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tangent4ronpaul
04-02-2011, 11:23 PM
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/04/music-industry-cloud-player/

Amazon’s decision to launch its new Cloud Player without securing additional music licenses has been described as a “bold move” by many observers. It takes serious guts for Amazon to simply declare that it doesn’t need licenses — especially when even casual observers know the music industry thinks otherwise.

Still, this isn’t a one-dimensional issue, and the law has yet to deal much with services like Amazon’s. Record companies fantasize about huge revenues from streaming services, and they fear digital lockers like the plague.

If the record labels don’t come to a licensing agreement with Amazon soon, they will either be forced to take legal action or implicitly allow other music companies to ditch cloud licenses too.
Amazon vs. the music industry

Amazon launched two new services, Cloud Drive and Cloud Player, earlier this week. U.S. Amazon customers can get free online storage from Amazon to use for whatever they please, but users are heavily encouraged to upload their local music libraries. All Amazon MP3 purchases are automatically synced to the user’s Cloud Drive without counting against the quota, too.

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If Apple and Google are dutifully trying to hammer out licensing deals, why did Amazon go ahead and launch Cloud Player without them?

Amazon argues that Cloud Drive and Cloud Player are just services that let users upload and play back their own music, just like “any number of existing media management applications.” After all, licenses shouldn’t be necessary for users to play their own music, right? The labels seem to disagree — they expressed shock following Amazon’s announcement, with a Sony Music representative implying that the company was looking into legal options.

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“The word ’streaming’ and the word ‘download’ are nowhere in copyright law,” MP3tunes‘ CEO Michael Robertson told Ars.

“It may be a very logical, common sense position, but all that matters is what the law says. Can you store your own music? Can you listen from anywhere? What if your wife or kids want to listen to it? All those things are completely uncharted territory.”

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Amazon has likely agreed not to allow, for example, music redownloads after a user has purchased a song (a complaint that often crops up about music purchased from the iTunes Store as well).

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“All were or have been wrapped up in years of litigation over the same essential issue: to what extent is it permissible to allow consumers to time, place and/or device-shift ‘their’ media?”

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“The record labels believe a cloud license is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions, over the next decade,” Robertson told us. “And, the record labels are really infatuated with the notion that cloud lockers are going to be used for pirating.”

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“It’s interesting to note that Amazon tells users of its MP3 music download service they have the right to ‘copy, store, transfer and burn the digital content only for [their] personal, non-commercial, entertainment use.’ Though they may sound benign, those are some pretty broad and potentially controversial assertions,” she said.

“Perhaps Amazon has been positioning itself, in anticipation of this new service, to argue users do indeed have all these rights in their digital music?”

heavenlyboy34
04-02-2011, 11:29 PM
Awesome news, thanks. I'm looking forward to the death of corporate music. :cool:

AdamT
04-03-2011, 12:28 AM
How is holding your purchased music in a "cloud player" any different than holding them in the memory of an iPod? They are just different forms of storage. These labels are really reaching.

Matt Collins
04-03-2011, 09:56 AM
There is a service in Europe that is very successful:
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/07/spotify-set-to-take-america-by-storm/

Anti Federalist
04-03-2011, 10:38 AM
Awesome news, thanks. I'm looking forward to the death of corporate music. :cool:

Agreed.

Not to beat on dead horse here, but maybe you can see where I'm coming from when I say I hate the idea of private roads.

What a nightmare getting around would be if an RIAA type association owned every road in the country.

An building a new interstate to "compete" is not nearly as easy as throwing up a new music server.

awake
04-03-2011, 11:09 AM
I have made post recently about the "Cloud". It is one of the many initiatives to socialize the internet through centralizing all data and applications on public funded infrastructure in a fee for access model the same as a public utility. Private Clouds are defiantly the better of the two models - clearly. But don't get hoodwinked, the public model is the sole intent.

The term "locker" that's being thrown around is an interesting concept to say the least. From the idea of "The Cloud", the public internet model would most likely treat these lockers the same as the public school variety: they will be searched for contraband when it pleases the authorities (IP).

As is the case now, your hard drive is your property;your "Cloud Locker" is not. "The Cloud" is central processing and storage which makes it much easier to search and regulate if you are the authorities.

When they stop putting hard drives in the computers you will have to centrally store and process from the public utilities. Centralization in this case is not a good thing. Central data banking will be much like central monetary banking: once all information is in a central "Cloud" it can be manipulated and controlled for political purposes. See memory hole.

Each hard drive is like a free mind, it can store the most crucial information away from those who wish to destroy it. Protected away for a time when it is needed the most.

Having all of ones online activity, digital data, and processing centrally recorded and controlled simply becomes the equivalent of a confessional booth wired directly to the god-verment. Let's hope the public model never comes to fruition.

Anti Federalist
04-03-2011, 11:31 AM
Couldn't agree more, excellent post!


I have made post recently about the "Cloud". It is one of the many initiatives to socialize the internet through centralizing all data and applications on public funded infrastructure in a fee for access model the same as a public utility. Private Clouds are defiantly the better of the two models - clearly. But don't get hoodwinked, the public model is the sole intent.

The term "locker" that's being thrown around is an interesting concept to say the least. From the idea of "The Cloud", the public internet model would most likely treat these lockers the same as the public school variety: they will be searched for contraband when it pleases the authorities (IP).

As is the case now, your hard drive is your property;your "Cloud Locker" is not. "The Cloud" is central processing and storage which makes it much easier to search and regulate if you are the authorities.

When they stop putting hard drives in the computers you will have to centrally store and process from the public utilities. Centralization in this case is not a good thing. Central data banking will be much like central monetary banking: once all information is in a central "Cloud" it can be manipulated and controlled for political purposes. See memory hole.

Each hard drive is like a free mind, it can store the most crucial information away from those who wish to destroy it. Protected away for a time when it is needed the most.

Having all of ones online activity, digital data, and processing centrally recorded and controlled simply becomes the equivalent of confessional booth wired directly to the god-verment. Let's hope the public model never comes to fruition.