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Mani
04-11-2011, 04:18 AM
The article is older, but I've seen it being passed around this week, maybe these meetings are taking place soon? Interesting New World Order, One world government stuff right here.

Nice way to ban US citizens from owning arms without touching the constitution and basically making the Constitution useless. Hey the treaty is all about keeping the guns out of terrorist hands right???

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

(Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States would support the talks as long as the negotiating forum, the so-called Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty, "operates under the rules of consensus decision-making."

"Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly," Clinton said in a written statement.

While praising the Obama administration's decision to overturn the Bush-era policy and to proceed with negotiations to regulate conventional arms sales, some groups criticized the U.S. insistence that decisions on the treaty be unanimous.

"The shift in position by the world's biggest arms exporter is a major breakthrough in launching formal negotiations at the United Nations in order to prevent irresponsible arms transfers," Amnesty International and Oxfam International said in a joint statement.

However, they said insisting that decisions on the treaty be made by consensus "could fatally weaken a final deal."

"Governments must resist US demands to give any single state the power to veto the treaty as this could hold the process hostage during the course of negotiations. We call on all governments to reject such a veto clause," said Oxfam International's policy adviser Debbie Hillier.

The proposed legally binding treaty would tighten regulation of, and set international standards for, the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons.

Supporters say it would give worldwide coverage to close gaps in existing regional and national arms export control systems that allow weapons to pass onto the illicit market.

Nations would remain in charge of their arms export control arrangements but would be legally obliged to assess each export against criteria agreed under the treaty. Governments would have to authorize transfers in writing and in advance.

The main opponent of the treaty in the past was the U.S. Bush administration, which said national controls were better. Last year, the United States accounted for more than two-thirds of some $55.2 billion in global arms transfer deals.

Arms exporters China, Russia and Israel abstained last year in a U.N. vote on the issue.

The proposed treaty is opposed by conservative U.S. think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, which said last month that it would not restrict the access of "dictators and terrorists" to arms but would be used to reduce the ability of democracies such as Israel to defend their people.

The U.S. lobbying group the National Rifle Association has also opposed the treaty.

A resolution before the U.N. General Assembly is sponsored by seven nations including major arms exporter Britain. It calls for preparatory meetings in 2010 and 2011 for a conference to negotiate a treaty in 2012.

roho76
04-11-2011, 07:32 AM
Good luck to them on this one. They know America is going to be harder than Britian or Austrailia but neither if them had the attitude about their gun rights like we do. If they are to get rid of guns in America it will take decades of indoctrination through public schools and they will have to wait until the last person who remembers the 2nd amendment is unable to make a fight. It won't be this president either I can guarantee that.

Mani
04-11-2011, 09:00 AM
It's not just the second amendment that is bothering me, I'm kind of freaked out by this whole International Treaty thing. Does congress have to approve our signing of this treaty? Can Hilary vote for this thing on behalf of the United States of America without our input?

If she can and this becomes international law hasnt our democracy been pissed away and the one world government formed?

Our democracy "works" because we vote for our representatives In congress who make the laws and if dont listen to us we get rid of them. That's how we get the Rand Pau's in office and the other tea party folks. And when congress is slipping something passed us we have watch dog organizations like CFL that tell us and we put pressure on our representatives and they back off or put pressure on their peers etc.

It kinda sorta works. But if one or two people in Washington have the ability to sign the U.S. Up for some international laws and completely bypass congress hasn't our kinda sorta working democracy become null and void?

How does this treaty stuff really work?

Occam's Banana
04-11-2011, 09:49 AM
As far as I can tell, this only has to do with the international arms trade, with respect to conventional (non-nuclear, non-biological, etc.) arms & weapons systems - where the sellers are arms producers (or governments) & the buyers are governments.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this has anything to do with the 2nd amendment - or with enforcing other countries' gun control laws on U.S. cititzens.

That doesn't mean this treaty is a good idea, though. For one thing, it looks like this would be a curtailment of U.S sovereignty.

No surprise the Obama administration supports it (insisting only on the issue of unanimity). The Obama administration globalist? Whooda thunk it?

specsaregood
04-11-2011, 09:54 AM
As far as I can tell, this only has to do with the international arms trade, with respect to conventional (non-nuclear, non-biological, etc.) arms & weapons systems - where the sellers are arms producers (or governments) & the buyers are governments.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this has anything to do with the 2nd amendment - or with enforcing other countries' gun control laws on U.S. cititzens.

That doesn't mean this treaty is a good idea, though. For one thing, it looks like this would be a curtailment of U.S sovereignty.

No surprise the Obama administration supports it (insisting only on the issue of unanimity). The Obama administration globalist? Whooda thunk it?

Perhaps you have missed the big statue in front of the UN. Here maybe this will help ya out:
http://jeremayakovka.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/un_seminar05_statue_2.jpg

Dr.3D
04-11-2011, 11:59 AM
It's not just the second amendment that is bothering me, I'm kind of freaked out by this whole International Treaty thing. Does congress have to approve our signing of this treaty? Can Hilary vote for this thing on behalf of the United States of America without our input?

If she can and this becomes international law hasnt our democracy been pissed away and the one world government formed?

Our democracy "works" because we vote for our representatives In congress who make the laws and if dont listen to us we get rid of them. That's how we get the Rand Pau's in office and the other tea party folks. And when congress is slipping something passed us we have watch dog organizations like CFL that tell us and we put pressure on our representatives and they back off or put pressure on their peers etc.

It kinda sorta works. But if one or two people in Washington have the ability to sign the U.S. Up for some international laws and completely bypass congress hasn't our kinda sorta working democracy become null and void?

How does this treaty stuff really work?

Karl Marx: "Democracy is the road to socialism."