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Reason
04-17-2011, 02:25 AM
http://youtu.be/RxPUvQZ3rcQ

Oy vei, I have spent so much time on foreign policy & civil liberties, listening to this audio makes me want to read more economic material...

So many subjects, so little time...

Blueskies
04-17-2011, 03:26 AM
His opposition to our brand of libertarianism is that we're chasing a pipe dream. That he would agree with us, if only the state could be made a truly neutral entity--which it cannot be, by the very laws of human nature.

He may be right. There's really nothing you can say to disprove that.

What I would retort, though, is that he's guilty of the same things. Is not his socialism also a pipe dream?

IDefendThePlatform
04-17-2011, 05:23 AM
That was a very dishonest answer by Chomsky. "Libertarian means an extreme advocate of total tyranny." He could at least do us the courtesy of properly stating the basis of libertarianism/ancap, which is the non-aggression principle.

This is a perfect example of intellectual dishonesty. He says he is defining the term libertarian, but then just gives his opinion of what a libertarian society would look like ("total tyranny"). He's just fear mongering.

Also, he continues directly from this definition of "libertarian" to immediately discussing corporate tyranny, as if they were one and the same. However, as Dr. Paul has stated on many occasions, the largest creator of corporate tyranny currently is the state. Without the benefits bestowed on them by the state, corporations would exist in a totally different form than what they are now and than what Chomsky is describing.

He's just another advocate of initiating force as a means of "properly" ordering society. ("Public tyrannies at least people have a say in")

goopc
04-17-2011, 06:09 AM
Chomsky doesn't understand private property. All property is acquired through homesteading, the first person to make a claim to a property becomes its rightful owner. Following from that, exploitation takes place only when any deviation from the homesteading principle occurs. You can't be exploited by your employer or anyone else as long as your property rights are respected. There is not "total tyranny" in a truly libertarian society. On the other hand, the state represents the single greatest exploitation firm in our society.

FrankRep
04-17-2011, 08:07 AM
Noam Chomsky is playing word games.

MN Patriot
04-17-2011, 08:59 AM
Chomsky is an intellectual fraud when he creates his own definition of libertarianism. I don't know any libertarian who advocates total tyranny.
Why does he do this? I think Chomsky and the left fear libertarianism because it exposes THEM as the true tyrants and fascists. So Chomsky redefines libertarianism as extreme tyranny, with absolutely no evidence to support that position.

Dreamofunity
04-17-2011, 10:36 AM
Promoting the labor theory of value while using a Rousseauian critique of the division of labor... someone should let Chomsky know these ideas and arguments died out with the marginal revolution.

S.Shorland
04-17-2011, 10:54 AM
If this is the video I think it is,he claims that the language has been changed so that Libertarian means something totally different 'here' (in your country) than it does anywhere else? How can you argue with that? I agree he's playing word games.He can't argue against the position so he sets up the ultimate straw man.Which is more likely?
A controlling oligarchy will use its control of media to change terms and perception or avowed individualists?HE is for control and suppression.WE are for ourselves and the structure of Government that will allow us to be ourselves knowing that any restriction or compulsion on another means resentment and is the cause of special interests that may in turn affect our personal and financial freedom?WHICH tree is going to produce the rotten fruit?

Wesker1982
04-17-2011, 11:04 AM
I got this video from an anarcho-socialist friend one time. I had seen it way back though when I first became interested in anarcho-capitalism since the first thing I did was try to find as many objections as I could.

Needless to say, it isn't a convincing video and doesn't come close to refuting anything. This will be crystal clear to anyone who becomes interested enough in anarcho-capitalism to make it beyond this video in their quest for knowledge on the subject.

The funny thing about Chomsky is that I think it is pretty clear that he is in it for the evil $$$$$$.

Elwar
04-17-2011, 11:09 AM
He says that with true liberty comes equality. I believe it is his definition of equality that needs clarification.

In a way, a truly libertarian society would create equality for everybody. Not monetarily but we will have equal rights and access, anyone with a dollar can buy a one dollar apple, no matter who you are. We all have equal access to thriving and surviving.

He also doesn't understand that Corporations are the product of the government and tyranny, which makes sense that they are mini-tyrannies. A libertarian society would have no need for "Corporations". There might be large businesses, but there would be no distinction from a small business as far as thriving and surviving.

awake
04-17-2011, 11:29 AM
With true liberty you have only one equality; all persons will be equal before the law. No public law for the rulers; only private law for everyone. There would be no special laws for some individuals, or groups of, to attack the property of any others.

All men would be free to associate in what ever group designation they want, none would cease to be anything other than an individual before the law. If one man can not do to another illegal acts (expropriate his property), neither can a group of one hundred men, let alone thousands or millions. This is precisely where democracy fails: majority votes are taken as a guiding morality and ethic which is a monumental mistake that amounts to untold amounts of injustice.

Corporations are still subservient and dominated by those who claim the monopoly of violence under government, not the other way around. If corporations did indeed run the government a lobbyist as a function would cease to exist.

So long as a man seeks to secure his liberty by actively trying to steal from all others their God given liberty, he will be nothing more then a dog chasing it's tail unable to stop but for cardiac arrest.

If we pray to God the same things that we pray unto government to do for us, is it any mystery as to why he seems so distant?