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PeacePlan
03-18-2011, 09:47 PM
Submitted by cpowell on 07:14PM ET Friday, March 18, 2011. Section: Daily Dispatches (http://www.gata.org/node/9715)

Liberty Dollar Founder Convicted on Federal Charges

By David Forbes

Mountain Xpress, Asheville, North Carolina

Friday, March 18, 2011
http://www.mountainx.com/blogwire/2011/liberty_dollar_founder_convicted_... (http://www.mountainx.com/blogwire/2011/liberty_dollar_founder_convicted_on_federal_charge s)

Liberty Dollar founder Bernard von NotHaus was convicted today on federal charges in Statesville. The case has local implications, because Asheville Liberty Dollar head Kevin Innes also faces trial. Innes has asserted that he is innocent of any wrongdoing, and sought local support.

The full announcement from the U.S. attorney's office:
"Statesville, North Carolina -- Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted today by a federal jury of making, possessing, and selling his own coins, announced Anne M. Tompkins, U.S. attorney for the Western District of North Carolina.

"Following an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation, von NotHaus, the founder and monetary architect of a currency known as the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty by a jury in Statesville of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins; of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing Liberty Dollar coins; of issuing and passing Liberty Dollar coins intended for use as current money; and of conspiracy against the United States.

"The guilty verdict concluded an investigation that began in 2005 and involved the minting of Liberty Dollar coins with a current value of approximately $7 million.
"Joining the U.S. Attorney Anne M. Tompkins in making today's announcement are Edward J. Montooth, acting special agent in Charge of the FBI, Charlotte Division; Russell F. Nelson, special agent in charge of the U.S. Secret Service, Charlotte Division; and Sheriff Van Duncan of the Buncombe County Sheriff's Office.


"According to the evidence introduced during the trial, von NotHaus was the founder of an organization called the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code, commonly known as NORFED and also known as Liberty Services. Von NotHaus was the president of NORFED and the executive director of Liberty Dollar Services Inc. until on or about September 30, 2008. "Von NotHaus designed the Liberty Dollar currency in 1998 and the Liberty coins were marked with the '$,' the words 'dollar,' 'USA,' 'Liberty,' 'Trust in God' (instead of 'In God We Trust') and other features associated with legitimate U.S. coinage. Since 1998, NORFED has been issuing, disseminating, and placing into circulation the Liberty Dollar in all its forms throughout the United States and Puerto Rico. NORFED's purpose was to mix Liberty Dollars into the current money of the United States. NORFED intended for the Liberty Dollar to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and to compete with, United States currency.

"In coordination with the Department of Justice, on September 14, 2006, the United States Mint issued a press release and warning to American citizens that the Liberty Dollar was 'not legal tender.' The Mint press release and public service announcement stated that the Department of Justice had determined that the use of Liberty Dollars as circulating money was a federal crime.

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution delegates to Congress the power to coin money and to regulate the value thereof. This power was delegated to Congress in order to establish and preserve a uniform standard of value and to insure a singular monetary system for all purchases and debts in the United States, public and private.

"Along with the power to coin money, Congress has the concurrent power to restrain the circulation of money which is not issued under its own authority in order to protect and preserve the constitutional currency for the benefit of all citizens of the nation. It is a violation of federal law for individuals, such as von NotHaus, or organizations, such as NORFED, to create private coin or currency systems to compete with the official coinage and currency of the United States.
"Von NotHaus, who remains free on bond, faces a sentence of up to 15 years' imprisonment on Count 2 of the indictment and a fine of not more than $250,000. Von NotHaus faces a prison sentence of five years and fines of $250,000 on both Counts 1 and 3. In addition, the United States is seeking the forfeiture of approximately 16,000 pounds of Liberty Dollar coins and precious metals, currently valued at nearly $7 million.

"The forfeiture trial, which began before United States District Court Judge Richard Voorhees, will resume on April 4, 2011, in the federal courthouse in Statesville. Judge Voorhees has not yet set a date for the sentencing of von NotHaus.

"Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism," U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. "While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country," she added. "We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.

"The case was investigated by the FBI, Buncombe County Sheriff's Department and the U.S. Secret Service, in cooperation with and invaluable assistance of the United States Mint. The case was prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Jill Westmoreland Rose and Craig D. Randall and the forfeiture trial is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Tom Ascik and Ben Bain Creed."

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Man Convicted of Illegally Minting U.S. Coins
From WBTV-TV3, Charlotte, North Carolina
Friday, March 18, 2011
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14279992

STATESVILLE, North Carolina -- A man was found guilty on Friday of minting his own currency and he could be sentenced up to 15 years in prison.

According to the U.S. attorney's office, Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted in Statesville of making, possessing, and selling his own coins.

The trial lasted eight days and it took the jury less than two hours to deliberate.

NotHaus is the founder and monetary architect of a currency known as "Liberty Dollar."

The U.S. attorney's office says the coins were made to resemble United States coins and that the Liberty Dollar coins were intended for use as current money.

The investigation began in 2005 and involved the minting of Liberty Dollar coins with a current value of approximately $7 million.
Officials say NotHaus was the founder of an organization called the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code, also known as NORFED, and Liberty Services.
NotHaus was the president of the organization until about September of 2008.

NORFED distributed the Liberty Dollar throughout the United States and Puerto Rico. The U.S. attorney's office said, "NORFED's purpose was to mix Liberty Dollars into the current money of the United States."

NotHaus remains free on bond. He faces a sentence of up to 15 years imprisonment on count two of the Indictment and a fine of not more than $250,000. He faces a prison sentence of five years and fines of $250,000 on both counts one and three.

In addition, he also has to hand over 16,000 pounds of Liberty Dollar coins and precious metal valued at $7 million.

pcosmar
03-18-2011, 11:10 PM
Damn shame.
I hope he can and does appeal.

:(

Kludge
03-18-2011, 11:33 PM
He made a huge mistake and assumed the risk when he put $ amounts on his coins, but that doesn't make this ruling any less evil, and to call NORFED's actions domestic terrorism is so far-fetched and dangerous it is itself terrorism.

Kregisen
03-18-2011, 11:37 PM
Land of the free? Land of the slaves.

anaconda
03-18-2011, 11:57 PM
What jury would convict on this? Just nullify.

Inkblots
03-19-2011, 12:09 AM
What jury would convict on this? Just nullify.

Almost all of them. Select at random any group of 12 persons from the pool of eligible jurors in this country, and the odds will be exceedingly slim that any of them will have ever even heard of the concept of jury nullification, let alone approve of it. I kid you not, I recently had to explain what it was to a lawyer.

I continue to try to educate people, but things like that can be discouraging.

Stary Hickory
03-19-2011, 12:18 AM
So he is a terrorist for counter fitting? Well what hell is the Federal Reserve then? Al qaeda on steroids?

AZKing
03-19-2011, 12:23 AM
C'mon, would anyone really look at any of those coins and think, "oh hey, this is probably issued by the Government"? They don't resemble any circulated currency and anyone who has ever seen American money could make the distinction between NORFED coins and real currency.

Where the heck does the Govt. even find these attorneys? Terrorism is defined in the criminal code as premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.

spaceship_earth
03-19-2011, 02:36 AM
Submitted by cpowell on 07:14PM ET Friday, March 18, 2011. Section: Daily Dispatches (http://www.gata.org/node/9715)


"Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism," U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. "While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country," she added. "We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.







I guess they will be charging the Federal Reserve with domestic terrorism then?

http://www.stopthem.org/stop_them/Images/Two%20Dollar%20Bill%20Jefferson%20Balloon%20Short. jpg

MelissaCato
03-19-2011, 06:59 AM
"Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism," U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. "While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country," she added. "We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.


Unbelievable and why do they always say we are a democratic form of government ? Because Article 4. Section 4 says different. Actually it says protect it from invasion too. WTF !!!

pcosmar
03-19-2011, 07:41 AM
What jury would convict on this? Just nullify.

The jury was likely instructed by the Judge on how they must rule.
:(
:mad:

Travlyr
03-19-2011, 10:44 AM
So he is a terrorist for counter fitting? Well what hell is the Federal Reserve then? Al qaeda on steroids?

"Yes."

mczerone
03-19-2011, 12:53 PM
So he is a terrorist for counter fitting? Well what hell is the Federal Reserve then? Al qaeda on steroids?

Notice the language in the quote:
"Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism," U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. "While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country," she added. "We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.

This is horrible Nazism, but it shows what happens when the people accept the FRNs as "legitimate" currency. They then think that trying to keep the legitimate currency stable by introducing a commodity-based competition is a threat as serious as "violent" "anti-government" "domestic terrorism". Being against government money and disagreeing that "[a]long with the power to coin money, Congress has the concurrent power to restrain the circulation of money which is not issued under its own authority in order to protect and preserve the constitutional currency for the benefit of all citizens of the nation." is a legitimate constitutional interpretation brands one a terrorist.

Pirates are unhappy that honest people want to provide peaceful alternatives, and they can do nothing but call them names. There is no economic analysis of how NORFED was going to do anything that would hinder the U.S. in coining money, there is no charge that a competing currency would end up destroying the whole of the government, and there is no attempt to justify how maintaining such a monetary monopoly will, as claimed, actually be "for the benefit of all citizens of the nation" or to ensure "the legitimacy of our democratic [sic] form of government." This is a sick example of what the government and its supporters think of what it does, how it cannot face competition in any single area lest the whole thing collapse, but simultaneously that the govt does everything it does perfectly for the "good of the people".

I'm ashamed I can't yet successfully escape the rule of this gang.

Matt Collins
03-22-2011, 03:28 PM
Stossel has picked up on it. He writes his own blogs:
http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2011/03/22/starting-a-new-currency-is-%E2%80%9Cdomestic-terrorism%E2%80%9D/





Also there is this video from 2007 from the Liberty Dollar guy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb5RTgvZzzE&feature=player_embedded

jmdrake
03-22-2011, 03:39 PM
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/images/Norfed.jpg

Anybody that thinks the above is "similar" to U.S. currency just because it has the word "dollar" on it is an idiot.

AGRP
03-22-2011, 03:52 PM
Meanwhile...this guy is free:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hxTsT8tsvP0/S9D_3z9sjpI/AAAAAAAAAZI/pCXVZZcvcBo/s320/kevin+trudeau.jpg

dannno
03-22-2011, 04:13 PM
What jury would convict on this? Just nullify.

Who needs jury nullification? I would just give a not guilty verdict based on the fact that they weren't counterfeit, looked nothing like U.S. coins and they had no intention of doing so.


In other words:


http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/images/Norfed.jpg

Anybody that thinks the above is "similar" to U.S. currency just because it has the word "dollar" on it is an idiot.

nobody's_hero
03-22-2011, 05:51 PM
"Oh no!!! Silver Coins! OMG sooo scary!!! Terrorist!"

Really, how did they make that jump?

Dr.3D
03-22-2011, 08:38 PM
And what gets me is they were made of silver and thus the real thing. Just how does one counterfeit silver? If anything, the dimes, quarters and half dollars the United States mint is putting in circulation is counterfeit, somehow they have inserted a copper blank between two thin plates of silver and passed it off as money.

I remember when the mint started passing those slugs for money too. When I saw that copper around the bezel, I knew most people wouldn't care, but myself, I knew I was being ripped off.

Kludge
03-22-2011, 09:06 PM
Guessing this got its own thread somewhere, but is relevant and encouraging.

Our own Glen Bradley was, today, on Neil Cavuto's show promoting sound money. Was honestly shocking to see him on. Was a good interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc1j2uUx-do

Aratus
03-23-2011, 09:16 AM
a century ago, each bank could issue propietory bills quite
similar to the GOV'ts CRANE MINT PAPER "greenback" bills.

Matt Collins
04-23-2011, 05:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0D7s4MfbQE



Also on Freedom Watch with Judge Napolitano:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufHiZKKh9Hw#t=27m0s

Indy Vidual
04-23-2011, 09:57 PM
Almost all of them. Select at random any group of 12 persons from the pool of eligible jurors in this country, and the odds will be exceedingly slim that any of them will have ever even heard of the concept of jury nullification, let alone approve of it. I kid you not, I recently had to explain what it was to a lawyer.

I continue to try to educate people, but things like that can be discouraging.

+1776 jury nullification