Donald Trump Goes Birther

[qh4dotcom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9wNeXLwPw

[Deborah K]

oh wow! Interesting point he makes.

[qh4dotcom]

oh wow! Interesting point he makes.

There is more evidence than what he said...I wonder what Trump would do if 100+ plaintiffs sued him and they all wanted to see his birth certificate

[hillbilly123069]

Did you see him get roasted last night on comedy central?

[ronpaulmn]

Yea, the roast of him was great. It's actually more about the roasters "roasting" the other people that are also doing the roasting, but still pretty fun.

[anaconda]

Gee, a reasonable man gets to publicly doubt Obama without being labeled a nut job conspiracy theorist.

[qh4dotcom]

Gee, a reasonable man gets to publicly doubt Obama without being labeled a nut job conspiracy theorist.

I wonder if Anderson Cooper would have the guts to debate Trump on the birther issue.

[doodle]

He seems inquisitive.
He probably wants some answers about 9/11 too and therefore probably a "truther" too.

[Jack Bauer]

I wonder if Anderson Cooper would have the guts to debate Trump on the birther issue.

It won't work because you can't call Trump a dumbass hillbilly and get away with it. There is too much evidence to the contrary.

[qh4dotcom]

It won't work because you can't call Trump a dumbass hillbilly and get away with it. There is too much evidence to the contrary.

True but if Cooper should give it a try anyway...

[Don Lapre]

Whenever A. Cooper speaks on the birth certificate issue he spews SO much bogus information that it seriously looks like a very bad SNL bit.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Just off the top of my head, due to growing up in Indonesia from age 6 to age 10, he probably wasn't the most popular kid around when he moved back to Hawaii with his grandparents. It's also impossible for his second grade American classmates to talk about him because he didn't go to early elementary school in America. There are photos of him on his high school basketball team, as well. It's not like he didn't exist before college.

There are far better issues with which to hammer Obama.

[ronaldo23]

interesting that trump is such a fervent supporter of Rahm Emanuel but opponent of Obama

[Don Lapre]

There are far better issues with which to hammer Obama.

I take from this that you're fine with with having an ineligible candidate occupy the oval office for 4 years?

Maybe 4 more?


I have a really hard time wrapping my mind around such a POV, but hey, everyone can have their opinion.

[qh4dotcom]

I take from this that you're fine with with having an ineligible candidate occupy the oval office for 4 years?

Maybe 4 more?


I have a really hard time wrapping my mind around such a POV, but hey, everyone can have their opinion.

Well said...also don't forget that this issue is the fastest way to reverse/nullify all the damage he has signed into law.

[Don Lapre]

Well said...also don't forget that this issue is the fastest way to reverse/nullify all the damage he has signed into law.

Thanks.

And understand, I am not saying that Barry IS ineligible.

I'm saying that he hasn't, to my satisfaction at least, proven that he is eligible.

[Vessol]

Oh look..my "give a fuck" meter is still at zero..

[Kregisen]

Oh look..my "give a fuck" meter is still at zero..

Personally I'm glad Trump got in on this. I view this as 2 of our enemies fighting eachother....go for it.

It will be interesting to see if there is a result to this whole birther issue.

[Don Lapre]

It will be interesting to see if there is a result to this whole birther issue.

With many states ready to require definitive verification of citizenship prior to getting on the ballot, it would appear to me that this situation will reach some sort of "climax" prior to fall of 2012, if not before.

And prior to that, I really do think that it will no longer be possible for Barry to dodge and avoid directly answering questions regarding his past - as he's been able to do so far.

The issue isn't going to go away.

As I see it, he will either have to show the long form or not run for re-election in 2012.


If you ask my opinion, I think he's not going to be the democratic nominee in 2012.

But hey, that's based on other things, too, and as I said - it's just my opinion.

[devil21]

Trump will be whatever he thinks may win him votes if he runs.

So people would vote for the guy flying around in this private jet, with his gaudy self portrait on the wall behind him, as a representative of the people? lol

[Cap]

This begs the question of who is more arrogant, "The Donald" or Obama. Just watching Trump reminds me of finger nails on a chalk board. By the way, Obama hasn't sufficiently proven he is eligible for POTUS.

[vita3]

Trump is the ultimate crook in the public spotlight. He has manipulated NJ GOV & others like a pro. His failed casinos have been bankrupted 3 TIMES & his debt gets wiped away everytime.

Sickening that he is glorified by NBC, Comedy Central ETC.

[Krugerrand]

Personally I'm glad Trump got in on this. I view this as 2 of our enemies fighting eachother....go for it.

It will be interesting to see if there is a result to this whole birther issue.

I tend to agree with those that see this as an issue used to control Obama by his puppet masters. I'm not so sure that this is two enemies fighting as much as it is a reminder to the puppet that he's not the puppet master.

[dean.engelhardt]

oh wow! Interesting point he makes.

What? Trump is being ridiculous. You have to prove your citizenship by producing someone that remembers you from Kindergarten?

What if we can't find anyone that remembers Ron Paul from Kindergarten?

[specsaregood]

Just off the top of my head, due to growing up in Indonesia from age 6 to age 10, he probably wasn't the most popular kid around when he moved back to Hawaii with his grandparents. It's also impossible for his second grade American classmates to talk about him because he didn't go to early elementary school in America. There are photos of him on his high school basketball team, as well. It's not like he didn't exist before college.

There are far better issues with which to hammer Obama.

Barack Obama's kindergarten class:
http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2011/03/a_560x375.jpg
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/17/trump-not-sure-if-obama-was-born-in-the-united-states/

[Feeding the Abscess]

Barack Obama's kindergarten class:
http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2011/03/a_560x375.jpg
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/17/trump-not-sure-if-obama-was-born-in-the-united-states/

Even better. Photographic evidence to his childhood from both before and after his age 6-10 stint in Indonesia. (I misremembered earlier, thought Trump said second or third grade, instead of what he actually said - kindergarten)

[dbill27]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Thank Christ. This will without a doubt destroy this kooks chances of ever going anywhere in politics. Will this non issue fucking die?????????

[specsaregood]

Even better. Photographic evidence to his childhood from both before and after his age 6-10 stint in Indonesia. (I misremembered earlier, thought Trump said second or third grade, instead of what he actually said - kindergarten)

It is such a stupid argument to make and so easy to disprove one must wonder if the whole reason he said it was to further delegitimize the argument in the minds of the public. And considering his donations to democrats and Rahm......somewhat believable.

[Don Lapre]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Dbill, if Factcheck was supposed to be lending support to Obama with that page of theirs, they have quite a wacky way of doing so.

I made note of the issue as the last post of the Bachmann thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283277-Rep-Bachmann-quot-The-1st-thing-I-d-release-if-running-for-president-is-my-birth-certificate-quot&p=3161566#post3161566

Factcheck shows two photos of what they say is the same document, and yet one photo shows the document having a seal and the other has ... NO seal.


http://factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/seal.jpg

Seal.



http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/hands.jpg

NO seal.

Blow it up, enhance it, do what you like with it - but there is NO seal there.




Interesting?

[Deborah K]

What? Trump is being ridiculous. You have to prove your citizenship by producing someone that remembers you from Kindergarten?

What if we can't find anyone that remembers Ron Paul from Kindergarten?

You're missing the point. He states: "Nobody ever comes forward, nobody knows who he is until later in his life." He's suggesting that not only was he schooled abroad during his early years, he was probably born there as well. Couple that with the fact that you can't get any records on the guy. Why is that?
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/31068

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Donald Trump Goes Birther

Woo-hoo! One less viable candidate standing in Ron Paul's path to the GOP presidential nomination.

[Deborah K]

Woo-hoo! One less viable candidate standing in Ron Paul's path to the GOP presidential nomination.

Trump didn't stand a chance even before this comment. He carries way too much baggage. He won't run.

[eOs]

You know it says a lot when people who denounce the MSM continually mouth off their propaganda terms. Stop playing the game.

[Vessol]

Interesting?

Yes because they thought they were so clever in faking his birth that they forgot to put a seal on the front of the certificate. Foiled again! And they would've gone away with it if it wasn't for you Birthers, and that dog too!

[qh4dotcom]

Woo-hoo! One less viable candidate standing in Ron Paul's path to the GOP presidential nomination.

He said he's willing to spend up to $600 million....you think $600 million won't win an election?

Ron Paul would also win with $600 million

Rick Scott spent $73 million and managed to win despite the HCA fraud allegation

[Don Lapre]

Yes because they thought they were so clever in faking his birth that they forgot to put a seal on the front of the certificate. Foiled again! And they would've gone away with it if it wasn't for you Birthers, and that dog too!

lol

I'm not claiming the 'birthers' are brighter than anyone else.

I'm just pointing out that what Factcheck (who is supposedly reputable) posted was very silly, and what team Barry posted on the internet as supposed "proof" of his U.S. birth, was silly.

One can come to their own conclusion as to why these odd things have happened.

I'm just interested in the facts.


Fact is, we haven't seen Barry's long form certificate - or damn near ANY of his important documents.

[dean.engelhardt]

You're missing the point. He states: "Nobody ever comes forward, nobody knows who he is until later in his life." He's suggesting that not only was he schooled abroad during his early years, he was probably born there as well. Couple that with the fact that you can't get any records on the guy. Why is that?
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/31068

There is no point to miss. Personal referrals have no bearing on determining citizenship. Where he went to school has no bearing on citizenship. They only point here is that Trump is a moron. You would never hear Ron Paul talk like this because he is not a moron. Don't say how smarter you are and brag about the top schools you attended then follow it up with the pure stupidity and expect to get a pass.

[Dissident]

There is no point to miss. Personal referrals have no bearing on determining citizenship. Where he went to school has no bearing on citizenship. They only point here is that Trump is a moron. You would never hear Ron Paul talk like this because he is not a moron. Don't say how smarter you are and brag about the top schools you attended then follow it up with the pure stupidity and expect to get a pass.

Haha. Trump is not a contender and I wouldn't put any stock in him spending $600 million on the race.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Trump didn't stand a chance even before this comment. He carries way too much baggage. He won't run.

There's a good chance Donald Trump will run. If it was anyone other than Trump, the presidential run would seem inevitable now. But Trump is a big enough media/publicity whore that there is doubt and that this could all be another act again, like it was the last two times he openly pretended to be considering a presidential campaign.

[BlackTerrel]

Donald Trump: still a douchebag. Still has no shot of being President

[RonPaulFanInGA]

He said he's willing to spend up to $600 million....you think $600 million won't win an election?

Ron Paul would also win with $600 million

Rick Scott spent $73 million and managed to win despite the HCA fraud allegation

Meg Whitman spending over $160 million in California alone didn't win the Governor's race for her.
Linda McMahon spending fifty million in Connecticut alone didn't buy her a U.S. Senate seat.
John McCain spending $333 million in 2008 didn't prevent him from losing big.
Barack Obama spending $730 million in 2008 didn't get him a win in some swing states like Missouri.

There are some things money simply can't buy. If you're a flawed enough candidate, all the money if the world won't buy you an election. Especially a national one. Donald Trump can spend $600 million, and Michael Bloomberg can spend a billion of his own money running for President like he's openly talked about; neither will ever win. They're political losers.

[Flash]

Meg Whitman spending over $160 million in California alone didn't win the Governor's race for her.
Linda McMahon spending fifty million in Connecticut alone didn't buy her a U.S. Senate seat.
John McCain spending $333 million in 2008 didn't prevent him from losing big.
Barack Obama spending $730 million in 2008 didn't get him a win in some swing states like Missouri.

There are some things money simply can't buy. If you're a flawed enough candidate, all the money if the world won't buy you an election. Especially a national one. Donald Trump can spend $600 million, and Michael Bloomberg can spend a billion of his own money running for President like he's openly talked about; neither will ever win. They're political losers.

Yeah and Huckabee was an underfunded candidate yet still went on to win Iowa due to his grassroots support which money couldn't buy. I doubt Trump will have enough passionate grassroots followers.

[qh4dotcom]

Meg Whitman spending over $160 million in California alone didn't win the Governor's race for her.
Linda McMahon spending fifty million in Connecticut alone didn't buy her a U.S. Senate seat.
John McCain spending $333 million in 2008 didn't prevent him from losing big.
Barack Obama spending $730 million in 2008 didn't get him a win in some swing states like Missouri.

There are some things money simply can't buy. If you're a flawed enough candidate, all the money if the world won't buy you an election. Especially a national one. Donald Trump can spend $600 million, and Michael Bloomberg can spend a billion of his own money running for President like he's openly talked about; neither will ever win. They're political losers.

Obama is a flawed candidate, yet managed to win...and he didn't spend $730 million specifically in Missouri...he wasted money in non-swing states.
If you spend so many millions like those other candidates you mentioned and you don't win it's because you hired incompetent overpaid campaign staff.