Daily Kos: Tax Cuts are Theft!!!

[AuH20]

Amazing! Who thinks like this? Petulant Children. That's who.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/14/967110/-Tax-Cuts-are-Theft!-Its-that-simple


You made those payments so that when you retire, your health care would be covered. You made those payments so that you’d get social security. You made those payments to build a good state college system, so that when your kids are ready for college they will be able to get a good education at a price you can afford.

This is what responsible people do: they plan ahead; they make investments now so that assets are built up for when they need them.

You paid for all this, you made these investments, with your money. Your Money. In essence, it’s a layaway plan. You made a deal. No one should be able to take away from you what you paid for.

But some in Congress won’t honor the deal. They want to break into the bank where that money is sitting and take it. They really have no intention of giving you the services that you’ve been investing in for all these years. When they slashed tax rates at the top end, when they changed the tax laws so that GE could pay no taxes – when they did all that, they knew they would have to take Your Money to pay for it. Worse, to trick you into going along with this, they said “Don’t worry …. For every dollar we loot from the funds you’ve deposited with Uncle Sam, you can have ten cents back in tax cuts of your own to go out and buy yourself a nice new TV. But we’ll take the other 90% of your money and give it out in tax cuts to corporations and to those who already have wealth beyond measure.”

When someone takes something that doesn’t belong to them, that’s theft. In our society, theft is never O.K.

[RP Supporter]

Never minding the fact the piece sounded like it was written for 10 year old's, I found this quote amusing.

"When someone takes something that doesn’t belong to them, that’s theft. In our society, theft is never O.K."

Except when the goverment does it of course.

[torchbearer]

Orwellian.
War is Peace
Tax Cuts are theft

[AuH20]

Never minding the fact the piece sounded like it was written for 10 year old's, I found this quote amusing.

"When someone takes something that doesn’t belong to them, that’s theft. In our society, theft is never O.K."

Except when the goverment does it of course.

So true...

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[Cdn_for_liberty]

He holds an MBA from Stanford Business School and a BA from Harvard.

Just tarnishing Stanford's reputation

[HOLLYWOOD]

Fools looking through Kaleidoscope glasses.... Marxist Morons, just another reason not to give the Federal government one red cent.

DAILY KOS = ежедневный Комитет

[cindy25]

Taxation is Theft

[EndSlavery]

What kind of promise is medicare anyways? This is what the state has promised: "I will steal your money now, and give you health care at a future date." But they also added "I can change this promise at any time."

What the fuck kind of promise is that?

[Vessol]

1) Social Security is a TAX. It is not a program where they take your money and then store it away. It is a TAX that goes directly into general expenditure.
2) There is no money sitting anywhere. Considering that the total unfunded liability goes into the 140 trillion dollar range, I'd like to see where the fuck 140 trillion dollars is sitting in a bank account, nice and safe as it waits for you.
3) WHAT. THE. FUCK. What the fuck is he smoking? "When someone takes something that doesn’t belong to them, that’s theft. In our society, theft is never O.K.". So is this guy an anarcho-capitalist or is he a moron on crack cocaine? I'm leaning towards the later.

[angelatc]

What kind of promise is medicare anyways? This is what the state has promised: "I will steal your money now, and give you health care at a future date." But they also added "I can change this promise at any time."

What the fuck kind of promise is that?

They have never committed to providing benefits at a future date. That's why the deficit numbers aren't included in their official reports. In their world, they don't have to count it because they have the ability to rescind the program at any time.

[SWATH]

Very impressive. That is a level of stupidity you rarely see in nature.

[madfoot]

New trend in politics: [Thing I don't like] is theft!

[jclay2]

1) Social Security is a TAX. It is not a program where they take your money and then store it away. It is a TAX that goes directly into general expenditure.
2) There is no money sitting anywhere. Considering that the total unfunded liability goes into the 140 trillion dollar range, I'd like to see where the fuck 140 trillion dollars is sitting in a bank account, nice and safe as it waits for you.
3) WHAT. THE. FUCK. What the fuck is he smoking? "When someone takes something that doesn’t belong to them, that’s theft. In our society, theft is never O.K.". So is this guy an anarcho-capitalist or is he a moron on crack cocaine? I'm leaning towards the later.

+ rep. Where did these fucking moron liberals get the idea that social security / medicare were investments? You would think that this guy with an MBA would be able to understand that when you structure something like a pyramid scheme it will eventually collapse under its own weight. But alas, it is from Stanford, another propaganda center enriching young minds with wonderful ideas like government entitlements and wealth redistribution.

[aGameOfThrones]

Taxation is Theft

You don't get it, do you? Tax cuts are theft, silly. It makes sense if you don't think about it...

[madfoot]

But alas, it is from Stanford, another propaganda center enriching young minds with wonderful ideas like government entitlements and wealth redistribution.

this is incredibly paranoid and a dangerous line of though

[Expatriate]

In a screwed up kind of way, maybe they're right. Tax cuts are theft. Stealing less is still stealing. :p :(

The only tax action that wouldn't be theft would be tax abolition.

[jclay2]

this is incredibly paranoid and a dangerous line of though

And how is it not true? All of the Ivy League and top schools are cesspools for the federal government.

[madfoot]

And how is it not true?

Because it's fucking crazy.

[low preference guy]

Because it's fucking crazy.

lol.

So you think most Ivy Leagues aren't indoctrination centers for central economic planning? In terms that you would like better, you don't believe that the dominant political ideology of Ivy League professors is that a small highly educated elite should decide how the masses live their lives?

Let's talk about Princeton University:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLZbF_GcoSrRaBqiN-qKyje1ro5EzyI-TtdrREc1nx-lQQFs7n2g&t=1

http://www.globalresearch.ca/coverStoryPictures/17346.jpg

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/power-grid/images/profiles/1091/paul_krugman_x200.jpg

http://mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/elena-kagan-2.jpg

http://techknowledgyblog.squarespace.com/storage/sotomayor.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=124422062 2109

[SWATH]

Because it's fucking crazy.

So is the belief that tax cuts are handouts.

[madfoot]

So you think most Ivy Leagues aren't indoctrination centers for central economic planning?

yes

[Sola_Fide]

this is incredibly paranoid and a dangerous line of though

You are a statist troll. Good to see that your colors are finally showing.

You think by having one word responses to questions being asked you in some way saves you from criticism, but I think it shows a certain level of insecurity for your own worldview.

[madfoot]

I'm statist because I don't believe higher education is indoctrination?

[low preference guy]

I'm statist because I don't believe higher education is indoctrination?

You call that education?

Do you actually believe that thinking that "war is good for the economy" can be called knowledge?

Do you think that someone who believes that printing a lot of money will solve our economic problems is educated?

[Sola_Fide]

I'm statist because I don't believe higher education is indoctrination?

Yes.

[Jeremy Tyler]

I'm statist because I don't believe higher education is indoctrination?

Think he is simply saying that many ivy leagues are indoctrinations for central power being viewed as a good thing. Many public schools are. Going through highschool thats what I was taught, going through college (save a few good classes) that is what I was told as well.

[madfoot]

You call that education?

Do you actually believe that thinking that "war is good for the economy" can be called knowledge?

Do you think that someone who believes that printing a lot of money will solve our economic problems is educated?

Because this is the only stuff they teach in Columbia and Yale

[low preference guy]

Because this is the only stuff they teach in Columbia and Yale

Yes, they teach Keynesianism.

Do you want to talk about MIT? Let's hear it from the most prestigious so-called economist from MIT for a long time:


In Samuelson's 1973 edition of his famous textbook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Samuelson), he laid forth the prediction that the Soviet Union would catch up to the United States in per capita income by 1990, and almost certainly would by 2015 because of its superior economic system. Subsequent editions of his textbook would later push the date of his prediction back farther until the Soviet Union ultimately collapsed

[madfoot]

but this is fucking retarded because you're basically saying "libertarians should not go to college because professors are evil socialists"

i mean you literally think university = brainwashing

this is reinforcing the negative beliefs rational people have about us and it's your fault when ron paul doesn't become president

stop making us look bad, seriously

[madfoot]

Yes, they teach Keynesianism.

Do you want to talk about MIT? Let's hear it from the most prestigious so-called economist from MIT for a long time:

You're quoting a dead guy

[low preference guy]

i mean you literally think university = brainwashing


Well, if a random person said this, would you guess that person was educated or brainwashed?


The Soviet Union would catch up to the United States in per capita income by 1990, and almost certainly would by 2015 because of its superior economic system. Subsequent editions of his textbook would later push the date of his prediction back farther until the Soviet Union ultimately collapsed

[low preference guy]

You're quoting a dead guy

Wow. That's the strongest argument I've ever read. End of discussion.

[madfoot]

Well, if a random person said this, would you guess that person was educated or brainwashed?

I thought it was both?

[low preference guy]

stop making us look bad, seriously

you just won the award for the most pathetic concern troll.

[low preference guy]

I thought it was both?

if being educated means saying ridiculous and laughable things, then i guess you'd be right.

[amonasro]

Think he is simply saying that many ivy leagues are indoctrinations for central power being viewed as a good thing. Many public schools are. Going through highschool thats what I was taught, going through college (save a few good classes) that is what I was told as well.

I think we're painting with a broad brush. So my friends who went to Yale to study opera are statist zombies? That's preposterous. I went to a very highly regarded conservatory for graduate school. No one is indoctrinating anybody about economics and statism unless they're studying in those related areas.

[low preference guy]

i mean you literally think university = brainwashing

The economic departments that teach Keynesianism are literally brainwashing centers. They're exactly like schools that teach people to become witch-doctors.

[madfoot]

do they teach only kenyesianism?

[jclay2]

madfoot: If you are going to troll, at least provide a lengthy explanation of why you have such ignorant beliefs.

[madfoot]

madfoot: If you are going to troll, at least provide a lengthy explanation of why you have such ignorant beliefs.

Ignorant? HOLY FUCK YOU LITERALLY THINK HIGHER EDUCATION IS BRAINWASHING FFS

[jclay2]

Ignorant? HOLY FUCK YOU LITERALLY THINK HIGHER EDUCATION IS BRAINWASHING FFS

lol.

[madfoot]

x_x

[Vessol]

Ignorant? HOLY FUCK YOU LITERALLY THINK HIGHER EDUCATION IS BRAINWASHING FFS

Take a chill pill man.

Or, I personally recommend, some ganja.

[sailingaway]

All your monies are belong to us!!

(Oops.... sorry for going back on topic....)

[teacherone]

They have never committed to providing benefits at a future date. That's why the deficit numbers aren't included in their official reports. In their world, they don't have to count it because they have the ability to rescind the program at any time.

can you cite this law...this is really interesting.

[silverhandorder]

I thought I will never see the day where I defend a troll. Anyways classes like history and economics are heavily biased towards government. Then they have gems like political science which is down right commy 101.

However we shouldn't just say higher education = brainwashing because higher education also includes hard sciences like physics, mathematics and chemistry.

Anyways back to OP the liberals just want to throw a bone to the portion of their movement that does not think. So instead of being caught of guard when some one tells them they are for theft through taxes they can say we are for theft because we want to cut them. It's like "nu uh" type of reply. It's all about shutting down debate for them because otherwise it is easy to prove to someone willing to listen how taxes are theft.

[zerosdontcount]

I am a member of dailykos and always try to inject a little common sense into their idiotic logic.

[AuH20]

can you cite this law...this is really interesting.

Liberales go crazy when you bring the following up. PONZI PONZI PONZI. Say it loud and proud.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3785


They are not guaranteed legally because workers have no contractual or property rights to any benefits whatsoever. In two landmark cases, Flemming v. Nestor and Helvering v. Davis, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are not contributions or savings, but simply taxes, and that Social Security benefits are simply a government spending program, no different than, say, farm price supports. Congress and the president may change, reduce, or even eliminate benefits at any time.

[White Bear Lake]

I'm going to agree with Madfoot that the top universities in this country aren't entirely socialist indocitrination classes. It's only the social science departments that are. Most engineering, physical science, and business departments are pretty neitral. Sociology, Economics, Poli Sci, and History range from Keynes to Marx.

There are a few top schools that have Chicago-school oriented econ departments: U of Chicago, U of Minnesota (my school), U of Rochester, UPenn and maybe a couple more.

No major school I know of teaches the Austrian viewpoint, however.

[Jack Bauer]

I'm going to agree with Madfoot that the top universities in this country aren't entirely socialist indocitrination classes. It's only the social science departments that are. Most engineering, physical science, and business departments are pretty neitral. Sociology, Economics, Poli Sci, and History range from Keynes to Marx.

There are a few top schools that have Chicago-school oriented econ departments: U of Chicago, U of Minnesota (my school), U of Rochester, UPenn and maybe a couple more.

No major school I know of teaches the Austrian viewpoint, however.

George Mason University.

Peter Boettke, Don Bourdreaux, Russ Roberts, Walter Williams are their star faculty - all Austrians.

[dude58677]

I think we're painting with a broad brush. So my friends who went to Yale to study opera are statist zombies? That's preposterous. I went to a very highly regarded conservatory for graduate school. No one is indoctrinating anybody about economics and statism unless they're studying in those related areas.

That's not true. In the science department esp the engineering classes they teach about how great NASA is at building spacecrafts and undermine Burt Rutan's achievements.

The only department that is immune from statist propaganda of any kind is physical education.

[jmdrake]

You made those payments so that when you retire, your health care would be covered. You made those payments so that you’d get social security. You made those payments to build a good state college system, so that when your kids are ready for college they will be able to get a good education at a price you can afford.

Did you make those payments so that Obama could spend 600 million dollars so far (http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14756:us-intervention-in-libya-cost-us608-million&catid=56:diplomacy-a-peace&Itemid=111) bombing Lybia? That's what we should ask these stupid socialists.

[aGameOfThrones]

can you cite this law...this is really interesting.



1960 Scotus case of Flemming v. Nestor.

It involved Bulgarian-born Ephram Nestor, who was deported in 1956, having been involved in Communist activity in the 1930s. The federal government denied him his Social Security benefits, citing 1954 amendments to the Social Security Act that denied payments to anyone deported for criminal activity after August of that year. Nestor Sued on the grounds that "throughout the history of the Social Security Act, old-age insurance benefits have been referred to as a right of the recipient which he has earned and paid for."

The federal government prepared a legal brief in defense of its position that Nestor was not entitled to his benefits. The brief explained that Social Security was in no sense a federally administered "insurance program" under which each worker pays premiums over the years and acquires at retirement an indefeasible right to receive for life a fixed monthly benefit,irrespective of the conditions which Congress has chosen to impose from time to time.... The "contribution" exacted under the social security plan from an employee...is a True Tax. It is not comparable to a premium under a policy of insurance promising the payment of an annuity commencing at a designated age.

From Thomas Woods JR. 33 questions about American History.

"To engraft upon the Social Security system a concept of "accrued property rights" would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands. It was doubtless out of an awareness of the need for such flexibility that Congress included in the original Act, and [363 U.S. 603, 611] has since retained, a clause expressly reserving to it "[t]he right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision" of the Act.

...

We must conclude that a person covered by the Act has not such a right in benefit payments as would make every defeasance of "accrued" interests violative of the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. FLEMMING v. NESTOR, 363 U.S. 603 (1960)"

[low preference guy]

i mean you literally think university = brainwashing


You might be interested in reading what Walter Williams, a PhD, Professor, and University Trustee has to say on this issue:


University officials are aware of this kind of academic rot, but not university trustees who bear the ultimate responsibility for the university's welfare. Trustees are mostly yes-men for the president. Legislators and charitable foundations that pour billions into colleges are unaware as well. Most tragically, parents who cough up thousands in tuition to send their youngsters off to be educated, rather than indoctrinated, are unaware of the academic rot as well.

Full Article (http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2011/04/20/academic_rot/page/full/)