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DaronWestbrooke
10-24-2007, 12:44 PM
It seems there is a attempt to turn the rEVOLution into some sort of business as usual, corporate run campaign now that the campaign has legs.

What do you want?

Grandson of Liberty
10-24-2007, 12:51 PM
The official campaign should be run like an official campaign, and we grassrooters should keep getting the word out amongst our communities.

btw, your new avatar is much easier on the eyes. :)

Brinck Slattery
10-24-2007, 12:52 PM
you can do both simultaneously, just don't do anything violent that would reflect badly on Ron Paul.

DeadheadForPaul
10-24-2007, 12:53 PM
We need to stay revolutionary while also playing by the rules. There's a middle ground here

We can have a hybrid grassroots/traditional campaign.

DaronWestbrooke
10-24-2007, 12:54 PM
The official campaign should be run like an official campaign, and we grassrooters should keep getting the word out amongst our communities.
I can't disagree, what I am seeing is people trying to control the grassroots and make us all march in lockstep like good little boys and girls. The next thing we know they will force us in the roots to wear tan slacks and green polo shirts and say 'swell' a lot.



btw, your new avatar is much easier on the eyes. :)

Thanks, It took a while to find a picture I could scan and shrink small enough and still be recognizible.

Original_Intent
10-24-2007, 01:02 PM
Again, polls like this help how?

I have been with the campaign since May, I love the r"LOVE"ution.

Even back then, there were some of the older supporters that would come help make sign but they were not enthused with the r"LOVE"ution concept.

I think we need to continue with it, but we also need to start projecting a little more proffessionalism if we are going to attract mainstream voters.

I loathe Lenin and Socialism, and hate to quote him, but this fits.


"Socialism will be built largely by non-socialist hands."

The Ron Paul Revolution is the same way. We need to attract a decent percentage of the "non-revolutionaries" in order to win. period.

I have read that during the revolutionary war, only three percent of the population were actively revolutionary. I think that probably fits our nation today.

Three percent can win a war, but they can't win an election. We need to continue to convert who we can to the r"LOVE"ution, but we need to also reach out, put on a "proffessional campaign" face in order to attract the interest of mainstream voters.

That's my 2 cents.

Edward
10-24-2007, 01:02 PM
The campaign needs to attract larger number of women voters and those with higher amounts of disposable income. Marketing efforts geared towards adolescent boys will not achieve that.

centure7
10-24-2007, 01:28 PM
I can't disagree, what I am seeing is people trying to control the grassroots and make us all march in lockstep like good little boys and girls. The next thing we know they will force us in the roots to wear tan slacks and green polo shirts and say 'swell' a lot.

Thanks, It took a while to find a picture I could scan and shrink small enough and still be recognizible.

I'm certainly one of the people you refer to when you say "March in lockstep". But the fact is I really just want to see about day of each quarter where meetup groups across the country all have one event at the same time, therefore getting us huge media attention and ending the argument that we are a tiny minority. There are over 55,000 meetup members now, so we could end that argument tomorrow if we could organize it that fast.

centure7
10-24-2007, 01:33 PM
The campaign needs to attract larger number of women voters and those with higher amounts of disposable income. Marketing efforts geared towards adolescent boys will not achieve that.

Now that you mention it, I hardly see any females on the meetup sites. Why is that?

JoshLowry
10-24-2007, 01:34 PM
It seems there is a attempt to turn the rEVOLution into some sort of business as usual, corporate run campaign now that the campaign has legs.

What do you want?

I have seen nothing from the campaign that indicates this. :confused:

DaronWestbrooke
10-24-2007, 01:38 PM
I have seen nothing from the campaign that indicates this. :confused:

Not from the campaign, but here and in the meetups. There has been, what seems to be a movement to push down or out anthing that seems 'radical' from burying stories about paint the town ron events, to trying to take over and kill the November 5th fundraiser.

Brutus
10-24-2007, 01:44 PM
I voted "other" because I think this is a false choice.

I think the grass roots nature of the campaign is its strength, but that doesn't mean that just because something is grass roots that it is a great idea. I could make a ridiculous analogy at this point, which we'd all argue about the particulars of, so I won't.

Campaigning is about salesmanship. We are selling ideas -- we have the advantage that they are GOOD ideas. We have the disadvantage that people are propagandized from birth to reject our ideas. We have the additional disadvantage that freedom is a bit scary, while the alternative seems more secure for the short term.

For the people who refuse to think about something longer than 15 seconds, all you can do is sell. If you find someone who is willing to think, then educate. The educated ones will be the activists who replace us. However, we still need the people who will "buy" to be on our side, so don't run them off.

Bradley in DC
10-24-2007, 01:47 PM
No brainer:

Corporate campaign to get the Republican nomination.
Then proceed with the rEVOLution once we have that under our belt.

McDermit
10-24-2007, 01:56 PM
Not from the campaign, but here and in the meetups. There has been, what seems to be a movement to push down or out anthing that seems 'radical' from burying stories about paint the town ron events, to trying to take over and kill the November 5th fundraiser.

I think a lot of people just lack common sense. And those WITH common sense try to nudge things along in the right direction.

ie: November 5th concept, great! Mass donation day, great! No harm there. But when you throw in violent imagery and shove it down people's throats, it's not so great. Very very few people wanted to "kill" the fundraiser - they just didn't want the V references.

I don't understand why people don't get that some "radical" things just shouldn't be done. That's not to say we should all wear khakis and polos and die our hair blonde, but we need to take a common sense approach to things. Unless targeting a very specific group, we need to consider the broader appeal of the campaign. We aren't just dealing with college kids, we're trying to appeal to grandmas and grandpas, teachers, value voters, party line people, churchgoers, whoever else. We have to appeal to the people who protest violent video games. The people who think anyone who wears black, baggy clothes and dies their hair is a devil worshipper. We can't limit ourselves, and like it or not, by projecting violent imagery, you will alienate people.

Brinck Slattery
10-24-2007, 02:07 PM
I think a lot of people just lack common sense. And those WITH common sense try to nudge things along in the right direction.

ie: November 5th concept, great! Mass donation day, great! No harm there. But when you throw in violent imagery and shove it down people's throats, it's not so great. Very very few people wanted to "kill" the fundraiser - they just didn't want the V references.

I don't understand why people don't get that some "radical" things just shouldn't be done. That's not to say we should all wear khakis and polos and die our hair blonde, but we need to take a common sense approach to things. Unless targeting a very specific group, we need to consider the broader appeal of the campaign. We aren't just dealing with college kids, we're trying to appeal to grandmas and grandpas, teachers, value voters, party line people, churchgoers, whoever else. We have to appeal to the people who protest violent video games. The people who think anyone who wears black, baggy clothes and dies their hair is a devil worshipper. We can't limit ourselves, and like it or not, by projecting violent imagery, you will alienate people.

Precisely. It's a Republican primary we're trying to win right now, and the voter change registration deadlines are up or almost up in most states. The only way to win (in closed primary states, anyways) is through the Republican party. In the general election, I fully support going nuts.

Exponent
10-24-2007, 02:11 PM
both

paulitics
10-24-2007, 02:12 PM
both.

thechitowncubs
10-24-2007, 02:13 PM
Hybrid

LibertyEagle
10-24-2007, 02:13 PM
The campaign needs to attract larger number of women voters and those with higher amounts of disposable income. Marketing efforts geared towards adolescent boys will not achieve that.

:)

LibertyEagle
10-24-2007, 02:14 PM
No brainer:

Corporate campaign to get the Republican nomination.
Then proceed with the rEVOLution once we have that under our belt.

I agree for the most part, although I think we can veer off from corporate a bit. I do not think it is going to win us Republican voters by acting like some angry hooligans who want to start a bloody revolution, however. :)

Cindy
10-24-2007, 02:34 PM
The rEVOLution signs have their purpose and place.

I would like to see new banners coming into the scene that say

Ron Paul for President '08
Hope for America
www.ronpaul2008.com

As I mentioned in another post, where polls say more then half of Americans can not even name one Republican candidate, we need to start linking his name with the word President.

Many people think the RP rEVOLution is some skater movement to change skateboarding laws.

If anyone is about to make new banners, please consider this. :)

Lord Xar
10-24-2007, 02:37 PM
I think meetups now need to start moving door to door.... Do the signwaving AND the walks/flyers etc.... but I think a concerted effort should be made to now actually reach voters via door to door.

winston_blade
10-24-2007, 02:45 PM
I think we are past the revolution sign stage and should go with official things if possible. If you don't have money to get corporate signs, then do what you can with what you have, but to purposefully use the Revolution signs at this point in the campaign is a mistake. It makes him look unprofessional, which is fine if Ron Paul was running for student council, but he is running for president.

Cali4RonPaul
10-24-2007, 02:46 PM
The fact that the poll is made biased by using the word corporate which has negative connotations with our support group, you are doing the same thing that is being done to us by MSM pollsters.

"Traditional" Campaign is the proper term, and yes we should be running a traditional campaign for the nomination, our current base can only go so far we need to bridge the gaps between us and long standing voters. Once we have the nomination you guys can do whatever you want with the Revolution etc. etc.

kherty
10-24-2007, 03:01 PM
The campaign needs to attract larger number of women voters and those with higher amounts of disposable income. Marketing efforts geared towards adolescent boys will not achieve that.

Hey, that's me! ;)

Bradley in DC
10-24-2007, 03:02 PM
I agree for the most part, although I think we can veer off from corporate a bit. I do not think it is going to win us Republican voters by acting like some angry hooligans who want to start a bloody revolution, however. :)

Oh, I love the rEVOLution signs and have made some pitifull attempts at them myself as the Maryland and Belly of the Beast Meetups can attest.

What I mean by corporate is focusing on results first:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=28349

We don't learn how to get delegates, the rest has no point.

kherty
10-24-2007, 03:05 PM
I think we are past the revolution sign stage and should go with official things if possible.

I agree here....the R3VOLution signs have a place in the campaign, where younger demographics are being targeted. College campuses, etc.

However, the more professional "New Hope" campaign signs should be used elsewhere. On sides of roads, banners on bridges, etc. We need to show that this is a professional campaign, and not a bunch of groupies working out of a basement somewhere with our tin hats on.

Just my .02...

Eric21ND
10-24-2007, 03:06 PM
I think meetups now need to start moving door to door.... Do the signwaving AND the walks/flyers etc.... but I think a concerted effort should be made to now actually reach voters via door to door.
I agree we need to do whatever we can within our own communities. We need to pledge to make every city, town, village we live in and make them Ron Paul towns. We need to put Ron Paul information in the hands of people and we need to give them DVDs.

Cindy
10-24-2007, 03:08 PM
I voted for corporate because I knew he meant traditional/proffesional.

I think we tapped out finding the disgruntled Americans with the grass rootsie Revolution push.

if we are going to attract middle America and wealthier voters to Pauls campaign, he has to look like what they are familiar with in presidential Campaign materials, if he is to be taken seriously by traditionalists.

Like someone said, he isn;t running for the 6th grade student council president.

I'd rather see a handmade sign up somehwere then no sign if that's the best that can be done.

We are organized enough through meetups to pull resources and get proffesionally made signs and banners.

Perhaps an alternative to the Revolution ones would be a banner that says.


This Thompson Jefferson Republican is NO NEOCON.
RON PAUL for President 2008
www.ronpaul2008.com

kherty
10-24-2007, 03:14 PM
Cindy, I agree with you.

The only thing I would watch is using slang terminology in any campaign materials. I personally didn't know what a "neocon" was until i started doing some research.

I bet many people have no idea what it means! :D

Cindy
10-24-2007, 03:20 PM
Cindy, I agree with you.

The only thing I would watch is using slang terminology in any campaign materials. I personally didn't know what a "neocon" was until i started doing some research.

I bet many people have no idea what it means! :D

I gave that as an alternative to those who think we still have more of the disgruntled Americans to grab the attention of. Disgruntled Americans following politics know what a neocon is.

It may serve as a curiousity word for people to go look it up and Paul.

It also helps to grab the attention of those who are immediately turned off by Paul once they find out he is a Republican.

Just an idea.

Ron Paul for President 2008
www.rompaul2008.com

I think is more needed now then the Revolution banners.