UPDATE: All "V" movies removed from ThisNovember5th.com

[SwordOfShannarah]

We asked for videos without "V" or "Guy Fawkes" references and now we have them. There are 4 great videos on the site that everyone should find agreeable. I think this is a very happy medium and solves the issue. I'd like to see everyone come together on this now if possible.

(sorry for yet another thread but I really think this update is important).

UPDATE: I see some threads trying to keep this debate alive, mentions of selling out, yadda yadda.. I want to remind everyone that when the concerns about "V" first came up my reaction was that, "at this time these are the best videos we have but if someone wants to make some other videos I will gladly use them." So there was no bowing to pressure, no selling out or anything like that. The "V" movies are still out there for anyone who likes them so that is not lost.

I think at this point keeping the debate alive because you are now MAD that "V" is no longer on the page is selfish. The day is still November 5th and the content is more family friendly. What more can you want? It was constructive criticism and it was well taken and the site is improved. I think about 99% of us are happy now and donations are going to go UP!

Remember, this is about Ron Paul and about us taking our country back. Divide and conquer is a tactic, and I feel some are on these boards for this purpose only. Just ignore them, don't bother with the V threads or posts in threads where people are negative. It's a waste of time and I'll tell you the complaints now fall on deaf ears.

If you've got a good positive honest suggestion for the site please send it to me directly.

The true Ron Paul supporters will drop the debate, join hands and work together to make this November 5th a day the whole world takes notice. Another "shot heard round the world" if you will. Our forefathers have given us the gift of non-violent revolution once every four years. This year we intend to make it count.

God Bless America! Go Ron Paul!

[Korey Kaczynski]

Good. I didn't like the movie, felt it was too left-wing, and dislike linking Ron Paul to it.

[literatim]

Yay! :D

[DeadheadForPaul]

Swords, great work. Just to let you know, I'm one of the biggest V-November 5th detractors, and I think you're really helping out the campaign and doing the grassroots thing up big. I truly appreciate your removal of the V material and willingness to listen to our concerns - sorry if me or anyone else got emotional over it. We want the same thing as you and here's to a successful fundraising event

[Brinck Slattery]

Awesome! Thank you so much for doing this, it will help out the campaign. You did the right thing!

[Spirit of '76]

Glad to see you guys are finding common ground and working together to get past the controversy over this stuff.

Makes me happy...

[paulitics]

great, I think the media will now have a much harder time spinning it. They woud have to lie, instead of just showing a website. Not only that, I think we will raise more money because the detractors can now hop aboard.

[Ridiculous]

Great! I hope you all are very successful!

[Jojo]

Thank you for listening. I'll see if I can cough up another donation..

[Santana28]

awesome. That movie sucked anyways :-P

I'd rather we reference Spartacus or 300!

[NinjaPirate]

Cool beans, just as long as the 5th is in full swing.

[Original_Intent]

Why is www.ronpaulgraphs.com showing a dip in subscribers to ThisNovember5th?? Can people unsubscribe and have they???

[LukeNM]

I was going to donate anyway, but now I will actually sign-up!

"V" for Victory...

[davidhperry]

I'm glad to see we all of us come together on this - thanks so much! Let's pure some gas on this and reach everyone we possibly can.

[centure7]

Thank God that is over. All said though I was leaning more and more to it not actually mattering.

[DrNoZone]

As one of the next biggest detractors to the V reference, a BIG thanks goes to you for listening to reason! You now have one more person subscribed to this effort!

[RevolutionSD]

Good. I didn't like the movie, felt it was too left-wing, and dislike linking Ron Paul to it.

Why did you feel it was "left wing"?

[TexMac]

Why is www.RonPaulgraphs.com (http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com) showing a dip in subscribers to ThisNovember5th?? Can people unsubscribe and have they???
That always happens in the morning. It will straighten out.

[kylejack]

Why did you feel it was "left wing"?

Because V in the movie is a socialist as opposed to V in the comic being an anarchist.

[Ridiculous]

Because V in the movie is a socialist as opposed to V in the comic being an anarchist.

Both are bad in my opinion. Ron Paul is neither.


Thanks again for making this a plan we can all get behind Sword!

[American]

LOL, like the American people are going to connect the dots with this anyways. There are losing there freedoms and being sold a bill of empty goods and they havent picked up on that yet. But you think they can connect the dots with some obscure fictional "V"

WOW, goes to show you cant teach common sense, you either have it or you dont.

[madcat033]

w00t! Let's do this shit! Let's raise a ton of money for Ron Paul on November 5th!

[G-khan]

My guess is donations and sign ups will now fall - we shall see..

[Ridiculous]

My guess is donations and sign ups will now fall - we shall see..

Doubt it.

[damijin]

Kudos to the grass roots community for working this out. You've all shown great maturity, and this event is sure to put us well on the way to $12m for the quarter!

Thanks everyone :)

[kylejack]

Both are bad in my opinion. Ron Paul is neither.

I was addressing the leftist comments and don't care what's bad in your opinion.

[DrNoZone]

LOL, like the American people are going to connect the dots with this anyways. There are losing there freedoms and being sold a bill of empty goods and they havent picked up on that yet. But you think they can connect the dots with some obscure fictional "V"


If they connect the dots on their own, so be it. But we certainly don't need to help them make the connection. The connection to V is irrelevant to what we're trying to accomplish on Nov. 5th. These changes seriously just made my day. :D

[DrNoZone]

My guess is donations and sign ups will now fall - we shall see..

No they won't. They'll go up, because all of those detractors who thought the connection was a bad idea will now sign up and get behind this (as I just did, though I was going to donate before the changes, I just wasn't going to sign up).

[Brinck Slattery]

yeah I have to agree that this makes me uber-happy. THANK YOU!!

[ValidusCustodiae]

I'm surprised.

We've censored ourselves according to what the mainstream is supposed to represent and desire.

Compromise would have been people who didn't want to donate on Nov. 5th doing just that. Caving in to the pressure of certain people in the Ron Paul movement will make them think they can piss and moan and get people to change their convictions any time they want. I think this "compromise" is a bad idea, all the same, I'll still be donating on Nov. 5th and the media will still draw comparisons. When will you all realize that the media is not on our side and will never be? We can't rely on them to get Ron Paul elected, we have to rely on our willingness to give freely of ourselves and educate people about the issues. The media is not going to do all of this for us. Stop giving 2 shets what the media will say!

[qwerty]

We must spread the address HARDER!

:cool:

[DrNoZone]

I'm surprised.

We've censored ourselves according to what the mainstream is supposed to represent and desire.

Compromise would have been people who didn't want to donate on Nov. 5th doing just that. Caving in to the pressure of certain people in the Ron Paul movement will make them think they can piss and moan and get people to change their convictions any time they want. I think this "compromise" is a bad idea, all the same, I'll still be donating on Nov. 5th and the media will still draw comparisons. When will you all realize that the media is not on our side and will never be? We can't rely on them to get Ron Paul elected, we have to rely on our willingness to give freely of ourselves and educate people about the issues. The media is not going to do all of this for us. Stop giving 2 shets what the media will say!

You just don't get it. My complaint wasn't about the media being on our side; I KNOW they aren't. My complaint was precisely for that reason. Any group who isn't on your side will use their bully pulpit to discredit you for ANY reason they can dig up. And in this case, they didn't have to dig anything up, we were handing it to them on a platter.

As for detractors being immature enough to think that any person or group will now bow down to their every wish, please, you have to be kidding me.

[Bobby Johnson]

Thanks for the change. I think this will really help give a boost to the total number of subcribers. As a thank you, I'll double my donation on that day and email the link to several people I know who wouldn't have been comfortable with the original theme.

Thanks

[G-khan]

No they won't. They'll go up, because all of those detractors who thought the connection was a bad idea will now sign up and get behind this (as I just did, though I was going to donate before the changes, I just wasn't going to sign up).

Well I am now considering not giving on that day........... To me it was a strike against the creators Liberty to support RP how he wanted and I want no part of it!

How does one take their name out of the data base?

[DrNoZone]

Well I am now considering not giving on that day........... To me it was a strike against the creators Liberty to support RP how he wanted and I want no part of it!

How does one take their name out of the data base?

A strike against his creativity? Oh please, the site creator listened to the concerns and VOLUNTARILY made these changes. Nobody was holding his feet to the fire.

As for you not donating: please, that's petty. But do as you wish; your donation certainly wasn't the bedrock of this push.

[kylejack]

Well I am now considering not giving on that day........... To me it was a strike against the creators Liberty to support RP how he wanted and I want no part of it!

How does one take their name out of the data base?
Don't make pledges that you can't fulfill.

[DeadheadForPaul]

Well I am now considering not giving on that day........... To me it was a strike against the creators Liberty to support RP how he wanted and I want no part of it!

How does one take their name out of the data base?

Swords was kind enough to find a compromise between both sides and voluntarily removed some videos - which he didnt have to do but CHOSE to do because he's on Team Freedom and wants to unite us

The majority of the forum appreciates him for defusing the situation and letting us focus on getting some money for the campaign on Nov 5 and Nov 11. If anything, I expect his actions to INCREASE the donations

[G-khan]

Don't make pledges that you can't fulfill.

Don't change what you have presented to me and give me something else..

[Spirit of '76]

Swords was kind enough to find a compromise between both sides and voluntarily removed some videos - which he didnt have to do but CHOSE to do because he's on Team Freedom and wants to unite us

Exactly.

I didn't have a problem with it as it was, aside from all of the constant pissing and moaning that it generated here on the forums.

I was hoping that Swords' compromise would end that, but some people just want to bitch no matter what.

That's America -- everybody's a victim. :rolleyes:

[kylejack]

Don't change what you have presented to me and give me something else..
Presentation is meaningless. You made a pledge that you would donate on 11/5 and you are now welching. Your pledge did not state that you would only donate if the site stayed the same. Changes to the site don't change the pledge you made.

[margomaps]

Well I am now considering not giving on that day........... To me it was a strike against the creators Liberty to support RP how he wanted and I want no part of it!

How does one take their name out of the data base?

Come on man, that's not cool. Think about it. The point of this Nov 5th donation is for Ron Paul supporters to get together and put a huge amount of money into the campaign. Don't you want to be a part of that still? Is it so important to you to have references to a movie in this campaign, that you will withdraw your support from Ron Paul if you don't get your way?

I urge you to reconsider. Is 'V' more important than Ron Paul?

Look, I can understand your point of view, and that you're disappointed with the direction of the Nov 5th campaign. But we need to stick together on this.

[DeadheadForPaul]

Don't change what you have presented to me and give me something else..

G-khan, if you dont want to fulfill your pledge, I will donate for you since I havent "subscribed" yet on ThisNov5.com

Deal?

[Ridiculous]

Well I am now considering not giving on that day........... To me it was a strike against the creators Liberty to support RP how he wanted and I want no part of it!

How does one take their name out of the data base?

The creator's liberty? The creator had an idea, some people had some concerns about the negative impact that the idea might have the the creator might not have originally considered. He was initially resistant to change, but then decided to change his mind. There is no self censorship here.

If anything it just shows his maturity, intelligence and willingness to consider other's opinions.

If a for profit company is going to launch an advertising campaign, they consider all negative possibilities it is called a SWOT analysis (a PERT can also be used). They then adjust their message so that their brand can have the most positive impression on every one that the campaign reaches. You may want to target a niche, but you don't want to put off people outside that niche that are potential customers.

There was a possibility of some negative blow back for the V imagery. The V vids were replaced with other vids THAT ARE JUST AS EFFECTIVE, but don't have the potential for negative consequences.

I can only see that as a positive.

[reduen]

Good job Sword, the videos are great! I was already committed to donating but I am glad you changed the videos for those who had some type of problem with that silly movie...:)

[fletcher]

Thank you for removing those videos.

[G-khan]

I will give some other day and not that day........

[Ozwest]

Happy Campers!

[kylejack]

I will give some other day and not that day........
Well I'd like to take you at your word, but your word is no good.

[drain]

can someone briefly summarize what the issue was or link me to one?

thanks.

[Spirit of '76]

I will give some other day and not that day........

Cool. As long as you donate!

Nothing to see here folks...

[kylejack]

can someone briefly summarize what the issue was or link me to one?

thanks.

God no. Let's put it behind us.

[G-khan]

G-khan, if you dont want to fulfill your pledge, I will donate for you since I havent "subscribed" yet on ThisNov5.com

Deal?

I will pay my own way thank you.. I will donate on the 3rd

[Spirit of '76]

I will pay my own way thank you.. I will donate on the 3rd

Good job. Thank you for donating. :)

[Ozwest]

can someone briefly summarize what the issue was or link me to one?

thanks.

Welcome to the forum. Trust me, you don't want to read the links. Follow this thread and you'll get the idea.

[SouthernGuy15]

This is bullcrud.

The references to "V" were fantastic!

The fact a bunch of thugs yelled and screamed until all such references were removed makes me want to vomit.

I'm also ashamed of the people in charge of the project that took down the references.

[G-khan]

Well I'd like to take you at your word, but your word is no good.

Look if you come to me at ebay and present me with something and I bid on it and then at the time of payment come and say no this is what you are getting not what I showed you - do you think I should still pay?

As far as I am concerned the creator changed it...

As for what your word is worth - I now know you can tell me one thing and then change it and to you it is all the same..

[DrNoZone]

This is bullcrud.

The references to "V" were fantastic!

The fact a bunch of thugs yelled and screamed until all such references were removed makes me want to vomit.

I'm also ashamed of the people in charge of the project that took down the references.

Thugs? Are you kidding? Because we had a reasoned, logical disagreement? Thug means (according to my dictionary): a violent person. How ironic that you'd use that term considering the "V" ties to violence.

Ashamed of the site owner? He's a hero, for putting this thing together and for listening to reasoned debate about the issues and then making his OWN decision on what should/should not be done about it.

[centure7]

We asked for videos without "V" or "Guy Fawkes" references and now we have them. There are 4 great videos on the site that everyone should find agreeable. I think this is a very happy medium and solves the issue. I'd like to see everyone come together on this now if possible.

(sorry for yet another thread but I really think this update is important).

I've visited the new website, and think the videos are all great. A few days ago I said I thought we would get at most 12,000. With the site you have now l think more than 12,000 will sign up, and I don't even want to guess at what it will be. In fact I pledge to not even look at that number any more!. But I will happily promote that site if I get the chance to.

[kylejack]

Page isn't loading the signup form for me, or the participant total...anyone else having trouble like this with the site?

Edit: NM, just really slow.

[SouthernGuy15]

I am not kidding at all.

I am very serious.

Those that opposed the "V" references went far and beyond simply giving an opinion. They told people not to support the project, to bury stories about the project, and basically had temper tantrums. I'm so disgusted with what has happened I want to vomit.

I'm ashamed of the people in charge of this project because they allowed a bunch of thugs to dictate orders to them.

[Tenbatsu]

This was a good decision. We need unity now more than ever. The more divided we become, the easier we will be to conquer. Let's not show any weakness.

[reduen]

Wow, I think you all take this stupid movie way too serious!

Just get over it and donate. It is that simple..:)

[Spirit of '76]

I'm so disgusted with what has happened I want to vomit.


Well, then please go somewhere and vomit, so that the rest of us can finally forget about this stupid controversy and get around to discussing something important.

:rolleyes:

[DrNoZone]

I am not kidding at all.

I am very serious.

Those that opposed the "V" references went far and beyond simply giving an opinion. They told people not to support the project, to bury stories about the project, and basically had temper tantrums. I'm so disgusted with what has happened I want to vomit.

I'm ashamed of the people in charge of this project because they allowed a bunch of thugs to dictate orders to them.

Umm...no, I don't think most of the detractors did anything like you claim. I know I certainly didn't. I simply expressed my opinion on the matter here on the forums.

Anyway, I'm sooo over arguing this issue. The owner of this site deserves a "bring us all together" award for his reasoned and mature response to the valid concerns voiced here over the past week.

[lonestarguy]

Well, we're all grownups here, at least some of us. I found the movie quite fascinating and illuminating, as did others, with more than a few parallels to the momentous events of our era. The precipice from which freedom, liberty and hope dangle. From wikipedia's entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)) in the comments and review section of V for Vendetta:

Several libertarians, including members from the Mises Institute's LewRockwell.com, see the film as a positive depiction in favour of a free society with limited government and free enterprise. They cite the state's terrorism as being of greater evil and rationalized by its political machinery, while V's acts are seen as "terroristic" because they are done by a single individual.[12][52] Justin Raimondo, the libertarian editor of Antiwar.com, praised the film for its sociopolitical self-awareness and saw the film's success as "helping to fight the cultural rot that the War Party feeds on".

[kylejack]

Umm...no, I don't think most of the detractors did anything like you claim. I know I certainly didn't.
Erowe would be one example. Justinc would be another.

[centure7]

I am not kidding at all.

I am very serious.

Those that opposed the "V" references went far and beyond simply giving an opinion. They told people not to support the project, to bury stories about the project, and basically had temper tantrums. I'm so disgusted with what has happened I want to vomit.

I'm ashamed of the people in charge of this project because they allowed a bunch of thugs to dictate orders to them.

SouthernGuy, its the same type of "Raging minority" that will defeat the political machine next election. Nov 5 will make the news with either idea.

[Ridiculous]

Look if you come to me at ebay and present me with something and I bid on it and then at the time of payment come and say no this is what you are getting not what I showed you - do you think I should still pay?

As far as I am concerned the creator changed it...

As for what your word is worth - I now know you can tell me one thing and then change it and to you it is all the same..


It is false logic.

It would be different if it was an ad and they requested donations to run the ad took your money and changed the ad.

But this is a request for donations to the actual campaign. The site creator doesn't even touch your money. In the end Ron Paul still gets the money. If the website gets changed around, it doesn't really change anything as far as your donation goes....they didn't sell you anything.

[katao]

Thank you!!!

[SouthernGuy15]

It's a broken contract! I don't think people should support this anymore!

They should just donate the money RIGHT NOW and keep supporting Ron Paul. But they should NOT support a project that was manipulated by an angry mob!

[Spirit of '76]

Erowe would be one example. Justinc would be another.

Yes, some people were indeed trollish and counter-productive in their opposition to it, but ultimately it turns out that they're no worse than the people who are now whining about thugs and bullies and threatening to withdraw their pledges.

Both groups consist of immature people who ultimately are working against the common goal -- making the 5 November fundraiser a success.

If they really cared about Ron Paul more than their egos or their affinity for some Hollywood movie, they'd slap some novocain on their aching pussies and go do something for Ron.

[DrNoZone]

I don't think people should support this anymore!


Hahahahah...oh, the irony is killing me.

[kylejack]

Yes, some people were indeed trollish and counter-productive in their opposition to it, but ultimately it turns out that they're no worse than the people who are now whining about thugs and bullies and threatening to withdraw their pledges.

Both groups consist of immature people who ultimately are working against the common goal -- making the 5 November fundraiser a success.

If they really cared about Ron Paul more than their egos or their affinity for some Hollywood movie, they'd slap some novocain on their aching pussies and go do something for Ron.

I'm not in either group. The outrage was overblown, and the ejections from the project are ridiculous.

[ValidusCustodiae]

Well, we're all grownups here, at least some of us. I found the movie quite fascinating and illuminating, as did others, with more than a few parallels to the momentous events of our era. The precipice from which freedom, liberty and hope dangle. From wikipedia's entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)) in the comments and review section of V for Vendetta:

Several libertarians, including members from the Mises Institute's LewRockwell.com, see the film as a positive depiction in favour of a free society with limited government and free enterprise. They cite the state's terrorism as being of greater evil and rationalized by its political machinery, while V's acts are seen as "terroristic" because they are done by a single individual.[12][52] Justin Raimondo, the libertarian editor of Antiwar.com, praised the film for its sociopolitical self-awareness and saw the film's success as "helping to fight the cultural rot that the War Party feeds on".

Thank you for this post.

As this argument CONTINUES, I am glad that some people are willing to admit that there is every reason to associate Ron Paul loosely with this story because V is a hero and so is Ron Paul and they both fought for the same thing!

Remember the part at the end where the cop asks the girl who V was and she says he was you and me and all the people that were stomped upon? That's how I think of Ron Paul, he represents ALL of us that are pushed aside by the popular majority, which is one of the biggest reasons that a representative republic is a better form of government than a democracy.

[Johnnybags]

It's a broken contract! I don't think people should support this anymore!

They should just donate the money RIGHT NOW and keep supporting Ron Paul. But they should NOT support a project that was manipulated by an angry mob!

Get a lawyer, sue the site for lying to you. Is that you HUCK?

[werdd]

Ron paul said on the adam curry show dailysourcecode.com that november 5th is aok, its a great interview listen to it if you get the chance

[Ozwest]

I am not kidding at all.

I am very serious.

Those that opposed the "V" references went far and beyond simply giving an opinion. They told people not to support the project, to bury stories about the project, and basically had temper tantrums. I'm so disgusted with what has happened I want to vomit.

I'm ashamed of the people in charge of this project because they allowed a bunch of thugs to dictate orders to them.

I am on your side, and understand your feelings, but everyone should be gracious. Let's move forward and bring home the bacon for Ron Paul... This contribution drive will always be remembered for what it is. The mouse has ROARED.

[SouthernGuy15]

It's the PRINCIPLE of the matter! PRINCIPLES are more important than ANYTHING else! If you don't have your PRINCIPLES nothing else matters!

The connection to "V" was a GREAT idea! Not matter what anyone says, "V" was a hero in that movie and liberated England! There was nothing wrong with having connections to "V". Now, I have no problem with people speaking up about the connection to "V" if they didn't like it, but I saw actions that went beyond requests.

I guess all of you didn't see the countless threads that poped up, temper tantrums, calls for people to sabotage the project, and calls to bury it!

PEOPLE WERE CALLING FOR PEOPLE TO BURY THREADS ABOUT A RON PAUL RELATED PROJECT!!!!

IT WAS INSANITY!

Now, those in charge of the project removed the references to "V" like good little lap dogs. It is PATHETIC in my opinion!

I hate to see what the NEXT project will be that is viciously ATTACKED!

[DrNoZone]

It's REALLY uninformed to say that a contract was broken. There was no contract. You were simply signing up to say you'd pledge $100 on the 5th. The owner of the site was making ZERO agreements with you about anything.

[Ridiculous]

It's a broken contract! I don't think people should support this anymore!

They should just donate the money RIGHT NOW and keep supporting Ron Paul. But they should NOT support a project that was manipulated by an angry mob!

Haha. What irony.

[NinjaPirate]

It's a broken contract! I don't think people should support this anymore!

They should just donate the money RIGHT NOW and keep supporting Ron Paul. But they should NOT support a project that was manipulated by an angry mob!

Well, just because the vids were taken off the site, it still doesn't stop them from making more V vids on youtube.

There weren't any references to V on the site except for the vids. Right now there is a pretty good mixture of movie clips pertaining to the 5th which only shows the enhancement of people's creativity.

[kylejack]

It's the PRINCIPLE of the matter! PRINCIPLES are more important than ANYTHING else! If you don't have your PRINCIPLES nothing else matters!

The connection to "V" was a GREAT idea! Not matter what anyone says, "V" was a hero in that movie and liberated England! There was nothing wrong with having connections to "V". Now, I have no problem with people speaking up about the connection to "V" if they didn't like it, but I saw actions that went beyond requests.

I guess all of you didn't see the countless threads that poped up, temper tantrums, calls for people to sabotage the project, and calls to bury it!

PEOPLE WERE CALLING FOR PEOPLE TO BURY THREADS ABOUT A RON PAUL RELATED PROJECT!!!!

IT WAS INSANITY!

Now, those in charge of the project removed the references to "V" like good little lap dogs. It is PATHETIC in my opinion!

I hate to see what the NEXT project will be that is viciously ATTACKED!
You can continue promoting it that way. The videos are still on Youtube, so link people to it. Taking them off the main site doesn't mean they can't still be used. This idea was off the ground with the videos long before there was a site to sign up for this.

[Spirit of '76]

I guess all of you didn't see the countless threads that poped up, temper tantrums, calls for people to sabotage the project...


*Ahem*

You were saying?

[SouthernGuy15]

Get a lawyer, sue the site for lying to you. Is that you HUCK?

Is that you, NEOCON TRAITOR?!

The fact is that I'm still calling for people to DONATE the money to the Ron Paul campaign! They need to donate and keep on donating!

However, they don't need to support a project that has been manipulated by a mob of bullies that were openly calling for the project to be SABOTAGED and DESTROYED!

Donate, Donate Donate! Spread the word!

But don't support this project!

[Spirit of '76]

I guess all of you didn't see the countless threads that poped up, temper tantrums, calls for people to sabotage the project...




But don't support this project!


lol

[Ridiculous]

It's the PRINCIPLE of the matter! PRINCIPLES are more important than ANYTHING else! If you don't have your PRINCIPLES nothing else matters!



You talk about principals like Huckabee talks about honor....

[davidhperry]

Dudes - this is over now. Done. Donate on the 5th (as I will), donate before or donate after. Let's not have any whining or complaining about it.

[SouthernGuy15]

*Ahem*

You were saying?

I'm upset for a proper reason! What has happened is horrible!

Are we going to tolerate thugs who threatened to BURY THIS PROJECT on DIGG to manipulate this project so it fits in with their personal agenda and mindset?

Quite frankly, those who STARTED THIS PROJECT were the ones with full authority to control it. Now, a bunch of bullies have pushed them to removing the "V" references by going NUTS and threatening to SABOTAGE the project!

This is digusting!

V was a TRUE PATRIOT!

Ron Paul is a TRUE PATRIOT!

There is nothing wrong with showing a connection between the two!

[SouthernGuy15]

You talk about principals like Huckabee talks about honor....

Honor does not matter! Principle matters! It doesn't matter what people think of you, if they laugh at you, or spit on your face. Keeping your PRINCIPLES is what matters.

In this case I am not going to remain solid when a project in support of Ron Paul is manipulated by a bunch of people who were willing to sabotage it if they did not get their way!

[NinjaPirate]

I'm upset for a proper reason! What has happened is horrible!

Are we going to tolerate thugs who threatened to BURY THIS PROJECT on DIGG to manipulate this project so it fits in with their personal agenda and mindset?

Quite frankly, those who STARTED THIS PROJECT were the ones with full authority to control it. Now, a bunch of bullies have pushed them to removing the "V" references by going NUTS and threatening to SABOTAGE the project!

This is digusting!

V was a TRUE PATRIOT!

Ron Paul is a TRUE PATRIOT!

There is nothing wrong with showing a connection between the two!

Make as many V videos as you want referring to the 5th, and post them on Youtube.

[kylejack]

Site owner can do whatever he wants. Its his property. Regardless of the silly pressure that was placed on him, he had the ultimate say.

[tfelice]

I'm coming in late on this thread, but I did want to say that I am very pleased to hear this. I hope the event goes well.

[Ozwest]

Be respectful of people who feel a pledge has been broken. Do not gloat.

[Spirit of '76]

Are we going to tolerate thugs who threatened to BURY THIS PROJECT on DIGG to manipulate this project so it fits in with their personal agenda and mindset?

No, I denounce those people.

Just like I denounce the new crop of "thugs" demanding that we abandon this project because it doesn't fit in with their personal agenda and mindset.

I wasn't even signed up for the 5th before, because I had already given more than I can really afford and was nervous about pledging another 100 for the 5th, but now I'm going to go and sign up just to counteract the effect of the pissy teenagers throwing a temper tantrum because Swords decided to compromise for the peace and stability of the movement.

Thanks for helping to make up my mind.

[werdd]

Ron paul said on the adam curry show if people want to raise a lot of money on a certain date he doesnt see how any one could oppose this. He also said that the camp has no association with this but it sounds like a fine idea.

[NinjaPirate]

Ron paul said on the adam curry show if people want to raise a lot of money on a certain date he doesnt see how any one could oppose this. He also said that the camp has no association with this but it sounds like a fine idea.

Pics--I mean sound/video clip or it didn't happen.

[SouthernGuy15]

I oppose this project for ONE REASON!

Those who started this project were PRESSURED and MANIPULATED into making changes! They did NOT voluntarily make the changes but did so under COERCION by those who were threatening to sabotage the project!

If we let this stand what is going to happen in the future when a small group of people don't like a new project someone has started? They will realize they can get their way by yelling, screaming, and threatening any project they don't like!

I fully support those who start any project to control their project! But I don't support us sitting still while a project is coerced!

[werdd]

dailysourcecode.com within his 40 minute interview. october 24th edition of the adam curry show.

[Ridiculous]

Ron paul said on the adam curry show if people want to raise a lot of money on a certain date he doesnt see how any one could oppose this. He also said that the camp has no association with this but it sounds like a fine idea.

Of coarse he would encourage people to raise money on any date....

But he probably isn't to familiar with V for Vendetta. Was he specifically asked about his opinion on an association between him and the movie?

[davidhperry]

No gloating and no complaining please. Let's end this already.

[DrNoZone]

I oppose this project for ONE REASON!

Those who started this project were PRESSURED and MANIPULATED into making changes! They did NOT voluntarily make the changes but did so under COERCION by those who were threatening to sabotage the project!

If we let this stand what is going to happen in the future when a small group of people don't like a new project someone has started? They will realize they can get their way by yelling, screaming, and threatening any project they don't like!

I fully support those who start any project to control their project! But I don't support us sitting still while a project is coerced!

Oh, grow the fuck up! Nobody was pressured, manipulated, coerced, or thuggishly threatened in any way. God you're making me sick.

[Jojo]

We must spread the address HARDER!

:cool:

Jesse Benton (RP media director) mentioned it on the Alex Jones show yesterday. Didn't give a web address, but was talking enthusiastically about the Nov 5th fundraising effort and said people would be able to find it no problem.

[Spirit of '76]

I oppose this project for ONE REASON!

Those who started this project were PRESSURED and MANIPULATED into making changes! They did NOT voluntarily make the changes but did so under COERCION by those who were threatening to sabotage the project!

If we let this stand what is going to happen in the future when a small group of people don't like a new project someone has started? They will realize they can get their way by yelling, screaming, and threatening any project they don't like!

I fully support those who start any project to control their project! But I don't support us sitting still while a project is coerced!

So you're going to oppose those who wanted to sabotage the project by sabotaging the project.

That makes sense. :rolleyes:

[Duckman]

BRAVO to this decision. I think die-hard Ron Paul supporters like SouthernGuy have totally lost touch with the fact that we need REPUBLICAN VOTERS to vote for Ron Paul or the campaign is OVER. Anything that will scare off REPUBLICAN VOTERS, regardless of how much of a 'rongasm' it gives you, is a BAD IDEA.

Honestly, if this makes people decide to abandon the Nov. 5th effort I am happy to see it, since I think a big MSM story about huge donations on Nov 5th will be severely TAINTED by the V for Vendetta association. Instead, let's donate on a different day so that the MSM can't help but give us good coverage??? Why is that so hard???

Nov 5th will do more damage than the good of the donations. Instead of Nov 5th, please either just donate now or donate to a different Moneybomb (Nov 11 is a great one!)

Let's put this behind us.

[werdd]

Of coarse he would encourage people to raise money on any date....

But he probably isn't to familiar with V for Vendetta. Was he specifically asked about his opinion on an association between him and the movie?

It's not endorsed by the official campaign, so it's not of any importance. If people want to use the movie as a marketing ploy to raise alot of money on a certain day and make history, well then that's okay with me, and to take it out of context i beleive okay with Ron Paul based upon his interview today with adam curry.

[alien]

Ahh, the nastalgic feeling of apathy.

Towards the issue of the videos that is. I was planning on donating on the 5th all along regardless of the videos and raging posts. If the MSM wants to find something to smear the campaign with - they will. If not this then something else. I thing the whole thing was blown out of preportion. Once people hear the message, nothing else matters. It will override anything the media can do.

[G-khan]

Look I made V videos for this and I backed the creator of this project on my website goldismoney.info

I have deleted my videos and remove my backing of this project..

I want no part of it!

V was a hero like it or not and the creator of this sold out and I wont be a part of his project.

I am done discussing this project and it is time for me to move on..

[Ozwest]

Oh, grow the fuck up! Nobody was pressured, manipulated, coerced, or thuggishly threatened in any way. God you're making me sick.

Your comments are childish and immature. Congratulations, you have succeeded in being a total wanker.

[Spirit of '76]

I am done discussing this project and it is time for me to move on..

Fair enough. Thanks for your hard work supporting Ron, whether you choose to participate in this project or not.

[SouthernGuy15]

I am making absolutely crystal clear sense!

Those in charge of this project were attacked with countless threads smearing them, screaming at people not to support the project, and telling people to BURY STORIES ABOUT THEIR PROJECT!!!

That is COERCION!

It is obvious that the only reason those in charge of this project made the changes is because they were COERCED into doing so!

Otherwise, there would still be people ranting and raving, burying stories about the project, starting threads, etc.

It's DISGUSTING how these thugs behaved!

If NOTHING IS SAID then a PRECEDENT will be set that any project people don't like can be manipulated through COERCION and THREATS!

[DrNoZone]

Your comments are childish and immature. Congratulations, you have succeeded in being a total wanker.

Nice...I wonder if the moderators can add "total wanker" under my name.

[DrNoZone]

I am making absolutely crystal clear sense!

Those in charge of this project were attacked with countless threads smearing them, screaming at people not to support the project, and telling people to BURY STORIES ABOUT THEIR PROJECT!!!

That is COERCION!

It is obvious that the only reason those in charge of this project made the changes is because they were COERCED into doing so!

Otherwise, there would still be people ranting and raving, burying stories about the project, starting threads, etc.

It's DISGUSTING how these thugs behaved!

If NOTHING IS SAID then a PRECEDENT will be set that any project people don't like can be manipulated through COERCION and THREATS!

No, it is not coercion. They are free individuals using their accounts on forums, DIGG, and wherever else, to talk about something THEY disagree with. Coercion involves FORCE or the THREAT of force. Are you suggesting someone made death threats? Or maybe someone kidnapped the owner of the site, tortured him in Gitmo for his login information, and then when on the site and made the changes?

[NinjaPirate]

I oppose this project for ONE REASON!

Those who started this project were PRESSURED and MANIPULATED into making changes! They did NOT voluntarily make the changes but did so under COERCION by those who were threatening to sabotage the project!

If we let this stand what is going to happen in the future when a small group of people don't like a new project someone has started? They will realize they can get their way by yelling, screaming, and threatening any project they don't like!

I fully support those who start any project to control their project! But I don't support us sitting still while a project is coerced!

They weren't pressured. No one held a gun to their head. They found a common ground.

What do you mean by "threatening to sabotage the project?" I don't recall anyone saying that they were going to try to hack the site if they didn't take the vids down.

[SouthernGuy15]

Look I made V videos for this and I backed the creator of this project on my website goldismoney.info

I have deleted my videos and remove my backing of this project..

I want no part of it!

V was a hero like it or not and the creator of this sold out and I wont be a part of his project.

I am done discussing this project and it is time for me to move on..

Thank you G-Khan for backing out of this project!

The creators of this project did sell out and it's disgusting all around!

On one hand we have people willing coerce other Ron Paul supporters through attacks, threats of sabotage (buries on DIGG), and tons of SPAM!

On the other hand we have those in charge of the project that GAVE IN to this OBVIOUS BULLYING!

I'm disgusted all around.

I was very excited about this project last night! Today, I'm disgusted.

[Ozwest]

Nice...I wonder if the moderators can add "total wanker" under my name.

If the shoe fits...

[alien]

Oh, grow the fuck up! Nobody was pressured, manipulated, coerced, or thuggishly threatened in any way. God you're making me sick.


Remember the old saying, "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make any noise?" I agree with DrNoZone but it's over. Maybe everyone should ignore the one who is carrying on and eventually they will get tired of talking to themselves.

[DrNoZone]

I HIGHLY recommend that we all just ignore the person throwing a temper tantrum (hypocritically I might add). He isn't going to stop ranting unless we stop responding. And he's seriously one of the VERY few who even give a crap that the V references were removed. Everyone else seems to support it. So yeah, don't waste your time. This is my last post on this issue.

[Jojo]

We must spread the address HARDER!

:cool:

Jesse Benton (RP media director) mentioned it on the Alex Jones show yesterday. Didn't give a web address, but was talking enthusiastically about the Nov 5th fundraising effort and said people would be able to find it no problem.

[kherty]

I commend the owner of the site for the changes made. I had expressed my concerns about it yesterday and I'm glad it didn't fall on deaf ears.

Our job as Ron Paul supporters is to try and give him our assistance in recruiting new supporters.

In order for us to do this correctly, we need to know who our audience is. There are many people in this country that are active voters who are receptive to the message that was being presented.

However, the percentage of the voting public who will be (or have) viewed this video covers a much broader spectrum.

In order to appeal to the public or main stream media, we need to conduct this campaign carefully.

We need to be sure our message is always positive and inviting for new participants.

As far as the videos are concerned, they might not have been a problem, but the way that some of the participants on this forum are conducting themselves, I think you are doing more harm than good.

Let's put this behind us and focus on RON.

Thanks!

[SouthernGuy15]

They weren't pressured. No one held a gun to their head. They found a common ground.

What do you mean by "threatening to sabotage the project?" I don't recall anyone saying that they were going to try to hack the site if they didn't take the vids down.

People stated they had BURIED stories about it on DIGG and elsewhere and were URGING other people to do the same! Also, they were telling people not to support the project and were spamming this forum and elsewhere with smear attacks against the Nov. 5th project!

Obviously, those in charge of the project were COERCED into removing the "V" references so the project could continue!

If they had not removed the videos there would still be countless threads being posted, more people BURYING stories about the project, and more attacks! The project would not have been able to continue successfully.

I'm making this into a big deal because we CANNOT LET THIS PRECEDENT STAND!

[Spirit of '76]

Maybe everyone should ignore the one who is carrying on and eventually they will get tired of talking to themselves.

Best idea yet, though I'm sort of expecting him to start calling for people to bury stories on this project to protest those who called for burying stories on this project. ;)

[kahless]

I commend them for doing what is for the good of the campaign above their love for the V concept. This is great news for the campaign since it provides additional avenue for donations without any consequences.

[SouthernGuy15]

They were COERCED into removing V!

[kylejack]

They were COERCED into removing V!

If he came to the thread and told you he wasn't coerced, would you shut up?

[kahless]

They were COERCED into removing V!

What do you care about more, the campaign and getting Paul elected or your love for the V movie over everything else. Dude, get a grip.

[SouthernGuy15]

kahless,

Our PRINCIPLES are more important than anything else.

If we support changes made due to COERCION then we are no better than the neocons.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Please see my updated comments in the first post of the thread.

Thank you.

[ItsTime]

This message is hidden because SouthernGuy15 is on your ignore list.

[Cali4RonPaul]

This message is hidden because SouthernGuy15 is on your ignore list.

[SouthernGuy15]

Please see my updated comments in the first post of the thread.

Thank you.

Quite frankly, you caved into the individuals who were BURYING LINKS and TELLING OTHERS TO BURY LINKS to your project!

You knew that the project STARTED WITH V! It was connect with V from the start!

You caved into those individuals!

Quite frankly, when did ACTS OF PATRIOTISM become inappropriate content?

I think acts of PATRIOTISM is VERY family friendly!

[Brinck Slattery]

So he wasn't coerced, he's a coward? you're digging yourself deeper dude.

[SouthernGuy15]

What's so pathetic is those in charge of this project are too cowardly to even speak out against the people to attacked, slandered, and BURIED the project!

[werdd]

dude you are a trip its still going through

[Cali4RonPaul]

We need a moderator to delete the V debate threads as well.. since we are beating a dead horse and it really fractured us, we need to appear united in Dr. Paul's message.

[Spirit of '76]

UPDATE: I see some threads trying to keep this debate alive, mentions of selling out, yadda yadda.. I want to remind everyone that when the concerns about "V" first came up my reaction was that, "at this time these are the best videos we have but if someone wants to make some other videos I will gladly use them." So there was no bowing to pressure, no selling out or anything like that. The "V" movies are still out there for anyone who likes them so that is not lost.

I think at this point keeping the debate alive because you are now MAD that "V" is no longer on the page is selfish. The day is still November 5th and the content is more family friendly. What more can you want? It was constructive criticism and it was well taken and the site is improved. I think about 99% of us are happy now and donations are going to go UP!

Remember, this is about Ron Paul and about us taking our country back. Divide and conquer is a tactic, and I feel some are on these boards for this purpose only. Just ignore them, don't bother with the V threads or posts in threads where people are negative. It's a waste of time and I'll tell you the complaints now fall on deaf ears.

Thanks, Sword. Keep up the good work.

[SouthernGuy15]

If this thread is deleted then I know the Ron Paul revolution is dead because it will mean that the heart of the Revolution (this forum) is totally corrupt.

I want Ron Paul to WIN! We must all donate the maximum we can, but not on the 5th!

[kylejack]

If this thread is deleted then I know the Ron Paul revolution is dead because it will mean that the heart of the Revolution (this forum) is totally corrupt.

I want Ron Paul to WIN! We must all donate the maximum we can, but not on the 5th!

Perhaps YOU should be deleted.

[SouthernGuy15]

kylejack,

Nope, I have the right to post in this thread and respond to other people as much as anyone else.

You have the right to say I should be deleted, but I I have every right to continue posting.

This is a critical moment. It will determine if the future of this campaign in conflict or unity!

If November 5th is supported then it means it's PERFECTLY OK TO ATTACK, SMEAR, and BURY ANY PROJECT YOU DON'T LIKE!

[kylejack]

If November 5th is supported then it means it's PERFECTLY OK TO ATTACK, SMEAR, and BURY ANY PROJECT YOU DON'T LIKE!
You are currently attacking and smearing a project you don't like. I'm having a hard time seeing how the hypocrisy is lost on you.

[RPTXState]

If November 5th is supported then it means it's PERFECTLY OK TO ATTACK, SMEAR, and BURY ANY PROJECT YOU DON'T LIKE!

The creator of thisnovember5th.com had every right to resist the smearing and burying. It is HIS website, not yours or mine. I can think of no situation where they where personally attacked and physically threatened. They had EVERY right to change WHATEVER they wanted. If they wanted to make November 5th about flying bunnies voting for Ron Paul, they could have.

It was a compromise. If you cant accept that, please donate on the 4th or 6th. But don't claim that me and everyone who supports this compromise is a traitor to the rEVOLution.

[DJ RP]

we ARE allowed to attack other people's ideas!!!! That's what you're doing at the moment. And if we weren't allowed to do that what's to stop us urging everybody to donate on 15th in honor of Adolf Hitler!!!!!! ????

Free speech means people can vocally disagree with ideas, we can hope they do it politely but you can't force people to.

And as for BURYING. Dude are you serious? Digg.com is a site designed where popular ideas get dugg up and unpopular ones get dugg down. That's what SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

If more people agree it's a bad idea than those who think it's a good idea then they will get dugg down.

IT'S THE FREE MARKET.

Ron Paul speaks out against the establishment and we call him a hero.

People on these forums speak out against an idea they think will hurt Ron (right or wrong) and you go schitzophrenic.

Come on dude! We're supposed to be getting RP elected not worrying about cartoon characters.

[SouthernGuy15]

You don't bury and attack the projects of other supporters of Ron Paul!

Or do you want me to go and bury every story I see about Ron Paul from this point on if I don't like them?

[DJ RP]

You should definitely digg down articles about ron paul you don't think are helpful yes.

If you come across an article written by a ron paul fan saying.

"RON PAUL WILL GET RID OF ZIONIST SCUM"

You should digg it down.

The writer might well be sincere but his message is marginal and will hurt ron paul if it appears on digg's front page.

So we digg it down. that is the purpose of digg. Nobody's rights have been violated.

If you can't see your own hypocricy in ruining this project on multiple threads whilst telling other people they should never criticise ron paul projects then you are an idiot and are hurting this community.

[Cali4RonPaul]

SouthernGuy15 your behaviour is really disgusting, Ron Paul would be ashamed at the language you are using to get your message across and the big scene you are making now..

I dont care about V getting ashamed because he is a Cartoon Character, but YOU are really exposing the Ron Paul Movement in a negative light, Dr. Paul would not want us to be bickering in this manner.. Be mature and accept the decision of the Creator of the Nov5 donation day, before you add to the MSM stereotype that we are young males in our basements with too much time on our hands and are overly vocal and loud about our cause in a hostile way..

[SouthernGuy15]

SouthernGuy15 your behaviour is really disgusting, Ron Paul would be ashamed at the language you are using to get your message across and the big scene you are making now..

I dont care about V getting ashamed because he is a Cartoon Character, but YOU are really exposing the Ron Paul Movement in a negative light, Dr. Paul would not want us to be bickering in this manner.. Be mature and accept the decision of the Creator of the Nov5 donation day, before you add to the MSM stereotype that we are young males in our basements with too much time on our hands and are overly vocal and loud about our cause..

The creator of the campaign can do whatever he wants, but the fact of the matter is that a bunch of thugs who were bashing, attacking, and burying another supporters project (that had nothing to do with screaming zionist scum) MADE this happen!

I refuse to sit by and tolerate what they did.

I am still going to continue supporting Ron Paul! I am just not going to support the Nov. 5th project.

[SouthernGuy15]

By the way, I could care less what Ron Paul thinks of me.

I learned to stop caring what other people think of me a long time ago.

[kylejack]

By the way, I could care less what Ron Paul thinks of me.

I learned to stop caring what other people think of me a long time ago.
That's a good perspective for you to have, because you're really going to need it in this life you've designed for yourself.

[SouthernGuy15]

I'm a really nice guy and a lot of people like me. Certain other people don't like me. The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter. I'm just trying to support Ron Paul so that there will be a slim chance this nation won't go to hades in my lifetime. However, I will not betray my principles in order to support Ron Paul.

[Brinck Slattery]

instead of using the blanket term "thugs," get specific. Name names. And show some proof that you're not just blowing huge clouds of smoke out your ass. The burden of proof is on you, the accuser. So show some, or STFU.

[Cali4RonPaul]

I'm a really nice guy and a lot of people like me. Certain other people don't like me. The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter. I'm just trying to support Ron Paul so that there will be a slim chance this nation won't go to hades in my lifetime. However, I will not betray my principles in order to support Ron Paul.

Me me me. :rolleyes:

[SouthernGuy15]

I will not STFU and you can't do one thing to make me!

I don't want to go through the sludge. It's all there. Do the research and you will see what happened. I think 95% of us remember it well.

[merlin]

This thread demonstrates perfectly why I've never been able to participate in political activism. I thought that the whole point of the project was to demonstrate that Ron Paul's supporters could raise a huge amount of money within a 24-hour period. That goal was admirable. All the rest of the bickering about which videos to use on the web site is, imho, a tremendous waste of time and energy.

I agree with G-khan's right to donate his funds whenever he wants. If the program creator changed the program, the deal G-khan signed onto longer exists. But I think, too, that this entire brouhaha is petty and childish. Let us not mistake the appearance of the campaign for it's substance!

[Spirit of '76]

Folks, here's the solution to our peace of mind:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2364/picture15vh7.png

Let the guy rant and rave and try to sabotage what could be a great one-day fundraiser for Ron. If we all ignore him, his attempts at sabotaging Ron's success will have no effect.

Let's just ignore the nay-sayers and pull together for the win. I for one am done with SouthernTroll15(yearsoldemotionally).

[SouthernGuy15]

So all of you are going to ignore someone who has been supporting Ron Paul for a long while on this forum?

That's fine. Ignore me and you are exposing yourself as the traitor to Ron Paul.

[Brinck Slattery]

I'm the true Scotsman!

No, I'm the true Scotsman!

[SouthernGuy15]

It seems there are very few true supporters of freedom around here.

[Brinck Slattery]

I guess you didn't get the joke. moron.

[SouthernGuy15]

I'm not a moron. I'm a true patriot.

[kylejack]

I'm not a moron. I'm a true patriot.

Yeah, but you sure don't know anything about "no true scotsman".

[SouthernGuy15]

I am an American.

[kylejack]

I am an American.
Good, I support your freedom of speech no matter how silly you're being. Voltaire style, you know what I mean?

[SouthernGuy15]

I'm not silly.

I'm very serious.

I think it's absolutely horrible that so many people don't care that there were Ron Paul supporters trying to KILL the project of another group of Ron Paul supporters.

[Brinck Slattery]

yeah and now YOU are trying to kill the project. So get a grip and put down the PCP homey.

[Original_Intent]

TWO almost 20 page threads on this topic?? :confused:

DOUBLE DOUCHEBAGGERY, BATMAN! :rolleyes:

[ctblnpilot]

I'm a little late to this party, Thank God, it seems to me that the pissing contest going on here is a huge waste of energy and passion that otherwise could be going toward electing RP and it saddens me.

I don't know enough about the fracas to determine who was bullied or who sold out but having seen the film I'm actually kind of glad direct references to V and the videos were removed. The guy was blowing up buildings for kripes sake.

Why give the media and the ghoulianni types ammunition to use against the gentle Dr.?

I will still give on the 5th. Mainly because I like watching the totals spike up in real time and long for the publicity that will likely come afterward.

The people who are in the know about V will still know what is going on and the people who don't won't be able to be manipulated by the media attack dogs like Shill O'Liely.

[kaleidoscope eyes]

I'm a little late to this party, Thank God, it seems to me that the pissing contest going on here is a huge waste of energy and passion that otherwise could be going toward electing RP and it saddens me.

I don't know enough about the fracas to determine who was bullied or who sold out but having seen the film I'm actually kind of glad direct references to V and the videos were removed. The guy was blowing up buildings for kripes sake.

Why give the media and the ghoulianni types ammunition to use against the gentle Dr.?

I will still give on the 5th. Mainly because I like watching the totals spike up in real time and long for the publicity that will likely come afterward.

The people who are in the know about V will still know what is going on and the people who don't won't be able to be manipulated by the media attack dogs like Shill O'Liely.
couldn't agree more.

I'm new around here myself. I'd hate to think someone just visiting here for the first time would see the shenanigans as of late and be like "see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!" "I'm outta this bizarro world!" ya know? Especially when there are so many fantastic people with burning passion and creativity and super mad love for RP on here. In these times when most people think all politicians are all the same (craptastic), the energy here is incredible AND quite revolutionary, and has been quite an inspiration.
As i said on the other thread, let's please not get bogged down with trivialities, fighting like rabid dogs over a chew toy, when there's a big juicy steak right around the corner!
Keep supporting RP however you choose, that's the reason we love this guy right for the freedom of thought and being? Have some reason, keep your cool, do your thang,whatever, just don't cop out for lame reasons. He needs us.
Thank you, that is all. You guys are terrific! ;)

[kherty]

Are you old enough to vote?

The signature at the end of your posts is drawing attention to problem which we all should move on with:

""V" is ASHAMED of the Nov. 5th project!"

Give me a break, don't you have some slim jims to be handing out? :eek:

[fightfortruth]

I'm not silly.

I'm very serious.

I think it's absolutely horrible that so many people don't care that there were Ron Paul supporters trying to KILL the project of another group of Ron Paul supporters.

This guy has already convinced some Ron Paul supporters not to donate on the
5th.

This was supposed to be about getting Ron Paul $10 million in one day and trying to make history. The media would not be able to ignore him if he got $10 million in one day. Ron Paul would be able to talk about it when he goes on shows about how he raised $10 million in a day. Thats what this is supposed to be about.


Just look at his thread and see what he has been saying and encouraging people to do.

He is against this and is trying to get everyone against this.

I personally liked the V For Vendetta stuff but I am not about to tell a bunch of people not to donate on the 5th and tell people that have already pledged to wealch on their pledge.

That is what he has been doing on his thread.

[Original_Intent]

Founding Father #1: " Let's not have stars on the flag, it is too hard to make good stars! Let's have circles instead!'''

Other Founding Fathers: "Yeah! Good point!"

All Founding Fathers "We pledge our lives, liberty, and our Sacred Honor to fight for Liberty!"

Betsy Ross: "I can make really good stars! See?" (demonstrates)

Founding Father #2: "Great! Let's go back to stars! All in favor?"

(Majority raise their hands)

Founding Fathers # 1, 3, and 14: "WTF! We decided NO STARS! I want out of my pledge!"

:rolleyes:

[rs3515]

As a reminder to everyone, use the "report post" link in the upper right corner of any forum post you feel is problematic (harassment, fighting or rude in nature).

This is an effective way for the moderators to be able to follow what's happening and take corrective action, otherwise it is hard for them to read through thousands of posts per day.

[G-khan]

Well I just unsubscribed to their email and I guess that take me out of the donor pledge database..