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tmay1975
10-25-2007, 10:59 AM
House Passes Thought Crime Prevention Bill
10-25-2007


The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. If passed into law, it will also establish a commission and a Center of Excellence to study and defeat so called thought criminals. Unlike previous anti-terror legislation, this bill specifically targets the civilian population of the United States and uses vague language to define homegrown terrorism. Amazingly, 404 of our elected representatives from both the Democrat and Republican parties voted in favor of this bill. There is little doubt that this bill is specifically targeting the growing patriot community that is demanding the restoration of the Constitution.
First let's take a look at the definitions of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as defined in Section 899A of the bill.

The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn't specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the government according to this definition can define whatever they want as an extremist belief system. Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

The definition of homegrown terrorism uses equally vague language to further define thought crime. The bill includes the planned use of force or violence as homegrown terrorism which could be interpreted as thinking about using force or violence. Not only that but the definition is so vaguely defined, that petty crimes could even fall into the category of homegrown terrorism. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

Section 899B of the bill goes over the findings of Congress as it pertains to homegrown terrorism. Particularly alarming is that the bill mentions the Internet as a main source for terrorist propaganda. The bill even mentions streams in obvious reference to many of the patriot and pro-constitution Internet radio networks that have been formed. It also mentions that homegrown terrorists span all ages and races indicating that the Congress is stating that everyone is a potential terrorist. Even worse is that Congress states in their findings that they should look at draconian police states like Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom as models to defeat homegrown terrorists. Literally, these findings of Congress fall right in line with the growing patriot community.

The biggest joke of all is that this section also says that any measure to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism should not violate the constitutional rights of citizens. However, the definition of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as they are defined in section 899A are themselves unconstitutional. The Constitution does not allow the government to arrest people for thought crimes, so any promises not to violate the constitutional rights of citizens are already broken by their own definitions.

`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.

`The Congress finds the following:

`(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.

`(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.

`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

`(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.

`(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.

`(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions.

`(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.

`(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

`(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.










Section 899C calls for a commission on the prevention of violent radicalization and ideologically based violence. The commission will consist of ten members appointed by various individuals that hold different positions in government. Essentially, this is a commission that will examine and report on how they are going to deal with violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. So basically, the commission is being formed specifically on how to deal with thought criminals in the United States. The bill requires that the commission submit their final report 18 months following the commission's first meeting as well as submit interim reports every 6 months leading up to the final report. Below is the bill's defined purpose of the commission. Amazingly they even define one of the purposes of the commission to determine the causes of lone wolf violent radicalization.

(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:

`(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.

`(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--

`(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;

`(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and

`(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.





Section 899D of the bill establishes a Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States. Essentially, this will be a Department of Homeland Security affiliated institution that will study and determine how to defeat thought criminals.

Section 899E of the bill discusses how the government is going to defeat violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism through international cooperation. As stated in the findings section earlier in the legislation, they will unquestionably seek the advice of countries with draconian police states like the United Kingdom to determine how to deal with this growing threat of thought crime.

Possibly the most ridiculous section of the bill is Section 899F which states how they plan on protecting civil rights and civil liberties while preventing ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism. Here is what the section says.

`SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

`(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.

`(b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.

`(c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security will develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not result in a disproportionate impact, without a rational basis, on any particular race, ethnicity, or religion and include the results of its audit in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of contents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by inserting at the end of the items relating to title VIII the following:




It states in the first subsection that in general the efforts to defeat thought crime shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of the United States citizens and lawful permanent residents. How does this protect constitutional rights if they use vague language such as in general that prefaces the statement? This means that the Department of Homeland Security does not have to abide by the Constitution in their attempts to prevent so called homegrown terrorism.

This bill is completely insane. It literally allows the government to define any and all crimes including thought crime as violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Obviously, this legislation is unconstitutional on a number of levels and it is clear that all 404 representatives who voted in favor of this bill are traitors and should be removed from office immediately. The treason spans both political parties and it shows us all that there is no difference between them. The bill will go on to the Senate and will likely be passed and signed into the law by George W. Bush. Considering that draconian legislation like the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act have already been passed, there seems little question that this one will get passed as well. This is more proof that our country has been completely sold out by a group of traitors at all levels of government.

American
10-25-2007, 11:08 AM
I read this yesterday, I made a post also. This is just sickening, I hope people call there reps and get this repealed. This passed overwhelmingly which scares me.....

Original_Intent
10-25-2007, 11:14 AM
I read this yesterday, I made a post also. This is just sickening, I hope people call there reps and get this repealed. This passed overwhelmingly which scares me.....

I am going to say this while I still legally can -

"Keep your powder dry!"

This is scary, scary stuff.

LBennett76
10-25-2007, 11:16 AM
I already know that I'm on a list somewhere. I've visited what the government would call "questionable" websites... including this one. *wink wink* But I'm getting a hold of my rep. ASAP I don't think he realizes how big this is. He's just a down home country boy in his first term playing with the big boys in Washington. So we'll see I guess.

tmay1975
10-25-2007, 11:18 AM
Sorry about posting it after you had already. I didn't see it and wanted to make sure that it got up and around.

Only SIX "nay" votes?!?!?!? That is sick and depraved yet, on the other hand, with how things are going, not surpising.

Ron Paul would have surely voted against it if here were there.

It's this type of bill that I'd like him to bring up on the campaign trail and explain how easily it could be used to supress our country en masse.

tmay1975
10-25-2007, 11:20 AM
I already know that I'm on a list somewhere. I've visited what the government would call "questionable" websites... including this one. *wink wink* But I'm getting a hold of my rep. ASAP I don't think he realizes how big this is. He's just a down home country boy in his first term playing with the big boys in Washington. So we'll see I guess.
Make sure you also call your two Senators and demand that they vote against it once it gets up to THEM for a vote!!

Sandy
10-25-2007, 11:34 AM
So now it goes to the Senate??? Did they vote on it, and now the House has passed it, too? Do you have a link for the votes? Want to know if any of my state reps voted no. Want to figure out who I need to call and say what to. I can't believe these Constitutionally derelict imbeciles.

tmay1975
10-25-2007, 11:51 AM
So now it goes to the Senate??? Did they vote on it, and now the House has passed it, too? Do you have a link for the votes? Want to know if any of my state reps voted no. Want to figure out who I need to call and say what to. I can't believe these Constitutionally derelict imbeciles.
Hey Sandy,

It was first voted on and passed in the House....Now that it passed in the House it goes to the Senate floor to be voted on. I'm not exactly sure when that will be though.

Here's the link to see who voted "nay" on the bill.....There aren't very many!!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993

Take care,
Tmay

DaronWestbrooke
10-25-2007, 11:53 AM
Being discussed here-
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=28691

Wendi
10-25-2007, 12:01 PM
Like I said yesterday... I find a lot of sickening irony in the date the bill was originally introduced. April 19th. Google it.

It seems there's been a lot of "shots heard 'round the world" on that day.

DaronWestbrooke
10-25-2007, 12:03 PM
Why didn't Dr. Paul vote against this? He voted on other bills that day.

parke
10-25-2007, 12:05 PM
I think Im going to puke. 1984 has arrived Mr. Winston Smith.

freelance
10-25-2007, 12:10 PM
Make sure you also call your two Senators and demand that they vote against it once it gets up to THEM for a vote!!

Maybe you ought to read the part about "interfering with the government" first. LOL!

LBennett76
10-25-2007, 12:24 PM
Welp, my house rep, Charlie Wilson from Ohio, didn't vote on it at all, so I'm happy. I would have preferred a "NAY" vote, but at least it wasn't an "AYE". So a thank you goes out to my congressman. Now I've got to get ahold of my senators. Who are they anyway? I never hear about anything they've doing so I don't even remember who they are. I think I'm going to go do a little research because I feel really stupid right now. Just shows how much my senators are doing for my state I guess.

Zydeco
10-25-2007, 12:25 PM
Welcome to dictatorship.

Mortikhi
10-25-2007, 12:27 PM
Where is a link to see how our Representatives voted?

tmay1975
10-25-2007, 12:35 PM
Maybe you ought to read the part about "interfering with the government" first. LOL!
Yeah...No kidding....Whow know how far they can extend that kind of crap!! LOL

tmay1975
10-25-2007, 12:37 PM
Where is a link to see how our Representatives voted?
Here you go....

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2007-993

tmay1975
10-25-2007, 12:39 PM
Welp, my house rep, Charlie Wilson from Ohio, didn't vote on it at all, so I'm happy. I would have preferred a "NAY" vote, but at least it wasn't an "AYE". So a thank you goes out to my congressman. Now I've got to get ahold of my senators. Who are they anyway? I never hear about anything they've doing so I don't even remember who they are. I think I'm going to go do a little research because I feel really stupid right now. Just shows how much my senators are doing for my state I guess.
To find out who your senators are and get their contact info as well, go here:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

freelance
10-25-2007, 01:44 PM
Well, at least one Republican from TN voted Nay--John Duncan from the 2nd District. He sometimes votes against this Orwellian stuff.

Mortikhi
10-25-2007, 01:46 PM
My pos "Rep" Jeff Miller voted Aye

Next election I'm going to picket this mofo everywhere he goes.