan societies of the middle east, extending up to Greece and Rome, were tyrannical, statist empires where the idea of liberty was no where to be found.

The idea of Liberty stemed from the Reformation. The idea that Kings were NOT the divine link to the gods (and therefore not divinely authoritative) comes from Christianity and nothing else.

Evolution is just another religious outworking from the idea that men can become gods. Its not really that different from the ancient pagan statist societies.

[rnestam]

U will say there is no "leftist home schooling" movent but complain that private schools are liberal I'm sure....what the free market wants right? Until people get over how "stupid" the other side is there will be no liberty. Liberals are not dumb idiot retards, they simply are putting there trust in the wrong people...convince them otherwise, instead of being a champion over them...

[Sola_Fide]

Liberals are not dumb idiot retards, they simply are putting there trust in the wrong people...convince them otherwise, instead of being a champion over them...

Nah. I say "putting your trust" in any earthly institution is the beginning of our problems.

Imho, the main problem with liberals is that they have the wrong view of economics (many conservatives do too). Economic theory is the sticking point. They just can't get their head around a voluntary society with free markets in everything, including money.

Do you support a voluntary society with free markets?

[rnestam]

Deleted out of respect.

[rnestam]

I heard a quote that was "the libertarians failing was attaching to close to the republicans rather than teaching democrats basic economics" and I really love it...beong from that side...

[rnestam]

I mean...we have the fiscal part with conservatives...supposedly...and the social part with democrats, why try and grab entirely from republicans?....dems really just don't know, and with the debt now, they are primmed to get flipped, especially if we champion the end of war on drugs etc....

[Sola_Fide]

Deleted out of respect.

Let it out man!

[rnestam]

And the big point is they really don't know it would fucking HELP them....almost need to throw bones, RP has tried the no taxes on tips, even no taxes on under 40k earned in exchange to bringing troops home....I think those are big money makers if the media picks up on them in 2012. NEED to show that it isn't Republicans equals rich people...shame they don't know how beneficial his policies would be for middle class...

[rnestam]

Ahhh aqua, a debate for another thread! Hahaha

[Sola_Fide]

Rnestam,

Do you support a more voluntary society with free markets? Im curious.

[rnestam]

From what I have learned...very much so. But I am young on the theories, but can make a mean argument with my surrounding peers. Seriously a believer and have yet to completely form a good base yet. Just seems the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Have u seen "Commanding Heights"..was a doc I watched when still way lib but was a first peek into how private was way more efficient than gov kinda. Money Masters followed, then Alvin Tofler...all this after a mean streak in M. Moore and the like shit books. Hahaha.....but I will say, the socialist Chomsky did lead me to RP...if not for him I never would have loved RP's NeoConned speach, so I guess some good comes from socialism...but yes, I am 100 percent in free market camp now.

[Sola_Fide]

Cool.

[rnestam]

When you grow up in MA, it is pounded into you...I may be a late bloomer, but give credit for "snapping out of it" in this atmosphere...seriously a different world, why a try and preach patients when dealing with libs...they really do agree, they just don't know it yet...sounds weird I know, but I swear, I live it every day. We are right, and anyone with a brain can be shown the light.

[qh4dotcom]

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When you grow up in MA, it is pounded into you...I may be a late bloomer, but give credit for "snapping out of it" in this atmosphere...seriously a different world, why a try and preach patients when dealing with libs...they really do agree, they just don't know it yet...sounds weird I know, but I swear, I live it every day. We are right, and anyone with a brain can be shown the light.

A co-worker of mine (black woman in her 50s) agrees with me on every libertarian principle when we engage in political talk, however she is a die-hard supporter of Obama. She's not even involved in politics, but does believe that the government's intervention is the root of our problems, yet she still blindly supports Obama. She remains ignorant of his policies, complains when he his attacked over them, and always rebuts with "give the man a chance." I have her interest piqued in Ron Paul, and she agrees with him on essentially everything, but I know she will still cast her vote for Obama in 2012.

Any advice on how to get her to support Ron Paul?

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A co-worker of mine (black woman in her 50s) agrees with me on every libertarian principle when we engage in political talk, however she is a die-hard supporter of Obama. She's not even involved in politics, but does believe that the government's intervention is the root of our problems, yet she still blindly supports Obama. She remains ignorant of his policies, complains when he his attacked over them, and always rebuts with "give the man a chance." I have her interest piqued in Ron Paul, and she agrees with him on essentially everything, but I know she will still cast her vote for Obama in 2012.

Any advice on how to get her to support Ron Paul?

This woman sounds like my mom. But I was able to finally convert her a few days ago. Not to pimp my own video (OK, I guess I am!), but those two videos I made kind of sealed the deal for her.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dFVQoCbnE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuWvFoqWdCU

[TIMB0B]

This woman sounds like my mom. But I was able to finally convert her a few days ago. Not to pimp my own video (OK, I guess I am!), but those two videos I made kind of sealed the deal for her.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dFVQoCbnE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuWvFoqWdCU

Did I mention my co-worker is black? This is the barrier that I cannot break. She doesn't care about Obama's policies. All she cares about is the man's skin color. It's "her boy" up in there. "Leave my boy alone. Give the man a chance."