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Anti Federalist
03-19-2011, 07:08 PM
The Kyshtym disaster was a radiation contamination incident that occurred on 29 September 1957 at Mayak, a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant in Russia (then a part of the Soviet Union). It measured as a Level 6 disaster on the International Nuclear Event Scale, making it the second most serious nuclear accident ever recorded (after the Chernobyl disaster). The event occurred in the town of Ozyorsk, a closed city built around the Mayak plant. Since Ozyorsk/Mayak (also known as Chelyabinsk-40 and Chelyabinsk-65) was not marked on maps, the disaster was named after Kyshtym, the nearest known town.

According to Gyorgy,[11] who invoked the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to the relevant Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) files, the CIA knew of the 1957 Mayak accident all along, but kept it secret to prevent adverse consequences for the fledgling American nuclear industry. Only in 1990 did the Soviet government declassify documents pertaining to the disaster

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_Disaster

steve005
03-19-2011, 07:31 PM
not suprised

FrankRep
03-19-2011, 07:36 PM
* Before TMI, or Chernobyl, or Fukushima, there was Kyshtym, and CIA covered it up.

The CIA was secretly spying on the Soviet Union. Why would the CIA spill the beans?



* Only in 1992 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayak#Kyshtym_Disaster), shortly after the fall of the USSR, did the Russians officially acknowledge the accident.

Anti Federalist
03-19-2011, 07:43 PM
The CIA was secretly spying on the Soviet Union. Why would the CIA spill the beans?



* Only in 1992 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayak#Kyshtym_Disaster), shortly after the fall of the USSR, did the Russians officially acknowledge the accident.

but kept it secret to prevent adverse consequences for the fledgling American nuclear industry.

FrankRep
03-19-2011, 07:48 PM
New Scientist
Dec 1, 1977

CIA Confirms Medvedev's Disaster Claim
http://books.google.com/books?id=AxSotc63Fw8C&pg=PA547&lpg=PA547&dq=CIA+Papers+Released+to+Nader+Tell+of+2+Soviet+N uclear+Accidents&source=bl&ots=J9XdqGtTlT&sig=-lsLz8SegzbDqjfP9A9Y0MmSbag&hl=en&ei=hGGFTcqDG8K3tweq8LDYBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false


Nuclear Disaster in the Urals (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393012190/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0393012190)
- Zhores Medvedev, 1979

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hRxA-6HYL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393012190/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0393012190)

FrankRep
03-19-2011, 07:54 PM
but kept it secret to prevent adverse consequences for the fledgling American nuclear industry.

Is that Ralph Nader / Anna Gyorgy's opinion? I highly doubt the CIA would give a reason why something is classified.

I'd like to see the actual documentation.

BamaAla
03-19-2011, 08:04 PM
Crazy. In college, I dated a girl from Yekaterinburg which is near there. I knew she was oddly tall...

FrankRep
03-19-2011, 08:07 PM
OPINION


New York Times
Nov. 26, 1977


C.I.A. Papers, Released to Nader, Tell of 2 Soviet Nuclear Accidents (http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30A13FF3D5A167493C4AB178AD95F43 8785F9)


Mr. Nader, in an interview, questioned the agency's motives in not making the documents public at an earlier date. "Absent any other reason for withholding information from the public," he said, "one possible motivation could have been the motivation could have been the reluctance of the CIA to highlight a nuclear accident in the USSR that could cause concern among people living rear nuclear facilities in the United States."

Anti Federalist
03-19-2011, 11:29 PM
OPINION

So it is.

I really must stop being so cynical and realize that CIA and all the other brave folks in the intelligence community always have the American people's best interests at heart.

:rolleyes:

One Last Battle!
03-20-2011, 06:40 AM
So it is.

I really must stop being so cynical and realize that CIA and all the other brave folks in the intelligence community always have the American people's best interests at heart.

:rolleyes:

That isn't the issue; the issue is that the CIA would completely blow the cover of its' spies if it went out and told the world of failing Russian reactors in closed cities. It would also probably tick off the Russians at a time when war seemed to be right around the corner.

Anti Federalist
03-20-2011, 01:21 PM
That isn't the issue; the issue is that the CIA would completely blow the cover of its' spies if it went out and told the world of failing Russian reactors in closed cities. It would also probably tick off the Russians at a time when war seemed to be right around the corner.

Meh.

Russians, Soviets, terrorists, jihadists, extremists, militias...I grow weary of the system's games, and their constant need for secrecy and spying and snooping on the enemy du'jour.

War? Huh, We're at war now on three fronts. Maybe it's not such a good thing that the Soviets went broke.

You and Frank can give them a pass, but I'm sure not going to.

If that plume of radioactivity happened to come from Soviet sub, and was blowing across the coast of America, think the CIA would have told anyone?

Or would thousands, perhaps millions, of people been irradiated with no understanding why, or how to treat or protect yourself from it?

osan
08-13-2013, 05:30 PM
If that plume of radioactivity happened to come from Soviet sub, and was blowing across the coast of America, think the CIA would have told anyone?

Or would thousands, perhaps millions, of people been irradiated with no understanding why, or how to treat or protect yourself from it?

As I recall, somebody - DoD or CIA or one of those alphabet soup mobs - salted the atmosphere to monitor where the fallout would land. As I recall this was released in the southwest - probably NV or thereabouts - and they detected the material in Vermont and/or NH. That's "OUR" people doing this to us - not some commie scumbag from China.

These people are not American in any conventional sense, if at all. They are alien - they view us as alien to them - what else would explain how they could do such horrid things to their own? Recall the CIA experimentation with LSD and perhaps even BZ on unwitting Americans. The father of one of my friends from high school was involved in this with the US Army.

heavenlyboy34
08-13-2013, 05:43 PM
As I recall, somebody - DoD or CIA or one of those alphabet soup mobs - salted the atmosphere to monitor where the fallout would land. As I recall this was released in the southwest - probably NV or thereabouts - and they detected the material in Vermont and/or NH. That's "OUR" people doing this to us - not some commie scumbag from China.

These people are not American in any conventional sense, if at all. They are alien - they view us as alien to them - what else would explain how they could do such horrid things to their own? Recall the CIA experimentation with LSD and perhaps even BZ on unwitting Americans. The father of one of my friends from high school was involved in this with the US Army.
Sociopathy. That explains pretty much everything in politics and Statecraft.

willwash
08-13-2013, 06:09 PM
but kept it secret to prevent adverse consequences for the fledgling American nuclear industry.

However wouldn't they be tripping all over themselves to showcase to the world any failure of Russian communism?

Anti Federalist
08-13-2013, 11:17 PM
Forgot about this thread and the CIA apologists.

MRK
08-14-2013, 12:15 AM
The CIA was secretly spying on the Soviet Union. Why would the CIA spill the beans?



* Only in 1992 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayak#Kyshtym_Disaster), shortly after the fall of the USSR, did the Russians officially acknowledge the accident.


Surely you jest.

The Russians knew the CIA was spying on them. I mean, that's the whole public point of the agency. I think the metaphorical beans have been on the floor since before even the Cold War.

The reason they didn't reveal anything is obvious. There were interests their masters ordered them to protect by not divulging such damaging information.

FindLiberty
08-14-2013, 05:57 AM
Is it safe to add this one to the mix? Sverdlovsk anthrax leak 4-2-1979 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlovsk_anthrax_leak