Anonymous

[cdc482]

I'm curious what you guys think about Anonymous.
-Their origins are similar to ours.
-They are pro-Wikileaks.
-They are strong advocates for Bradley Manning.
-They are pro-free speech.
-They are pro-net neutrality.
-They are anti-Fed and the 2-Party-system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6neBzTnOQ&
-They seem to be into nonviolence and civil disobedience.
-Personally, I like the idea of animosity when preforming good deeds.
-They seem to like V for Vendetta.
That stuff is all great.

But also:
They are anti-West Boro Baptist Church and Scientology. So am I on a personal level. Politically, idc, because the thing with those kinds of organizations is that they only hurt people who choose to take part in them.

Lastly, the nature of the organization is one where anyone can join or claim to be a member, so there have been claims of racist attacks on hip hop websites and gay porn posted on personal myspace pages.

I'm not sure what to think of them. As far as their political and personal decisions go, they seem to be going a lot of good. The nature of the organization makes it hard to figure out if their political positions are supported by the same people who may have made racist attacks. I am curious what you guys think. And why isn't there more overlap among RP supporters and Anonymous?

I have no affiliation with anonymous. I used to think they were a tight-knit group of nerds, but they have grown on me. I am really excited about Operation Empire State Rebellion. And mad props to them for sticking up for Wikileaks and fighting government corruption.

P.S. Idk if Operation Empire State Rebellion is genuine or not. People have faked being Anonymous before.

[Kludge]

They cannot be described as supporting or opposing any idea. They are individuals free to choose which projects they contribute to and start their own projects. Just because a portion of Anonymous users participated in the project shutting down the God Hates **** websites does not mean Anonymous opposes the West Boro Baptist Church.

"Anonymous" is only a network for individuals to make collaborative projects possible. -And share gay furry cartoon porn.

[cdc482]

It seems like Anonymous and RP supporters would have a lot of overlap. I am curious why I've never seen them mentioned hear before. Especially after the Colbert Report mention of the group and the recent Operation Empire State Rebellion.

Also, Kludge, the way I understand it is that anyone can declare themselves Anonymous simply by posting on something anonymously, but that the projects (operations) that they devote group efforts on are chosen by all members. For example, if you read about them online, the hacks they made on Austrailian government websites in support of free speech was voted on, organized, and carried out by the members. Kind of like Ron Paul Forums organized the CPAC wins.

Also, the West Boro Baptist church is arguable, but they definitley organized protests against the Church of Scientology.

[Kludge]

It seems like Anonymous and RP supporters would have a lot of overlap. I am curious why I've never seen them mentioned hear before. Especially after the Colbert Report mention of the group and the recent Operation Empire State Rebellion.

Also, Kludge, the way I understand it is that anyone can declare themselves Anonymous simply by posting on something anonymously, but that the projects (operations) that they devote group efforts on are chosen by all members. For example, if you read about them online, the whole Australian "free speech" hacks they made on government websites, etc. was voted on, organized, and carried out by them.
Anonymous users are not required to do anything because someone votes in a poll. They could be using the poll to gage support to see if the project is viable, but there is no organization. Nobody is bound to do anything if they don't want to. 80% of Anon users could support Operation Wisconsin, for example, but this does not mean Anonymous supports Operation Wisconsin, and the 20% who do not support Operation Wisconsin do not have to participate in the project just because another group (that 80% group of individuals) is.

There is a lot of overlap of RP's ideas & ideas brought up in Anonymous. Anonymous is also mentioned fairly frequently here in news stories. I recall writing responses in a couple different threads as this has been asked about before. Obviously, if a member here attached their name to what they do as a part of Anonymous, it would destroy the purpose of Anonymous. If there is one thing Anonymous users all hate, it is people trying to take credit for the actions.

Anonymous is basically a few IRC chat rooms. That is generally the network. People log on, communicate with each other, and talk about what is wrong with the world and how to fix it. They try to come up with a viable fix (and this is where the polling would be helpful, to see how many people would participate in the project) and then apply it - but nobody is EVER forced to act with any group within Anonymous. Always, Anonymous is a network of individuals, but never a group fully acting in unison. There is no organization.

[cdc482]

I see what you mean; good point.

[cdc482]

How do I make a poll in this thread to ask whether or not you support Anonymous?

[Dave Aiello]

Anonymous and the 4chan community openly support Ron Paul. They are allies.

[cdc482]

Just a thought about Anonymous.
It seems like a pretty tight-knit group. Like Wikileaks, they have a growing number of public supporters. The thing is, not everyone has hacking skills. I wonder why they haven't made a simple website or forum for the "average person" to just click to show support and other simple things such as: creating traffic for websites they are trying to take down, jamming phones lines, etc. Basically, the legal forms of civil disobedience. I'm sure more numbers would help them. In a country like this, where things haven't changed in decades, it will take a lot of people coming together to make any significant change.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Most of what they do is the simple, unskilled stuff. very little of it involves hacking skills.

[pcosmar]

It seems like Anonymous and RP supporters would have a lot of overlap. I am curious why I've never seen them mentioned hear before.

There have been several threads here before.
They have been discussed at length and there are mixed views. (as with many subjects)

They had nothing to do with the WBC. They did go after the "Church" of Scientology.

You would be better served by meeting them in their realm, and discussing with them.
I am not "anonymous" (I am known), but I do visit them from time to time.
We have some parallel issues.

[specsaregood]

-They are pro-net neutrality.
Worth noting: the vast majority here are NOT for government mandated "net neutrality" It is a backdoor for government control and censorship of the internet. and an impingement on private property rights.


They seem to like V for Vendetta.
And V for Vendetta sucks.

[pcosmar]

Worth noting: the vast majority here are NOT for government mandated "net neutrality" It is a backdoor for government control and censorship of the internet. and an impingement on private property rights.


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They are not for Government mandated "net neutrality". They are for unrestricted, un-infringed, uncensored and open internet.

[Travlyr]

A99 Operation Empire State Rebellion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf17WaXrHTA&feature=player_embedded

[pcosmar]

A99 Operation Empire State Rebellion

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ampedstatus.org

Seems many are jumping on the "anonymous" bandwagon not that they have gotten some news coverage.

[JoshLowry]

I still think that bad things will be done in the name of 'anonymous'

We won't know if it is a volunteer or a paid provacateur.

Then the known people who are associated with anon will have their names tarnished. Careful supporting such a headless org.