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eOs
04-10-2011, 03:03 PM
http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/10/epa-new-radiation-highs-in-little-rock-milk-philadelphia-drinking-water/

EPA: New Radiation Highs in Little Rock Milk, Philadelphia Drinking Water
Apr. 10 2011 - 6:48 am | 2,102 views | 0 recommendations | 1 comment
By JEFF MCMAHON
A glass of milk



Milk from Little Rock and drinking water from Philadelphia contained the highest levels of Iodine-131 from Japan yet detected by the Environmental Protection Agency, according to data released by EPA Saturday.

The Philadelphia sample is below the EPA’s maximum contaminant level (MCL) for iodine-131, but the Little Rock sample is almost three times higher.

Nonetheless, the EPA does not consider the milk dangerous because the MCL is set for long-term exposure, and the iodine-131 from Japan’s Fukushima-Daichi nuclear accident is expected to be temporary and deteriorate rapidly.

The EPA’s MCL for iodine-131 is 3 picoCuries per liter.

The Little Rock milk sample contained 8.9 picoCuries per liter. It was collected on March 30.

Three drinking water samples collected in Philadelphia on April 4 contained Iodine-131, according to Saturday’s data release:

* A sample from the city’s Queen Lane Treatment Plant showed 2.2 picoCuries per liter—the highest concentration in EPA’s drinking water data so far.
* Water collected at the Belmont Treatment Plant contained 1.3 picocuries, and
* Water collected at the Baxter Treatment Plant contained 0.46 picocuries.

A Google map showing the locations where EPA tested drinking water

Philadelphia sampling sites

Philaphelphia becomes the 14th US city with radioactive fallout detected in its drinking water.

Iodine-131 has a half life of eight days: every eight days, half of its mass decays into a non-radioactive isotope of xenon.

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/10/epa-new-radiation-highs-in-little-rock-milk-philadelphia-drinking-water/

awake
04-10-2011, 03:06 PM
This is meant to whip up the nuclear prohibitionists, environmentalists and interventionists. You know the crowd, 'we need end all life before we accidentally end all life'.

The government has been the source of the worst environmental disasters that our world has ever experienced - A-bomb testing to war devastation and pollution the world over. The fall out is everywhere.

eOs
04-10-2011, 03:09 PM
This is meant to whip up the Nuclear prohibitionists.

Or it's a report on the amount of radioactivity in drinking water and milk. Could certainly have an impact on people's reaction to such a disaster.

eOs
04-10-2011, 03:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNPArE0ohU

eOs
04-10-2011, 03:16 PM
The government has been the source of the worst environmental disasters that our world has ever experienced - A-bomb testing to war devastation and pollution the world over. The fall out is everywhere.

Really? As BP commits one of the worse disasters in history you're going to play the government vs. corporation game...

Anti Federalist
04-10-2011, 03:45 PM
Hmmm...Ok now, I-131 in the decomposition process gives off quite a bit beta radiation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131

So the milk in and around Little Rock is showing three times the safe level of I-131?

But yet, according to the EPA's website, fixed radiation monitors in Little Rock show no increase in beta count radiation?

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/rert/radnet-littlerock-bg.html

WTF???

I'm calling Shenanigans.

silverhandorder
04-10-2011, 04:35 PM
Really? As BP commits one of the worse disasters in history you're going to play the government vs. corporation game...

British Petroleum

kahless
04-10-2011, 04:38 PM
This is meant to whip up the nuclear prohibitionists, environmentalists and interventionists. You know the crowd, 'we need end all life before we accidentally end all life'.

Yes, we must not question our nuclear corporate overlords. They are perfection, infallable and uncorruptable. We must willingly give ourselves to them and our children for generations to come without question. It is our patriotic duty to forever pay taxes to the government so this industry can survive and waste maintained for generations. Radiation is good for you, just take KI if you get too much. /sarcasm

:rolleyes:

awake
04-10-2011, 05:09 PM
In the current anti-capitalist world that we live in, nuclear power is exclusively state controlled, it is a fascist/socialist business model. Nuclear disasters are given to you by the state. There are competitors to nuke power that would see it as a perfect coup to get nuke power banned in every form, which is as I believe, the propaganda element that we are seeing.

Free market nuclear power would be great but the guns of the state hold it from us.

BTW, The "corporate overlords" in this realm are unofficial bureaucrats at best.


With 40 thousand deaths on U.S. Highways per year, using the logic of no nuke people, we would see both highways banned and cars abolished.

awake
04-10-2011, 05:31 PM
British Petroleum

I'm with Rothbard in my train of thoughts on this; BP paid a huge price for this disaster, huge in numerous ways: Lost lives, damaged reputation and massive amounts of money. To say they need to be driven out of business because of this disaster is to say that what they do is not important in the least. This would a be dishonest, they provide a much needed commodity. I would prefer an uncorrupted market in oil, but that's not doable in the present.

Oil companies are corrupted by the state, this is undeniable, but they are not the IRS, we do need oil.

I sometimes think that people would still hate oil companies in a completely free market, which reveals their anti-capitalist biased.

rawful
04-10-2011, 06:00 PM
I'm drinking Philadelphia water right now. :( How long do I have?

Anti Federalist
04-10-2011, 06:20 PM
Take your potassium iodide, now.


Poland, 300 miles from Chernobyl, also distributed KI to protect its population. Approximately 18 million doses were distributed, with follow-up studies showing no known thyroid cancer among KI recipients.[32] With the passage of time, people living in irradiated areas where KI was not available have developed thyroid cancer at epidemic levels, which is why the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reported “The data clearly demonstrate the risks of thyroid radiation...KI can be used [to] provide safe and effective protection against thyroid cancer caused by irradiation.[33]

Chernobyl also demonstrated that the need to protect the thyroid from radiation was greater than expected. Within ten years of the accident, it became clear that thyroid damage caused by released radioactive iodine was virtually the only adverse health effect that could be measured. As reported by the NRC, studies after the accident showed that “As of 1996, except for thyroid cancer, there has been no confirmed increase in the rates of other cancers, including leukemia, among the...public, that have been attributed to releases from the accident.”[34]

Agorism
04-10-2011, 06:23 PM
So how high is this. Enough to cause thyroid damage to ppl in Arkansas?

Carehn
04-10-2011, 06:36 PM
I don't minimize the report or think its not real but i also have seen news reports come out in perfect timing for new legislation. I think this radiation is horrible but im much more afraid of government. I would guess I'm much, much, much, much more likely to be affected or killed buy government ether directly or indirectly then i am a privatively owned power plant.

I would hate for this to raise the cost of power because of some government reaction.

If its my safety, health, standard of living, happiness that is the standard, in all cases government should logically be feared the most. Never look to them for help. NEVER.

Carehn
04-10-2011, 06:38 PM
I'm drinking Philadelphia water right now. :( How long do I have?

In no doctor but i cant see why picking up a little kelp at the health store could go wrong.

Anti Federalist
04-10-2011, 06:51 PM
So how high is this. Enough to cause thyroid damage to ppl in Arkansas?

Put it this way, it can't help.

And, for a normal healthy person, taking KI can't hurt.

kahless
04-10-2011, 10:53 PM
In the current anti-capitalist world that we live in, nuclear power is exclusively state controlled, it is a fascist/socialist business model. Nuclear disasters are given to you by the state. There are competitors to nuke power that would see it as a perfect coup to get nuke power banned in every form, which is as I believe, the propaganda element that we are seeing.

Free market nuclear power would be great but the guns of the state hold it from us.

BTW, The "corporate overlords" in this realm are unofficial bureaucrats at best.


With 40 thousand deaths on U.S. Highways per year, using the logic of no nuke people, we would see both highways banned and cars abolished.

When a technology cheaper and superior to nuclear technology comes out, these companies will go out of business. Therefore the taxpayers will be left maintaining the old plants and waste from it for generations to come. Your support of this technology enslaves others now and for generations to government.

If government was completely out of regulating nuclear power no new plants would be funded since they are too dam expensive to build or insure. Since they are uninsurable an accident again would fall to the taxpayers. So effectively the taxpayers are ensuring the plant and again are slaves to both government and the nuclear power industry.

An industry that essentially owns Congress otherwise they would not be giving them bailouts with our money.

Anti Federalist
04-11-2011, 09:53 PM
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ds21089
04-11-2011, 09:58 PM
Put it this way, it can't help.

And, for a normal healthy person, taking KI can't hurt.

I heard KI isn't good to take for a long period of time. Should we really start taking them now when this could drag out for weeks?

Anti Federalist
04-11-2011, 10:15 PM
I heard KI isn't good to take for a long period of time. Should we really start taking them now when this could drag out for weeks?

I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.

That said, it's my understanding that a run of KI dosing should provide protection for a number of days.

Research it and look into dosing amounts and schedules for you and your family.

FWIW, my family is in Dallas right now visiting inlaws and they are taking KI as am I.

AuH20
04-11-2011, 10:18 PM
Rosemary is another substance that can combat radiation exposure:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026079_rosemary_cancer_health.html

Anti Federalist
04-11-2011, 10:42 PM
•While the levels in the rainwater exceed the applicable Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) of 3piC/L for drinking water, it is important to note that the corresponding MCL for iodine-131 was calculated based on long-term chronic exposures over the course of a lifetime 70 years

http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/japan-faqs.html#precip-dw-milk

So, the milk is poisonous if you drank it over the course of a 70 year lifetime.

Why am I not reassured?