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FrankRep
04-13-2011, 09:29 AM
http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/09aApril/johndemjanjuk-t-ap%20.001.jpg
John Demjanjuk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk), Alleged Nazi prison camp guard



A recently declassified FBI report obtained by the Associated Press claims evidence in a trial against John Demjanjuk purporting to show that he was a National Socialist (Nazi) death-camp guard for Germany was likely fabricated by the Soviet Union to smear him for speaking out against the communist regime.


FBI: Nazi ID in War-crimes Case Likely Soviet Fake (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/7102-fbi-nazi-id-in-war-crimes-case-likely-soviet-fake)


Alex Newman | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
13 April 2011



Background:

2009 - Double Jeopardy OK'd for John Demjanjuk (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/1422)

Retired auto worker John Demjanjuk has been deported to Germany where he will be charged — this time — with complicity in Nazi crimes at Poland’s Sobibor concentration camp. By John F. McManus

FrankRep
05-12-2011, 09:45 AM
John Demjanjuk convicted over Nazi camp deaths (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110512/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_demjanjuk)


Associated Press
May 12, 2011


MUNICH – Retired U.S. autoworker John Demjanjuk was convicted of thousands of counts of acting as an accessory to murder at a Nazi death camp and sentenced on Thursday to five years in prison, a groundbreaking verdict that closed one chapter in a decades-long legal battle.
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There was no evidence that Demjanjuk committed a specific crime. The prosecution was based on the theory that if Demjanjuk was at the camp, he was a participant in the killing — the first time such a legal argument has been made in German courts.
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Freedom 4 all
05-12-2011, 10:50 AM
I have more sympathy for monsters like Dahmer and Bundy than I do for anyone who participated in a Nazi death camp or any other flavor of state sanctioned mass murder. But that's a serious-ass allegation that better be backed up with some kind of evidence.

FrankRep
05-12-2011, 11:00 AM
I have more sympathy for monsters like Dahmer and Bundy than I do for anyone who participated in a Nazi death camp or any other flavor of state sanctioned mass murder. But that's a serious-ass allegation that better be backed up with some kind of evidence.


Even Israel overturned the conviction (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/7102-fbi-nazi-id-in-war-crimes-case-likely-soviet-fake) against Demjanjuk.



Demjanjuk’s Nazi-related legal battles have been going on for decades. In the late 1970s, Nazi hunters mistakenly claimed Demjanjuk was the notorious concentration-camp worker known as “Ivan the Terrible.” So, he was stripped of his American citizenship, extradited to Israel from the United States, and sentenced to death by hanging.

More than a decade later, it turned out Demjanjuk wasn’t really “Ivan.” The Israeli Supreme Court overturned the conviction and allowed him to return to Ohio in 1993. His American citizenship was subsequently restored.

nate895
05-12-2011, 11:06 AM
I feel really bad for this guy, and it's just one symptom of the lack of honoring truth in our society. Just accuse someone of being a Nazi, and it's up to them to disprove it. I mean, it's just so ridiculous.

HRD53
05-12-2011, 03:35 PM
I feel really bad for this guy, and it's just one symptom of the lack of honoring truth in our society. Just accuse someone of being a Nazi, and it's up to them to disprove it. I mean, it's just so ridiculous.

Yea, I live in Cleveland and he is from a suburb out here, so his story has been in the news since before I was born. They have never found any true evidence to support the claims that he was Ivan the Terrible or that he really had anything to do with the mass genocide... He was a quiet, productive member of society while living in the U.S. By most neighbor's accounts a good guy... I suppose anything is possible , but they seem to be basing their allegations on hazy memories and flimsy evidence... again! Truly a sad story.

FrankRep
05-12-2011, 11:51 PM
German court convicts then frees Nazi guard Demjanjuk (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/12/us-germany-demjanjuk-verdict-idUSTRE74B1ZH20110512)

Reuters
May 12, 2011


(Reuters) - A German court convicted John Demjanjuk on Thursday for his role in the killing of 28,000 Jews in the Sobibor Nazi death camp, then set the 91-year-old free because of his age.
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"At the end he threw everyone in the courtroom a curveball and destroyed the hopes of the survivors of Sobibor," Martin Mendelsohn, counsel for the Nazi-hunting Simon Wiesenthal Center and the lawyer of two co-plaintiffs in the case, told Reuters.
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Demjanjuk was initially sentenced to death two decades ago in Israel for being the notorious "Ivan the Terrible" camp guard at Treblinka in Poland. The guilty verdict was overturned on appeal by Israel's supreme court in 1993 after new evidence emerged pointing to a case of mistaken identity.

FrankRep
05-14-2011, 06:46 AM
The Persecution of John Demjanjuk (http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan162.html)


Patrick J. Buchanan | LewRockwell.com
May 14, 2011


"John Demjanjuk Guilty of Nazi Death Camp Murders," ran the headline on the BBC. The lede began:

"A German court has found John Demjanjuk guilty of helping to murder more than 28,000 Jews at a Nazi death camp in Poland."

Not until paragraph 17 does one find this jolting fact: "No evidence was produced that he committed a specific crime."

That is correct. No evidence was produced, no witness came forward to testify he ever saw Demjanjuk injure anyone. And the critical evidence that put Demjanjuk at Sobibor came – from the KGB.

First was a KGB summary of an alleged interview with one Ignat Danilchenko, who claimed he was a guard at Sobibor and knew Demjanjuk. Second was the Soviet-supplied ID card from the Trawniki camp that trained guards.

There are major problems with both pieces of "evidence."

First, Danilchenko has been dead for a quarter of a century, no one in the West ever interviewed him, and Moscow stonewalled defense requests for access to the full Danilchenko file. His very existence raises a question.

How could a Red Army soldier who turned collaborator and Nazi camp guard survive Operation Keelhaul, which sent all Soviet POWs back to Joseph Stalin, where they were either murdered or sent to the Gulag?
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Full Story:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan162.html

FrankRep
03-17-2012, 08:19 AM
Convicted Nazi criminal John Demjanjuk dies at 91, German police say (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/17/convicted-nazi-criminal-john-demjanjuk-dies-at-1-german-police-say/)


Associated Press
March 17, 2012


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eduardo89
03-17-2012, 08:29 AM
Justice on earth will always be imperfect and perverted. Whatever the truth was, he'll be judged for it by God and receive his fair punishment or reward for how he lived. It's in His hands now.

pcosmar
03-17-2012, 08:36 AM
All this over a low level guard (allegedly) and yet Hundreds of Nazi's were brought to the US under false names and given new identities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

eduardo89
03-17-2012, 08:38 AM
All this over a low level guard (allegedly) and yet Hundreds of Nazi's were brought to the US under false names and given new identities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

And the US also helped thousands get into South America.

robert68
03-17-2012, 09:17 AM
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