Who would have thought Obama would be more of a war monger

[vita3]

than Bush/Cheney? He certainly is w/ the esculation in Afghanistan & major bombings in Pakistan & now dropping death on N.Africa

Amazing times of deceit in America.

[Yieu]

I knew he would be more of a warmonger, before he was seen as the frontrunner in the primaries. I think libertarians tend to be able to see how a situation could play out.

I could see that he would be used to placate the anti-war movement so that the wars can escalate, and so that he can start new wars. So this doesn't surprise me one bit.

I believe that non-violence is required for liberty, and if violence must be removed as a preliminary to having liberty, then the wars must end as our top priority.

[Captain Shays]

Who would have thought Obama would be more of a war monger?


ME!!!!

[TonySutton]

He believes government is the cure for everything, why wouldn't he be a war monger. Government force is government force regardless of whether it comes from threat of fine and jail or from the barrel of a gun.

[doodle]

A puppet is only as good as its masters.


Iraq:

More recently, Kerry said on October 9, 2002; "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Bush relied on that resolution in ordering the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Kerry also gave a January 23, 2003 speech to Georgetown University saying "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator; leading an oppressive regime he presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."



Libya:

Kerry nudges Obama into North Africa

Kerry taunted Obama to be proactive like Ronald Reagan and George H W Bush, who committed resources to usher in governments in central Europe that today remain staunchly pro-West and are NATO members. Kerry dictated to Obama: "We must recognize the extraordinary opportunity before us - and the danger of failing to seize it ... The international community cannot simply watch from the sidelines ... Time is running out for the Libyan people. The world needs to respond immediately ... The Security Council should act now."

Israel remains pivotal to Kerry's thinking. He pointedly singled out senators John McCain and Joseph Lieberman, two staunch supporters of Israel, as collaborators in his Middle East project. Kerry, McCain, Lieberman - now, doesn't that make a formidable line-up? Obama had no choice but to see the writing on the wall. (http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-content/uploads/obama-wall.jpg)

LINK (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MC19Ak04.html)

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/wp-content/gallery/congress/john_kerry.jpg

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Kerry-Obama.jpg


Obama is a political slave.


Hopefully this won't be seen as an anti-semitic comment but Kerry is one of the biggest idiots who ever sat in the Senate. He was recently rebuffed when he could not secure releases of blackwater or some agency's diplomat arrested for killing two people and may have needed to boost his self esteem by bombing another arab country that did not pose threat to America.


Helen Thomas: White House in pockets of the Israeli lobbies

Recent reports suggest Obama is probably one of the most pro-Israel ... Helen Thomas: White House in pockets of the Israeli lobbies ...

LINK (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?284036-Helen-Thomas-White-House-in-pockets-of-the-Israeli-lobbies)

[cswake]

Ron Paul! :D
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?271837-quot-You-offer-no-change-quot-Ron-Paul-was-right-about-Obama

[Slutter McGee]

I actually thought he would pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, but I certainly didn't expect him to be non-interventionist. I thought it would be the one good thing to come from the administration.


Slutter McGee

[sailingaway]

I didn't think he'd be more of one, but I figured he'd be as bad. I read the 'read the plan' pdf attachment for Iraq that he had attached to his web site. It was just Bush's plan written differently. I actually toyed with voting for him briefly when it was clear Ron wouldn't win the nomination. But I decided he was deceiving his supporters with emphasis and rhetoric even if not pure 'lies', and became pretty contemptuous. Still, I had a lingering hope....for the Patriot Act, too.....I sure never saw 'indefinite, preventative detention' coming.....

[Philhelm]

I didn't think he'd be more of one, but I figured he'd be as bad. I read the 'read the plan' pdf attachment for Iraq that he had attached to his web site. It was just Bush's plan written differently. I actually toyed with voting for him briefly when it was clear Ron wouldn't win the nomination. But I decided he was deceiving his supporters with emphasis and rhetoric even if not pure 'lies', and became pretty contemptuous. Still, I had a lingering hope....for the Patriot Act, too.....I sure never saw 'indefinite, preventative detention' coming.....

Don't forget assassination of U.S. citizens.

[GunnyFreedom]

/me raises his hand

[sailingaway]

Don't forget assassination of U.S. citizens.

*dark laughter*

Yeah, that too.

[pcosmar]

Who would have thought Obama would be more of a war monger

Who seriously thought he would be any different?

Seriously.
:(

[itshappening]

Google "Gary North Hip pocket" for a fascinating insight on Obama

[tsai3904]

Ron Paul - January 25, 2009


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdzJr-VgPqk

[acptulsa]

Bigger than Dubya? Oh, come on. He's only starting them one at a time.

Of course, he isn't ending any of them, so now he's chiefly commandeering three of them. That's a new record. But he's only starting them one at a time.

[Romulus]

There are those who will argue that Libya is a humanitarian war.. talk about perverted logic, they are masters of it, and they are the ones who voted for him. Towing the party line.

[sailingaway]

Killing people because you feel badly for some of them is perfectly understandable.....:confused:

[robert68]

He’s not more of a warmonger than Bush/Cheney. But unpopular politicians have been starting wars since around at least the first recorded war.

[surf]

i "hoped" he'd be a bit more timid and respectful with regards to war :)

[acptulsa]

i "hoped" he'd be a bit more timid and respectful with regards to war :)

Would have been a nice "change".

[raiha]

You Americans sure know how to pick 'em. :p

[South Park Fan]

I recall predicting that Obama would continue all of Bush's wars and start his own war before his first term expired. I thought it would be against Iran rather than Libya though.

[doodle]

I recall predicting that Obama would continue all of Bush's wars and start his own war before his first term expired. I thought it would be against Iran rather than Libya though.

It could still happen, that used to be the rationale for keeping troops on both sides of Iran - Iraq & Afghanistan.

Teresa Heinz Kerry: Bush Too Easy on Iran
Dec 22, 2005 ... Teresa Heinz Kerry says she is "outraged" that President Bush didn't react more forcefully to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent ...
archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/22/183108.shtml

[Sola_Fide]

Me.

[heavenlyboy34]

You Americans sure know how to pick 'em. :p

Actually, TPTB pick 'em, but many of us like to pretend we pick 'em. American politics for ya. ;)

[jmdrake]

When Obama was campaigning he refused to promise to pull out of Iraq before 2013. He said he'd send more troops into Afghanistan. He talked about needing to "take action" in Pakistan. I knew at least as early as Jan 17, 2008 that Obama was a warmonger and I told whoever would listen.

See: http://ronpaulvols.blogspot.com/2008/01/stumping-for-ron-paul-at-gas-station.html

[acptulsa]

Can't think of a single regular poster here who wouldn't admit of the possibility after he named Biden his running mate.

[cindy25]

McCain would have been worse; I don't think Obama wanted to be in Libya, but Sarkozy and BB forced it.

[kah13176]

I honestly did. I didn't "wake up" until last year, and until then, I didn't keep track of politics quite as much as I do now.

[bunklocoempire]

I knew it as well, as he was crowned post 10-12-2007.

He ain't the original formula -and he never was about the original formula, there are few that are.



Bunkloco

[McBell]

Presidents tend to get progressively worse in most ways, this one especially.

[erowe1]

than Bush/Cheney? He certainly is w/ the esculation in Afghanistan & major bombings in Pakistan & now dropping death on N.Africa

Amazing times of deceit in America.

The better question is, why did anyone ever think he would be less of a war monger?

[Matt Collins]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Cvs1wkOrY&feature=player_embedded



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLY19PnY2m8&feature=player_embedded#at=44



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw5MgwXkVhs&feature=player_embedded

[Andrew-Austin]

I know, the 2008 election result was a pretty good case against the political process, he has surpassed my most pessimistic expectations. "We the people" don't have any say at all and are just slaves. But watch the slaves get all riled up about how change is finally a comin' in 2012 with the next couple establishment candidates.

[acptulsa]

If you thought we were doing anything but telling you so back in '08, vita3, you had quite a case of selective hearing going on.

[awake]

Little by little each President has stretched the scope of his power. Each Caesar did the same. All that is required for it to continue is to stand by and do nothing. In fact the people who inflate the power of this office simply ask that you not resist.

[vita3]

"If you thought we were doing anything but telling you so back in '08, vita3, you had quite a case of selective hearing going on."

I wasn't on here in 2008. But when I volunteered for RP in the NH primary, many RP supporters had decent things to say about Obama.

But it's almost April 2011 & we know who Obama is in regards to perpetual war & I'd like to be involved with a group that is going to stop it.

[dean.engelhardt]

When he said that he'd increase the war in Afgahistan and decrease it in Iraq, I took his word for it. He promised to maintain the Bush foreign policy as a candidiate, the "Bush Doctrine". What i didn't expect was that he'd adopt the "Bush Doctrine" as an "American Value" to start a war without congressional input. The level he has elevated the Bush foreign policy is shocking to me and the Democrat that I know.

[Soca Taliban]

Senator Durbin should try out for dancing with the stars, because all he did was dance around Rand's questions. He's still hasn't answered any of them.

[doodle]

The better question is, why did anyone ever think he would be less of a war monger?

Not too long ago, this was talk of the town for many:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ2GrjKGrY0