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tangent4ronpaul
04-08-2011, 03:51 AM
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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/fourth-amendment-email-2/

The Obama administration is urging Congress not to adopt legislation that would impose constitutional safeguards on Americans’ e-mail stored in the cloud.

As the law stands now, the authorities may obtain cloud e-mail without a warrant if it is older than 180 days, thanks to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act adopted in 1986. At that time, e-mail left on a third-party server for six months was considered to be abandoned, and thus enjoyed less privacy protection. However, the law demands warrants for the authorities to seize e-mail from a person’s hard drive.

A coalition of internet service providers and other groups, known as Digital Due Process, has lobbied for an update to the law to treat both cloud- and home-stored e-mail the same, and thus require a probable-cause warrant for access. The Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on that topic Tuesday.

The companies — including Google, AOL and AT&T — maintain that the law should be changed to reflect that consumers increasingly access their e-mail on servers, instead of downloading it to their hard drives, as a matter of course.

But the Obama administration testified that imposing constitutional safeguards on e-mail stored in the cloud would be an unnecessary burden on the government. Probable-cause warrants would only get in the government’s way.

James A. Baker, associate deputy attorney general, testified:

Congress should recognize the collateral consequences to criminal law enforcement and the national security of the United States if ECPA were to provide only one means — a probable cause warrant — for compelling disclosure of all stored content. For example, in order to obtain a search warrant for a particular e-mail account, law enforcement has to establish probable cause to believe that evidence will be found in that particular account. In some cases, this link can be hard to establish. In one recent case, for example, law enforcement officers knew that a child exploitation subject had used one account to send and receive child pornography, and officers discovered that he had another email account, but they lacked evidence about his use of the second account.

Baker invoked the usual parade of horribles in his argument.

“The government’s ability to access, review, analyze and act promptly upon the communications of criminals that we acquire lawfully, as well as data pertaining to such communications, is vital to our mission to protect the public from terrorists, spies, organized criminals, kidnappers and other malicious actors,” (.pdf) Baker testified.

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acptulsa
04-08-2011, 08:00 AM
Aw, is the Law of the Land too onerous for the 'Department of Justice' to follow?

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

Trigonx
04-08-2011, 08:04 AM
who the fuck do these people thing they are? Oh right, not mundanes.

fisharmor
04-08-2011, 08:43 AM
1st - meaningless.
2nd - meaningless.
3rd - meaningless.
4th - meaningless.
5th - meaningless.
7th - meaningless.
8th - meaningless.
9th - meaningless.
10th - meaningless.
11th - meaningless.
12th - meaningless.
13th - meaningless.
14th - meaningless.
15th - useful for keeping the others meaningless.
16th - SACRED.
17th - SACRED.
18th - meaningless.
19th - SACRED.
20th - mostly adhered to.
21st - meaningless.
22nd - mostly adhered to.
23rd - mostly adhered to.
24th - useful for keeping the others meaningless.
25th - useful for keeping the others meaningless.
26th - useful for keeping the others meaningless.
27th - useful for keeping the others meaningless.

There's a pattern.....

WyoLiberty
04-08-2011, 09:28 AM
Hell with it. Burn the Constitution - it doesn't protect anything anyway, and I'll defend my inherent rights myself...:mad:

tangent4ronpaul
04-08-2011, 09:57 AM
Burn it? - nah....

http://elenaives.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Constitution_toilet_paper.jpg

Actually, I've been looking all over for someplace to buy a few rolls to send to some critters. You know, in case they were out. Haven't found anyplace that sells it yet. Anyone know of a place?

UtahApocalypse
04-08-2011, 10:12 AM
You know Google, AOL, At&t and others could easily prevent this already if they wanted to. In their terms of service they just need to activities identify that the User OWNS the section of hard drive, or data space they purchase or are granted with membership. Once that data is part of Your proerty, and not the company where it is stored then the 4th should trump any law that they would, could, or will write.

I know that the 4th won't stop them but at least this would give another tool to fight back with.