Progressive Talk Radio

[Travlyr]

Progressive talk radio hosts are either intellectually deficient or intellectually dishonest, and it is difficult to determine in which category they fall. They sound smart, but their tax everybody more solutions are stupid.

Thom Hartmann is one example. Thom correctly recognizes the disparity in wealth among people, but then he advocates a violent solution. Evidently, we just have the gun pointed at the wrong people, Thom? If we go after the 'rich' (whatever that means) with guns and tax their wealth away from them, then we'll all be more prosperous? Seriously?

News flash! You cannot tax your way to wealth, Thom... you must produce your way to wealth.

Perhaps people think that you are 'rich', Mr. Hartmann. Rather than call for stealing more from other people who are perceived to have more, why don't you and Ed Schultz just offer more of your own wealth to the powers-that-be so they can give it to whatever dictator they think deserves it. It's simple, just add as much money as have to line 76 on your 1040 tax return and send them a check.

And Randi Rhodes... good grief! Everything is still Bush's fault. Which Bush? I don't know, but she is stuck in the 20th century. It's 2011, Randi. The elite counterfeiting cabal of international bankers are the culprits. All it takes is a few hours of study to learn the truth, and if you are going to rant and rant on the air waves, and want to sound smart, at least take the time to learn as much as your audience. Or perhaps she doesn't want the truth to be known. Again, more and higher taxes will not help, Randi. Why do you want people enslaved and impoverished? What is so bad about dealing with each other honesty? Why do you loathe freedom?

Jessie Jackson is a divider. His job is to promote racism and inequality. Personally, I wish he would get a speech therapist if he is going to spread his hate on national radio. Proper enunciation would at least make him sound more intelligent.

The half-truths spewed on progressive talk radio may be better than the outright lies told on NPR's international warmonger shows, but either they don't know what they are talking about, or they are misinformation agents ... it's hard to know which it is.

[TNforPaul45]

Progressive talk radio? You mean like sean hannity, rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly? Great progressive radio there

[bwlibertyman]

Yeah, all this class warfare is really annoying. Progressives like to say that republicants and constitutionalists and such hate poor people but they aren't forcing poor people to do anything. They just want to stop or limit government freebies that poor people typically use. Progressives would force more wealthy people to actually do something against their will. It's really quite annoying. Glenn Beck and Cato had a podcast about taking money from the rich. They went so far as to take 100% of the wealth from every millionaire in the country. They did the numbers and it would only pay for our current budget for 1 one more.

Think about that! We steal all the wealth from our rich people and we can only run the country for another year. It's unsustainable. Progressives just don't get it. They're playing to uneducated poor people. I can't take it.

[Travlyr]

Progressive talk radio? You mean like sean hannity, rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly? Great progressive radio there

No, no, no! They are 'conservative' talk radio hosts. They are in favor of keeping 'Bush's tax cuts' and 'Bush's war'. It's a totally different rant.

[Travlyr]

Progressive talk radio hosts are either intellectually deficient or intellectually dishonest...

I'm leaning toward malicious intent to subvert our constitution from both Thom Hartmann and Ed Schultz. I gave them the benefit of the doubt in my original post, but after listening to them today... it appears like it is intellectual dishonesty coming from them both.

Thom said something to the effect that if one believes that Wilson's and FDR's policies were socialistic, then he has a bridge to sell from Alaska to China.
Ed Schultz was cheer leading from a Wisconsin town-hall meeting where he proclaimed that all Republicans are wanting to destroy the middle class.

They are both spreading lies as if we all just believe whatever we are told by our master's minions.

[BuddyRey]

Back before Ron Paul converted me to liberty ideas, I was a huge Air America and Sirius Left fanatic. Thom Hartmann gave me my marching orders every afternoon at 1:00, and in reruns!

Thom Hartmann used to do a lot of things that, in hindsight, I can recognize as either logically flawed, or intellectually dishonest. He's an extremely brilliant and erudite speaker, so he conceals his biases very well. For example, he brings speakers or policy experts from the Ayn Rand Institute on, and claims that these people represent libertarianism (patently false, as the ARI and Objectivists in general tend to have VERY hawkish foreign policy views). He cites Allen Greenspan as a libertarian and an acolyte of Ayn Rand, even though Allen Greenspan sold his soul to the Federal Reserve and hasn't been a libertarian in quite a few decades, as evidenced by his early quotes calling for a Gold Standard when he was still one of the good guys.

He uses quotes from the Founding Fathers that extol liberalism in an attempt to make the case that the Founders were liberals. This is true, of course, but what Hartmann forgets to mention is that liberalism back then was a wholly different philosophy than it is now. The Founders were Classical liberals, not Left-liberals!

The one bit of cognitive dissonance that finally convinced me that Thom Hartmann cared more about Collectivism and "social justice" than the biggest liberal issues I cared about (ending the war, protecting civil liberties, etc.) was when, in the course of the same show, he declared that conservatism springs from the belief that human beings are inherently evil, AND that mandatory taxation should always prevail over voluntary charity. The sticking point: If man is inherently good as Hartmann claims that liberalism holds, then why does Left-liberalism not trust the higher instincts of man to voluntarily provide for the poor and destitute?

I was still a pretty firm left-winger until my political awakening in '07 (even my very early posts on these forums show just how deluded I was), but that flaw in his logic always stuck with me and bothered me for the remaining months of my love-affair with modern American liberalism.

[Travlyr]

Thom Hartmann used to do a lot of things that, in hindsight, I can recognize as either logically flawed, or intellectually dishonest. He's an extremely brilliant and erudite speaker, so he conceals his biases very well.

I have to agree with you, and if it is truly intellectual dishonesty, then what would possess a person to mislead people when the truth machine is setting on everyone's desktop? That will haunt him for the rest of his life. :(

[jclay2]

Thank you BuddyRey and Travlyr! I am in the middle of liberal land (chicago) and I force myself to listen to these liberal fools every day. The lies that they perpetuate have gone to far and they support partisan politics just as much as their republican friends. What is really disturbing is the amount of class warfare going on the radio these days. Just heard a guy on Thom's show today say something to the effect that "if I had a dollar for every time obama made a good speech, I would be a 1 percenter".


What really shows how hypocritical these guys are is how they rail against the millionaires and billionaires but then claim that they are all on their side and want to pay more taxes. Something to the effect of not wanting to be rich in a poor country. Man I think I might have to go see a doctor if I keep listening to the illogical, class warfare, taxes = wealth, government is our savior garbage.

[Travlyr]

The lies that they perpetuate have gone to far and they support partisan politics just as much as their republican friends. What is really disturbing is the amount of class warfare going on the radio these days.

That's for sure. Someday, I hope in the not too distant future, we'll enjoy more good honest media... all the time. It is in their best interest. Advertisers should be on notice that supporting garbage is last century stuff.

[Travlyr]

Just finished listening to Mr. Hartmann again. He is still on the warpath of taxing the rich and GE.

Thom, Ludwig von Mises pointed out years and years ago that our system of money is dishonest. Most of us who get our "news" from the Internet KNOW that our system of money is dishonest. Most of us understand that if we were using an honest system of money, then unemployment would be nearly zero, that the Great Depression would have never happened, that our current Greater Depression would have never happened, and that you have the bully pulpit. Why are you lying? How do you not get it? Thom, you have a national audience and you want people to believe stuff that is not true. WTF? I personally hope that you end up on the unemployment line with a whole bunch of others for being disingenuous. Enjoy your soup, Thom. The truth is being told on the Internet.