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nate895
03-26-2011, 04:47 PM
Recent events have come to highlight the hypocrisy that runs deep in American minds, particularly in regard to war. First, there is this war in Libya that shows how double-minded our government can be. Then, recently I decided to read about World War I since our last veteran of that terribly stupid conflict that wasted an entire generation of European manhood in feeble attempts to gain yards, and wound up birthing communism, fascism, wars, and holocausts for a century to come (our current conflicts in the Middle East are related to a chain of events started when a Serb shot an Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo).

One passage in the book I am reading about World War I struck with the weight of this hypocrisy:


Beginning February 9, they [the Germans] their forces from the Oise salient, and they got away unscotched. That was not the worst of it. The staged withdrawal, called Operation Alberich by the Germans, and taking its title from the destructive dwarves in the Nibelung Saga, was one of the most fiendish affairs in modern history. Before they got out, the Germans systematically vandalized the landscape, pulling down thousands of homes, felling every orchard tree, burning forests, poisoning wells and reservoirs, demolishing bridges and rail lines, and wiping out the roadway.

First of all, does this not sound familiar? I immediately thought of Sherman's March to the Sea (http://www.civilwarhome.com/ShermansMarch.htm). Sherman did pretty much everything the Germans did in their withdrawal, save poisoning wells. However, Sherman is a national hero! Not too mention, Sherman did this to a starving people who had little to no hope of victory, and did it specifically to harm civilians and their morale. The Germans at least were doing this to harm and slow down enemy troops who followed them after their withdrawal, not to starve civilians into submission.

Also, what about our actions in World War II? In that war, we fire bombed downtown Dresden and killed tens of thousand of people in an action that produced zero military results whatsoever, other than to demoralize a city of women, old men, and young boys. Then we nuked two cities and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Then, this fool has the audacity to call a scorched earth policy by the Germans "one of the most fiendish affairs in modern history"?* Give me a break, please, I am not that stupid.

Now we get to this Libyan war. Qaddafi, whether we like it or not, is the legitimate head of the Libyan state. Apparently, him trying to suppress an armed insurrection is the equivalent of a potential holocaust. Furthermore, by the reasoning of the Federal government, how is what Qaddafi doing in Libya any different than what Lincoln did to the South? Furthermore, by any legitimate line of reasoning, how is what Lincoln did not worse than what Qaddafi is doing? Lincoln had 600,000+ military casualities, and there were many more civilian deaths and illegitimate imprisonments than Qaddafi has in his little civil war. However, Lincoln should be hailed as a national hero, worshiped as a god, and has a monument built for him in our national capital. People quote him almost in the manner of "thus sayeth Lincoln, Lord of the Presidents."

Can anyone explain to me how our government gets away with its attacks on petty dictators throughout the world when we have done so much worse? Then, how can we turn around and hail those who have done worse as our national heroes? I mean, this really drives me mad. The double-talk just amazes me. Personally, I most enjoy when some dunderhead gets on TV and invokes Lincoln in their justification for going to war with some brutal dictator, and then invokes Lincoln's taking of the people's rights as a justification to do the same thing in our fight against "tyranny." I mean the whole thing is one big joke, and a really bad, deadly, and, dare I say, evil joke at that.

*However, the Germans under the Nazis actually did conduct the most fiendish affair in modern history, that being the holocaust, which should not be a footnote, but it really doesn't have to do with American hypocrisy, so I made it one.

FrankRep
03-26-2011, 04:55 PM
Check out this book review. The "Hypocrisy" will become more clear.


http://images.swap.com/images/books/7X/046502467X.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/046502467X?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=046502467X)

The Illusion of Victory: America in World War I (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/046502467X?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=046502467X)
- Thomas Fleming



Book Review, Click here:

Philip Dru's war: in a new book, noted historian Thomas Fleming examines the agenda behind U.S. involvement in World War I--and that war's cost to our nation and the West. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?271251-The-Illusion-of-Victory-America-in-World-War-I-(Book-Review))


William Norman Grigg | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Sept 8, 2003

osan
03-26-2011, 05:10 PM
Recent events have come to highlight the hypocrisy that runs deep in American minds....

Good stuff, and agree completely. Question though: what's your point? Seriously, is this something new to you? It is not to me. This characteristic of so many Americans has vexed my thoughts for decades. How anyone can be holding a trout in their hands thinking it is a kangaroo mystifies me. Are they that stupid? That dishonest?

You're in Vancouver? I used to live there - 97th just north of Mill Plain.

nate895
03-26-2011, 05:38 PM
Check out this book review. The "Hypocrisy" will become more clear.


http://images.swap.com/images/books/7X/046502467X.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/046502467X?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=046502467X)

The Illusion of Victory: America in World War I (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/046502467X?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=046502467X)
- Thomas Fleming



Book Review, Click here:

Philip Dru's war: in a new book, noted historian Thomas Fleming examines the agenda behind U.S. involvement in World War I--and that war's cost to our nation and the West. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?271251-The-Illusion-of-Victory-America-in-World-War-I-(Book-Review))


William Norman Grigg | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Sept 8, 2003

I read the review. It looks like a good book. I pretty much knew most of the information about Wilson, but the info on House was very interesting, as well as King George V's comments on Wilson.


Good stuff, and agree completely. Question though: what's your point? Seriously, is this something new to you? It is not to me. This characteristic of so many Americans has vexed my thoughts for decades. How anyone can be holding a trout in their hands thinking it is a kangaroo mystifies me. Are they that stupid? That dishonest?

It is not new to me, it is just more in light of current events, and I think many Americans are starting wake up. At least, I hope they are waking up. If they do not, then we are in for a rough few decades, if not century.

I think the people aren't necessarily stupid, just gullible and willful in their ignorance. They would rather simply believe the line from the MSM rather than figure out what to believe themselves.


You're in Vancouver? I used to live there - 97th just north of Mill Plain.

I live in Felida, right off of 119th.