Kucinich: Obama Should Be Impeached

[RonPaulFanInGA]

http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/03/kucinich-obama-should-be-impeached.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html

Anyone think Ron Paul could score some political points in the 2012 GOP presidential primary by being the first Representative to file articles of impeachment against Barack Obama, and being more outspoken on this Libya issue?

[cswake]

No, a Democrat needs to take the lead otherwise Paul will appear partisan and get the usual labels. (Same goes for all the other Republicans)

[Philhelm]

http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/03/kucinich-obama-should-be-impeached.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html

Anyone think Ron Paul could score some political points in the 2012 GOP presidential primary by being the first Representative to file articles of impeachment against Barack Obama, and being more outspoken on this Libya issue?

Couldn't that backfire though? I'm sure there would be people asking why he didn't call for the impeachment of Bush, and then twist Ron Paul's motives to make it look like its a partisan issue.

[Philhelm]

No, a Democrat needs to take the lead otherwise Paul will appear partisan and get the usual labels. (Same goes for all the other Republicans)

Agreed.

[Deinonychus]

No, a Democrat needs to take the lead otherwise Paul will appear partisan and get the usual labels. (Same goes for all the other Republicans)

Yep.

[erowe1]

No, a Democrat needs to take the lead otherwise Paul will appear partisan and get the usual labels. (Same goes for all the other Republicans)

Looking partisan could be a good thing for him right now.

[TheDriver]

Obama can be impeached in Nov 2012.

[Aratus]

we have until december of 2012 to go thru stuff like
what we did with richard cheney and george w. bush?

[cswake]

Looking partisan could be a good thing for him right now.

I have faith that Kucinich will do the right thing and approach Paul to try to get bi-partisan impeachment proceedings going. If even Kucinich doesn't dare challenge Obama, then it's a lost cause...

It would be interesting to see if it did happen, because the House Republicans do have a genuine reason for impeachment. I'm curious how the war hawks would vote given the opportunity.

[erowe1]

I have faith that Kucinich will do the right thing and approach Paul to try to get bi-partisan impeachment proceedings going. If even Kucinich doesn't dare challenge Obama, then it's a lost cause...

You say that as if you think Kucinich isn't a partisan hack.

[Sola_Fide]

Looking partisan could be a good thing for him right now.

Exactly my thoughts as well.

[TheDriver]

You say that as if you think Kucinich isn't a partisan hack.

You say that like he is always a partisan hack, when last week (along with numerous other times) shows he isn't (just that).

[erowe1]

You say that like he is always a partisan hack, when last week (along with numerous other times) shows he isn't (just that).

He might symbolically go against his party when he knows nothing will come of it, but he makes sure they know they can count on him any time it will make a difference. The only way he would ever risk introducing articles of impeachment against Obama would be if he were certain it would get very little support. If he thought many Republicans would join in, he wouldn't do it.

[AGRP]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGC/StaticFiles/Images/Show/36xx/365x/3652_air-force-one-5_05320299.JPG

[HOLLYWOOD]

Good Luck with that Dennis Kucinich, so-called, your party wouldn't even impeach Bush Cheney with huge majorities.

Dennis your back is up against the wall with the possibility of your Congressional District being eliminated. Theatrics won't help at this point and your so-call leader in Brazil, is playing soccer with children while ordering bombings and killings... what other leaders in history does that parody?

So can we count on having the $165,000/yr house clerks reading Impeachment papers again? Kabuki Theater PART DEUX

[nobody's_hero]

I used to think Kucinich could lead the anti-war movement from the left, but I think Nader is my favorite anti-war liberal. As far as leading the movement from the left concerning the Democratic party specifically, Kucinich is still our best bet.

But the photo of Air Force One is worth a thousand words. :(

[Legend1104]

Glad to see Kucinich staying consistant.

[tpreitzel]

And some of them muse over Obama's failure to notify them in advance .... LOL Well, maybe the US Congress should seriously consider revoking the unconstitutional War Powers resolution of 1973. The crimes of our foolishly complicit US Congress in granting a nearly blank check to the POTUS to wage unconditional war under foreign flags is only matched by the reckless actions of our insane POTUS (plural, not just Obama).... tragic and nearly the whole damn US Congress, POTUS, and SCOTUS should be given the boot.

[Jack Bauer]

No, a Democrat needs to take the lead otherwise Paul will appear partisan and get the usual labels. (Same goes for all the other Republicans)

That is exactly what we should WANT Ron Paul to appear like if we want to have any chance to win the primary.

[Matt Collins]

I spoke with Kucinich and his wife when they randomly appeared at Ron and Rand's reception in DC back in January. I told her that many of us would love to see an anti-war and anti-Fed liberal primary Obama this time around. She told me that it wasn't going to happen :(



She has an awesome accent btw ;):D:cool::collins:


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x93/sonicspikesalbum/Rand%20Paul%20Swearing%20In/167508_1748839516533_1105170054_3729518_2682753_n. jpg

:collins::collins:

[Aratus]

remember mitch mcconnell's newbie puddleducks in a row trekking places most happily?
jim bunning's guy, representative geoff davis can decry this widening of the war along with
dennis kucinich, however if john mccain + mitch mcconnell ain't upset, this goes no further...

[cswake]

TPM on Dennis Kucinich crazy talk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x634538

Kucinich once again sides with the teabaggers. This time he wants Obama impeached!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=634434&mesg_id=634434

[moostraks]

TPM on Dennis Kucinich crazy talk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x634538

Kucinich once again sides with the teabaggers. This time he wants Obama impeached!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=634434&mesg_id=634434

Some of them get it:
comment from an above site:
"OK, riddle me this.

Is our president essentially a dictator with imperial unilateral power to
take this country into war at will or whim?

Or are we a country with a constitution and a balance of powers responsible
to the public?" Person with 1000+ posts...

[cswake]

Unfortunately the response to that was another 1000+ poster who said: "Clinton conducted no fly zones and nobody bitched about congressional approval....this has everything to do with hatred for Obama and not the constitution....this is quite obvious....anyway, a president never needs approval before starting military actions....this is a "FOX News" made up type outrage."

Even worse is that 60% on that board are in support:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=633240&mesg_id=633240

IMHO, not a good sign.

[scottditzen]

She has an awesome accent btw ;):D:cool::collins:


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x93/sonicspikesalbum/Rand%20Paul%20Swearing%20In/167508_1748839516533_1105170054_3729518_2682753_n. jpg

:collins::collins:


My friend, a journalist, was invited onto an NPR panel. After he surprised the panel of fellow Democrats by calling our Congressional Rep "a clown" the hot and sultry Mrs. Kucinich called the station in an uproar. She is loyal.

If she sees my friend around town, I'm sure she is more than capable of beating him to a pulp.

Anyhow, there are lots of personal stories of Dennis helping out the "little guy" here in Cleveland. I respect him for that, even though I'm not sure he's helped lure even one job to Northeast Ohio.

[tekkierich]

Unfortunately the response to that was another 1000+ poster who said: "Clinton conducted no fly zones and nobody bitched about congressional approval....this has everything to do with hatred for Obama and not the constitution....this is quite obvious....anyway, a president never needs approval before starting military actions....this is a "FOX News" made up type outrage."

Even worse is that 60% on that board are in support:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=633240&mesg_id=633240

IMHO, not a good sign.


Personally, I didn't bitch about it because I was 14. This is beyond ridiculous. Yeah Red team, Blue team.

[moostraks]

Unfortunately the response to that was another 1000+ poster who said: "Clinton conducted no fly zones and nobody bitched about congressional approval....this has everything to do with hatred for Obama and not the constitution....this is quite obvious....anyway, a president never needs approval before starting military actions....this is a "FOX News" made up type outrage."

Even worse is that 60% on that board are in support:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=633240&mesg_id=633240

IMHO, not a good sign.

You shouldn't expect that they would be. Much like the far right websites will likewise not be a place one would go to and find a large support. However it isn't entirely hopeless. The reality is tptb have done a substantial amount of brainwashing and it will take extreme effort to overcome. I think it is better than it was a couple years back when no one there would have responded against Obama. It means we are either infiltrating or they are coming awake to their party corruption. I don't think we could have found 40% support publicly against Bush on a Republican website at this same point regarding his imperial conquests.

[vita3]

Here's some great commentary by an Irishmen, who understands that bombing Libya is more about oil & protecting BP's interests than anything else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk2u-pvOpcc&feature=player_embedded

[moostraks]

BTW didn't/doesn't Obama have paid trolls to spread crap like "this has everything to do with hatred for Obama and not the constitution....this is quite obvious."???

[ds21089]

BTW didn't/doesn't Obama have paid trolls to spread crap like "this has everything to do with hatred for Obama and not the constitution....this is quite obvious."???

No, they have software for that now.

[erowe1]

No, they have software for that now.

http://www.examiner.com/social-media-in-national/us-gov-software-creates-fake-people-on-social-networks-to-promote-propoganda

[Teaser Rate]

Kucinich is a certified loon who believes in UFOs and sued a cafeteria because he bit into a bad olive. Not to mention that he’s an economically illiterate socialist who betrayed his own principles to get Obamacare passed.

Congress has less of a chance of impeaching Obama than it does to redefine the value of pi. At best this issue is going to spring forward another group of loons, like the birthers and truthers who will never be taken seriously by anyone.

Kucinich is an absolute joke, and Ron should stay away from him IMO.

[moostraks]

http://www.examiner.com/social-media-in-national/us-gov-software-creates-fake-people-on-social-networks-to-promote-propoganda

I am so behind the times.:p

[awake]

Another Clinton presidency moment replayed.

[surf]

CHICAGO (WLS) - Ohio Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich is suggesting President Barack Obama face impeachment for approving military action against Libya.

During an interview Monday, Kucinich said Obama failed to receive congressional authorization before approving air strikes against Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

"It's not even disputable, this isn't even a close question. Such an action -- that involves putting America's service men and women into harm's way, whether they're in the Air Force or the Navy -- is a grave decision that cannot be made by the president alone," Kucinich told The Raw Story.

Kucinich said that although Obama's decision "would appear on its face to be an impeachable offense," the question of whether a trial should be held is "a whole separate question."

Kucinich has previously asked for the impeachment of both President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney over Iraq.


i admire Dennis Kucinich. we need more anti-war representatives, and Kucinich is one of the boldest and bravest. it's times like this that i miss Alan Grayson as well. I hope he can find an ultimate courage to pursue impeachment.

we need to respect our allies at times - even when they are regarded as extremely liberal. anti-war and pro-pot (along with the wife's pierced-tongue) cause me to regard Mr. Kucinich as an important friend of the liberty movement.

[moostraks]

Kucinich is a certified loon who believes in UFOs and sued a cafeteria because he bit into a bad olive. Not to mention that he’s an economically illiterate socialist who betrayed his own principles to get Obamacare passed.

Congress has less of a chance of impeaching Obama than it does to redefine the value of pi. At best this issue is going to spring forward another group of loons, like the birthers and truthers who will never be taken seriously by anyone.

Kucinich is an absolute joke, and Ron should stay away from him IMO.

Wow, bitter much? UFO is unidentified flying object not a saucer with little green men. Some of the stuff he does is ridiculous but from your post we should just give up and accept the dictator behavior from our public servants. Thanks for the tip that anyone who doesn't go with the flow is a loon. I make sure to lick the boots of the men who come to cart my children off to die in their unauthorized wars, NOT!!!

[Teaser Rate]

Wow, bitter much? UFO is unidentified flying object not a saucer with little green men. Some of the stuff he does is ridiculous but from your post we should just give up and accept the dictator behavior from our public servants. Thanks for the tip that anyone who doesn't go with the flow is a loon. I make sure to lick the boots of the men who come to cart my children off to die in their unauthorized wars, NOT!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSRWRbuMqyc

The way he described his experience, I doubt he thought he was looking at a flare or helicopter. He clearly lacks the reasoning skills to differentiate fiction from reality. (then again, that's probably why he's socialist)

I'm not saying that we should give up, what I am saying is that we shouldn't waste our time trying to do things which are politically impossible. If our strategy involves following Dennis Kucinich's plans, we might as well do nothing.

[acptulsa]

I'm not saying that we should give up, what I am saying is that we shouldn't waste our time trying to do things which are politically impossible. If our strategy involves following Dennis Kucinich's plans, we might as well do nothing.

But we can take note of how divided the liberals are right now (and regardless of what anyone thinks of ol' Dennis, this is certainly a sign of it). And we can celebrate--and take advantage.

[AZKing]

http://www.presidentsuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kucinich-vote11.jpg

[Teaser Rate]

But we can take note of how divided the liberals are right now (and regardless of what anyone thinks of ol' Dennis, this is certainly a sign of it). And we can celebrate--and take advantage.

How exactly would we "take advantage" of the situation ?

[moostraks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSRWRbuMqyc

The way he described his experience, I doubt he thought he was looking at a flare or helicopter. He clearly lacks the reasoning skills to differentiate fiction from reality. (then again, that's probably why he's socialist)

I'm not saying that we should give up, what I am saying is that we shouldn't waste our time trying to do things which are politically impossible. If our strategy involves following Dennis Kucinich's plans, we might as well do nothing.

Some people have emotional responses when they see things that exceeds their realm of normal experiences. From the description, my guess would be possible military aircraft of an unusual nature. I don't know if you remember that same prick doing out of context ridicule to Dr.Paul but I would hardly base my decision of a person's stability upon a clip from those debates.

As for your attitude I was responding to, it is more of a wholesale reiteration of msm talking points: Kucinich=loon, birthers, truthers=loon, stopping unconstitutional wars=loon. Sort of a broken record. Seems like there really isn't much we should contest if we allow this issue to slide without fear of recrimination. At some point people have to draw their line in the sand. Calling people loons is the governments way of keeping people in line with the status quo. These may not be your personal issues to fight but if you were really against the current agenda of control you wouldn't be so disparaging to those fighting the battle against a common enemy. Much less would you embrace the governments verbiage and methods.

[farrar]

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGC/StaticFiles/Images/Show/36xx/365x/3652_air-force-one-5_05320299.JPG

So silent, yet so loud... so... so suave... +rep

lol

[jmdrake]

If history repeats itself, the GOP will find some stupid reason to introduce articles of impeachment against Obama, and Ron Paul will step in and point out the real reasons.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZtPzOukjZA

[cswake]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/21/exclusive-kucinich-calls-obamas-libya-attack-an-impeachable-offense/


"And I'm raising the question as to whether or not it's an impeachable offense. It would appear on its face to be an impeachable offense," Kucinich said. "Now, it doesn't necessarily follow that simply because a president has committed an impeachable offense, that the process should start to impeach and remove him. That's a whole separate question. But we have to clearly understand what this Constitution is about."

The anti-war Democrat said Obama must know he violated the Constitution, referring to this quote from candidate Obama in 2007: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

[Aratus]

representative dennis kucinich is clearly walking a fine line... as a Democrat,
he questions the two hats his C-I-C who is also his party leader often wears.

[anaconda]

Dennis apparently did not say "Obama should be impeached." He apparently queried out loud in a conference call "why Obama's action would not be impeachable?" Sounds like he was forwarding the legal/intellectual question as a preliminary.