Ron Paul Bashes Paul Ryan's Budget, Calls Big Government 'King' to Iowa crowd.

[Agorism]

Ron Paul Bashes Paul Ryan's Budget, Calls Big Government 'King' to Iowa crowd.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/11/ron-paul-tells-iowans-the_n_847775.html

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/265710/thumbs/r-RON-PAUL-large570.jpg

[Sola_Fide]

Speaking at a forum organized by the Family Leader, a local Christian and socially conservative group, the Texas congressman referred to a passage in the Old Testament where the Israelite people asked the prophet Samuel for a king to rule over them. He used the story a parable to illustrate where he believes the once self-reliant American culture is headed.

“We don’t have a king today but unfortunately I think we’re drifting to a point that our big government is king, and the government tells us what we can do and be responsible for us,” Paul said. “And if we don’t have a house, they’ll give us a house. If we don’t have education, they’ll give us free education. If we’re hungry, we get food stamps. And deficits don’t matter. And if you need money, you print the money. And we have this moral obligation to police the world."

Ron is hitting on all cylinders for the Christian crowd. This is good stuff boys and girls!

[AuH20]

Where is progressives for Paul? He must love stuff like this.

[Romulus]

Great analogy..

[aGameOfThrones]

hark 1 minute ago (10:02 PM)
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We have no central planning in this country. Don't be ridiculous*. Paranoia on the right is pandemic.

comment from the site.

[AuH20]

comment from the site.

That person votes.

[aGameOfThrones]

And...


DrObvious 7 minutes ago (9:56 PM)
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The only person i've heard talking about a king in America is Ron Paul. Nobody sane cares to turn the USA into a monarchy.


LebronJeremy 7 minutes ago (9:56 PM)
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“And if we don’t have a house, they’ll give us a house. If we don’t have education, they’ll give us free education. If we’re hungry, we get food stamps. And deficits don’t matter. And if you need money, you print the money. And we have this moral obligation to police the world."

This is called being part of a society. You join society to avoid Darwinism. And you print the money because you can. Here's the thing: money is an abstractio*n anyways. Even if we don't have gold to back up the value of the dollar, it doesn't matter because the value of gold is an abstractio*n, too. And if you've worked your entire life, and then lose your life savings because bankers are allowed to steal your money, you should be guaranteed the right to eat.

Don't quote the Bible and then try to say that it's okay to let people starve.


TheGreatRenewal 7 minutes ago (9:55 PM)
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Ron ... The US government isn't like a Monarchy, the uber wealthy that have been created through The Great Restructur*ing paradigm imposed on the planet since the mid1980s ... are the new aristocrac*y. Government certainly, certainly has played and continues to play a role in the replacemen*t of our Social Democracy ... not with a Royalty or a Church ... but by a Corporatio*n! Shame on you for not speaking out about the Monarchy of Corporatio*ns ... no competitio*n, control, too much money.

[Sola_Fide]

And...

Please...no more... my brain is starting to hurt...

[QueenB4Liberty]

That person votes.

lmao oh boy.

[tpreitzel]

One of the comments compared the "consent of the governed" to the king in Ron's speech. As these fools at Huffingtonpost (I call them huffers) pat themselves on the back, it never dawns on them that the "consent of the governed" was never intended to be based on mob rule, i.e. a democracy, but rather the "consent of the governed" implied consent of both the state legislatures and the people, i.e. a republic. So, this so-called "consent of the governed" is really consent of the mob, and the mob ALWAYS has it's hand out even to it's own detriment. Deep thinkers, those huffers. ;)

[aGameOfThrones]

Please...no more... my brain is starting to hurt...

A few more...



bungerman 2 minutes ago (10:19 PM)
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now if only that pesky thing called the constituti*on didn't have the general welfare clause in it, we could just do away with all social safety nets and revert to Somalia.


mpilkanis 9 minutes ago (10:12 PM)
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"[He] criticized the US government for not allowing private citizens to us whatever currency they want." Seems to me when it comes to intellectu*al currency, this guy needs a bailout!

TheN8tureBoy 8 minutes ago (10:14 PM)
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Why should the government have a monopoly on currency?

mpilkanis 6 minutes ago (10:16 PM)
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I have a better question: why shouldn't it?

Craig2 0 minute ago (10:21 PM)
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Good evening TheN8tureB*oy, First the Government does not have a monopoly on money or currency. What are credit cards? A type of currency.


Knackwurst 7 minutes ago (10:15 PM)
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my take on him is that he absolutely does not believe much of it (fiscally) his job is to suck votes away from dems. this is Ron trying to, at the end of the day, still make people afraid of government*. so that they can control it.

[specsaregood]

the fact that it pisses off the "left" indicates to me that he is right on target with the GOP voters in IA.

[AuH20]

Ask the left why multinational corporations aren't falling over each other to sponsor Ron Paul's campaign, if he's such a corporatist? For one, competition is a sin to these devils. Number two, the government is needed to expand market share and augment profits.

[bwlibertyman]

Those are hilarious. Credit cards are a type of currency. Are you kidding me? wow.

[IDefendThePlatform]

Damn it this speech is why I love that guy. No one else freaking says this stuff. To Paul Ryan: nice try, but you are really missing the whole point. Dammit thats what I want in a politician. Don't just propose cuts and then try to defend them based on balancing the budget or some other government reason. Change the idea about what the role of government ought to be.

[aGameOfThrones]

The hits keep coming...



eyecon 3 minutes ago (11:00 PM)
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Well Ron, too, will be addressing that anti-gay hate group in Iowa. Another faux libertaria*n. BTW, Paul has had some VERY embarrassi*ng incidents exposing his virulent antisemiti*sm. IMO, Paul is just a transmitte*r for the white supremacis*t movement. He takes the Stormfront*.org talking points, cleans them up and repeats them as mainstream*. In case you didn't know, Paul is also a crackpot who is wed to numerous conspiracy theories including the Amero, the NAFTA Superhighw*ay, The North American Union and a whole host of things that cranks embrace.


johnmorgan 8 minutes ago (10:55 PM)
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When I read the article title, I thought that maybe Ron Paul had commented that this Republican budget plan is cruel, ridiculous and deceitful.

Then I read that he's against socialism, as if anyone in Congress were really proposing anything left-wing here. What does socialism have to do with this budget? All I learned from this article is that Ron Paul is not in reality.


Kat Posing 9 minutes ago (10:54 PM)
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I would only vote for Paul if you gave me a couple million dollars and a nice house in Switzerlan*d.

The only true congressma*n who is actively attempting to make change is Bernie Sanders.


cameron d 12 minutes ago (10:51 PM)
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“And if we don’t have a house, they’ll give us a house. If we don’t have education, they’ll give us free education. If we’re hungry, we get food stamps."

That sounds exactly like the kind of country I'd like to live in.

johnmorgan 7 minutes ago (10:56 PM)
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Yes. And it sounds like the Christian ideal too. Remarkable that these conservati*ves wear their religion on their sleeve, while taking from the poor.


aaron mayeux 7 minutes ago (10:55 PM)
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You little people don't give "them" any taxes. That free education isn't free is the point he's making. The federal government cannot provide for you from cradle to grave, im sorry. Eventually the money runs out. He wants small government by and for the people. Why don't you want your local city or state government to decide how the tax money is spent? Don't you think they'd know better how to spend the money than some bureaucrat in D.C. or a congressme*n 5 states over?

Response...


jimtpat 0 minute ago (11:03 PM)
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In a word....no*.

In more than one word...Hel*l, No! But then I'm from Texas...Th*e federal government was the best thing that ever happened to us. Lyndon Johnson would have never accomplish*ed anything in state government*.

[AuH20]

The hits keep coming...

The same LBJ who colluded to kill the liberal icon JFK. I can't believe these people.

[Sola_Fide]

the fact that it pisses off the "left" indicates to me that he is right on target with the GOP voters in IA.

Bingo.

[AGRP]

the fact that it pisses off the "left" indicates to me that he is right on target with the GOP voters in IA.

Careful with that theory. That's exactly how the Federal Reserve came to be.

[IDefendThePlatform]

The hits keep coming...

My God, how are we supposed to live in the same country with these people? Seriously?

[AuH20]

My God, how are we supposed to live in the same country with these people? Seriously?

It's called arrested development. At some point, their emotional centers took precedence over their brains.

[AGRP]

Heres the speech:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4MM-77-2-8&feature=player_embedded#at=83

[AtomiC]

Wow we're surrounded by stupid, ignorant people. We have a lot more work to do! -.-

[AuH20]

Ron brings up an interesting point in that speech. Do irresponsible people deserve freedom? Freedom isn't a one-sided street.

[White Bear Lake]

See, anybody who goes off saying how we need to win over "progressives" needs to be pointed to this thread. The left completely bases everything off of emotions and feel good solutions and honestly has no rational thought process. There may be a few one issue anti-war liberals who support Paul but the majority are died-in-the-wool socialists. As much as we may disagree with the GOP and conservatives, they're our only hope. The Democrat party is the party of govenment and state control and is 180degrees opposite of everyting we stand for.

[Dave Aiello]

Guys, we need some help on the comments section.. Ron is getting destroyed.

[mczerone]

See, anybody who goes off saying how we need to win over "progressives" needs to be pointed to this thread. The left completely bases everything off of emotions and feel good solutions and honestly has no rational thought process. There may be a few one issue anti-war liberals who support Paul but the majority are died-in-the-wool socialists. As much as we may disagree with the GOP and conservatives, they're our only hope. The Democrat party is the party of govenment and state control and is 180degrees opposite of everyting we stand for.

Huff post = Free Republic. These aren't your typical left-of-center Democrat voters, these are the hyper-partisan cranks that cannot be won without first converting everyone who listens to them. I'm sure some of us, in our more ignorant days, would have been right with these loud-mouths.

Education can win almost anyone, but the message must be tailored to appeal to those ends which they value. These people really want to live in a world with "free" healthcare, education, food, iPods, etc. We need to show them that, while the utopia is never attainable, as the production of these things have real costs, the market is the better way to secure them with the best quality and lowest cost. Uncle Sam is not Santa Clause. It's sad that they believe otherwise, but rather than give up altogether, the tactic should be to convert those who are open to persuasion which speaks their language first, and let them convert the rest.

[tpreitzel]

Really, it's basically a simple task. Keep quantifying the cost of their selfish ideology in terms of cost. Want the government to provide X service? Ding, here's the cost. Each American is already in debt to the tune of ~45K. Demonstrate this cost in stark terms and prevent the individual from attempting to disown the cost due to irresponsibility. If the country goes bankrupt, where will the government acquire the assets to pay off the national debt? Your house, car, boat, kids (figuratively as financial slaves for life), etc.?

Recently, I was expressing similar thoughts to a woman and she remarked that her mortgage was paid in full so she wasn't too worried until I mentioned that she would likely lose her "paid in full" house in a national bankruptcy if she didn't have the cash to cover her portion of the national debt. Silence ensued....

[AuH20]

Guys, we need some help on the comments section.. Ron is getting destroyed.

I just wrote this. Progs naturally stay away from me on these type of boards. :D

Ron Paul is incredibly misunderst*ood because too many people arrive at emotionall*y driven conclusion*s and myopic short-term outlooks. Ask yourself, if Ron Paul is this so-called agent of corporatis*m, why didn't the fortune 500 companies of the world monetarily support his past campaigns? The Goldman Sachs and GEs of the world don't want any part of him because of two key factors (1) he's an advocate for competitio*n in the marketplac*e which has become an anachronis*m (2) he's against these select corporatio*ns utilizing the immense, centralize*d resources of the federal government to expand market share and in the process augment profits.

Now let's move on to his controvers*ial positions on the role of government in our lives. By definition and in his own words, Dr. Ron Paul is a minimalist in that he views that the federal government has a select few defined powers. Obviously, in this forum, this view is going to be deemed controvers*ial in terms of humanitari*an aid. But can we truly have a viable society in which freedom is detached from the element of responsibi*lity? That doesn't necessaril*y mean that you leave your less fortunate neighbor to rot in the back alleyway, but the local community takes the responsibi*lity of aiding those in need as opposed to a corrupt, self-servi*ng bureaucrac*y. I think we need to move away from this "one-size fits all" macro beast in Washington and empower local communitie*s to tackle social ills.

[aGameOfThrones]

Guys, we need some help on the comments section.. Ron is getting destroyed.


Futile! "Never underestimate the power of fools in large numbers."

[BamaAla]

The comments section is disheartening.

Do any of you meet people like this in real life? I've become accustomed to the W. style republicans and know how to handle myself around them, but this is a different animal. In 6 years of college including studying abroad in Sweden, I've never met one of these; I'm not sure I would know what to do if I did.

[AuH20]

Look what this schmuck wrote. Ron is somehow an agent for big business? ROFL:


Google Inc $52,801
Microsoft Corp $47,923
US Postal Service $26,591
Lockheed Martin $23,425
Hewlett-Pa*ckard $23,318
Cisco Systems $23,007
Boeing Co $22,434
Verizon Communicat*ions $19,944
US Dept of Defense $19,198
General Dynamics $18,206
Wachovia Corp $17,629
AT&T Inc $17,596
Northrop Grumman $16,907
Apple Inc $15,903
Raytheon Co $15,129
General Electric $15,000
IBM Corp $14,980

Yup, looks like business hates him

[aGameOfThrones]

I just wrote this. Progs naturally stay away from me on these type of boards. :D

Ron Paul is incredibly misunderst*ood because too many people arrive at emotionall*y driven conclusion*s and myopic short-term outlooks. Ask yourself, if Ron Paul is this so-called agent of corporatis*m, why didn't the fortune 500 companies of the world monetarily support his past campaigns? The Goldman Sachs and GEs of the world don't want any part of him because of two key factors (1) he's an advocate for competitio*n in the marketplac*e which has become an anachronis*m (2) he's against these select corporatio*ns utilizing the immense, centralize*d resources of the federal government to expand market share and in the process augment profits.

Now let's move on to his controvers*ial positions on the role of government in our lives. By definition and in his own words, Dr. Ron Paul is a minimalist in that he views that the federal government has a select few defined powers. Obviously, in this forum, this view is going to be deemed controvers*ial in terms of humanitari*an aid. But can we truly have a viable society in which freedom is detached from the element of responsibi*lity? That doesn't necessaril*y mean that you leave your less fortunate neighbor to rot in the back alleyway, but the local community takes the responsibi*lity of aiding those in need as opposed to a corrupt, self-servi*ng bureaucrac*y. I think we need to move away from this "one-size fits all" macro beast in Washington and empower local communitie*s to tackle social ills.


A response to your comment...




BuckJ * 2 minutes ago (1:22 AM)
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"but the local community takes the responsibi lity of aiding those in need "

And that's just vague enough to never actually result in any help.

[Sola_Fide]

Heres the speech:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4MM-77-2-8&feature=player_embedded#at=83

That was a magnificent speech. I agree with every word.

[AuH20]

A response to your comment...

I responded to him to. Apparently, my comment is under review. I talked about Catholic Charities and how less fortunate Americans didn't starve to death before LBJ's Great Society Initiative.

[aGameOfThrones]

Look what this schmuck wrote. Ron is somehow an agent for big business? ROFL:


Answer with this:

Obama's top contributors:

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

[JCLibertarian]

The mindset of your average leftist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMhG4MuCan0&feature=related

[AuH20]

Oh boy. I'm sure to make more fans with this one:

Who watches the government once it's large enough to regulate the malfeasance of corporations? Did anyone ever think of that huge potential problem? Secondly, why give the corporations a tool of immense power to increase their influence and control? If I was a nefarious CEO with an influential lobbying arm, I'd be an advocate for the most powerful government in the world. I could use the nation's military to extract valuable resources from other regions at a whim. Through legislative prodding, I could force citizens to purchase goods produced only from my company. The possibilities are endless with everything tied together in one nice neat bow.

[nate895]

My God, how are we supposed to live in the same country with these people? Seriously?

These comments are strong arguments in favor of secession.

[heavenlyboy34]

That person votes.

And there are thousands like him. That is why I have no faith in voters to make the right decisions for me.

[heavenlyboy34]

That person votes.

And there are thousands like him. :( That is why I have no faith in voters to make the right decisions for me.

[aGameOfThrones]

A gem...



nanjemoy * 6 minutes ago (1:44 AM)
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What is the proper role of government ?

He's right (at least he got one), it is an important question.

The Constituti on has a pretty, you know, Constituti onal take on it: "
* * * to form a more perfect Union,
* * * establish Justice,
* * * insure domestic Tranquilit y,
* * * provide for the common defence,
* * * promote the general Welfare, and
* * * secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity. "

That doesn't sound bad.

The Libertaria n model would simply cut out the justice part, the welfare part, the more perfect union part. The liberty part is only for those who have means. Everyone has the liberty to drown in the radioactiv e pool ofCrap I get to leave behind.

[nate895]

A gem...

You didn't know that freedom was getting to steal from others for a living? You must be some kind of reactionary.

[AuH20]

And there are thousands like him. :( That is why I have no faith in voters to make the right decisions for me.

If the chief benefactor dies, we can win............................................... .in the interim. Then the process starts all over again. Granted, we'd all be pretty thrilled to live in those early stages.

[BamaAla]

That person votes.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

[AuH20]

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

Were the founding fathers that crazy to exclude property owners? I'm starting to fall onto their side. It's kind like inviting someone over to your house, who pays no rent, mortgage or utilities. They're going to take as many liberties as they can, and in the process trash the place.

[demolama]

Those who own nothing can't be expected to respect the property of others.

[BamaAla]

Were the founding fathers that crazy to exclude property owners? I'm starting to fall onto their side. It's kind like inviting someone over to your house, who pays no rent, mortgage or utilities. They're going to take as many liberties as they can, and in the process trash the place.

You're preaching to the choir man.

[Sola_Fide]

Were the founding fathers that crazy to exclude property owners? I'm starting to fall onto their side. It's kind like inviting someone over to your house, who pays no rent, mortgage or utilities. They're going to take as many liberties as they can, and in the process trash the place.

The founders were right on this imho.

[Dave Aiello]

After reading the comments on the huff-po article, I've decided we are doomed.

[Marenco]

Yeah, the comment section is a horror show.

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'' ~ Martin Luther King, Jr

[Romulus]

Yeah, the comment section is a horror show.

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'' ~ Martin Luther King, Jr

winner

[RideTheDirt]

Yeah, the comment section is a horror show.

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'' ~ Martin Luther King, Jr
^^^^^
This X a million

[Matt Collins]

This is my understanding of Paul Ryan's plan:


- It allows for 10 more years of deficit spending
- It adds between $5-11 TRILLION dollars to the national debt
- It spends a total of $40 TRILLION over the next 10 years
- It will REQUIRE the debt ceiling to be raised
- It's obviously an unbalanced budget (in fact it doesn't fully balance until the year 2040)
- It actually continues to increase spending over the next few years (it merely slows the rate of spending, not actually cutting spending anytime soon)
- It is still bigger than the budget we had under Bill Clinton

Am I right correct???

[jtstellar]

we the ron paul people should just move together and form our own neighborhood and have people standing guard to prevent looting at some point in the future.. i think it'll come to that

[freshjiva]

we the ron paul people should just move together and form our own neighborhood and have people standing guard to prevent looting at some point in the future.. i think it'll come to that

Check out http://www.FreeStateProject.org

[LibertyEagle]

This is a very good picture of Dr. Paul that I saw on that page.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=634040947422&id=e8c6e971c5efda2598a84c62c41b8e4a