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progressiveforpaul
04-16-2011, 08:49 AM
To me any thought of cutting spending or raising taxes when 25 million Americans are needing and wanting full time work is absurd. However, if all that is going to be done over the next 10 years is to cut spending then Ron Paul's determination to roll back wildly excessive military spending by ending the wars and all other empire building and maintenance is a much better alternative than what the President or the Republicans are offering. The fact that he is willing to do this while paying for Medicare and social security is maybe the best we can expect. Progressives need to face the reality that the president folded on taxes once and he will fold again because the he will not have the votes. All talk now is about cuts. We have to choose who is going to cut in the right places rather who will raise taxes or invest in what we need. My outlook is not optimistic but it is realistic. The sooner progressives get on board with Ron Paul's transitional fix the sooner we will be able to get a real progressive to the top of the 2016 ballot. Continue to deny that the president is anything other than a corporatist, and we get a Romney clone versus Obama and a stalemated congress for another 4 years.
http://progressivesforronpaul.blogspot.com/

sailingaway
04-16-2011, 09:05 AM
that's the problem. do you notice that Paul Ryan's medicare plan is functionally the same as Obamacare? It freezes in the corporatist points for big pharma etc, that raise the cost curve to begin with, and ONLY THEN shifts the cost increase risk to the taxpayer/patient by defined vouchers. Obamacare freezes in the corporatist points for big pharma etc that raise the cost curve to begin with and shifts the cost increase risk to the taxpayer by rationing care. The outcome is the same because the vouchers will ultimately cover less and less care. The problem is the regulatory capture by the corporations of the system that drives prices up for the 'cherry pick' items like drugs where a market would drive costs down. If that is not addressed, the system cannot be fixed properly.