Anyone On The West Coast Plan On Taking a Vacation for a Week or Two?

[AGRP]

Am I being paranoid?

I'm in the NW and everyone is saying this would be ground zero :(

Would it be worth it to take a little hiatus just to be safe?

[Orgoonian]

Not me.
I'm in central Oregon surrounded by mountains.

[Vessol]

Eh, I'm not sure. I have my doubts that anything beyond negligible would get here. However, those saying this are from the government and media, thus it's natural to be be cautious of what they say.

[Orgoonian]

Besides,it is paradise here!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx8yeTCj_6s

[JK/SEA]

you can run, but you can't hide.

i'm east of everett.

buy more duct tape

watch godzilla movies

and don't get any on you.

goodluck...

[UtahApocalypse]

If anything to escape the public panic. I doubt that we will see hazardous levels but we probably will see a public panic to some degree

[Maximus]

Don't panic, someone mentioned iodine pills or something?

Whatever if it comes over it comes over, no use stressing about it.

[anaconda]

Not me.
I'm in central Oregon surrounded by mountains.

I love Oregon.

[Kludge]

Don't panic, someone mentioned iodine pills or something?

Whatever if it comes over it comes over, no use stressing about it.

ya, f'real. If your face ends up looking like this, just think of the story you'll be able to tell people:
http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.aasc.ucla.edu/cab/imgContent/200706140009.jpg&sa=X&ei=oRN_TaTYKJCWtwem_5jeCA&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEqeXxsVV77LQlPjY9lYNDzAvt7zw

[Danke]

Dig a hole and don't come out for a couple of weeks.

[Jandrsn21]

Iodine Prophylaxis Guide (http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/pub_meet/Iodine_Prophylaxis_guide.pdf) It's the least you could do.

[Jandrsn21]

Am I being paranoid?

I'm in the NW and everyone is saying this would be ground zero :(

Would it be worth it to take a little hiatus just to be safe?

Showing some fear is wise and often a very powerful motivator!

Preparing for this could cost you very little, however, not preparing could cost you, well, your life!

It's a no brainer dude!

[Jandrsn21]

Dig a hole and don't come out for a couple of weeks.


Lead, steel, concrete, and earth block radioactive material very well. The less material will block more in that order.

[specialK]

A professor who lived 5 minutes away from where I am now was kind enough to allow me to visit his nuclear fallout shelter. At the time, I thought he was whacked - now, not so much. It's pretty amazing. It's 45 feet under the ground and 4 floors. I wouldn't mind having it in my back yard.

http://www.mypnw.us/stuff/Interesting/Interesting.nukehome.aspx

[youngbuck]

Japan, Radiation Fallout and Iodine Recommendations


http://drdavidbrownstein.blogspot.com/

[CaseyJones]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283410-iOSAT-Potassium-Iodide-%28KI%29-Tablets-Anbex&highlight=iodine

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?283371-Useful-info-on-surviving-radioactive-fallout&highlight=iodine

[eric_cartman]

eat some kelp... it's supposed to help against radiation

[squarepusher]

A professor who lived 5 minutes away from where I am now was kind enough to allow me to visit his nuclear fallout shelter. At the time, I thought he was whacked - now, not so much. It's pretty amazing. It's 45 feet under the ground and 4 floors. I wouldn't mind having it in my back yard.

http://www.mypnw.us/stuff/Interesting/Interesting.nukehome.aspx
the builder would be a god on this forum

[speciallyblend]

smoke or eat cannabis sativa;) that way if shit hits the fan you might not feel all the pain:) sarcasm;)

[tekkierich]

A friend that lives in San Fran who doesn't own a car has one reserved for next week for possible bug out reasons. He reasons that being on the other side of the Rockies might be a good idea.
To me, the difference of 5000 miles or 6000 miles wouldn't make much difference.

[amy31416]

http://www.amazon.com/Images-Digital-Geiger-Counter/dp/B000796XRS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1300195521&sr=8-2

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ngoeTJsBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[tangent4ronpaul]

A professor who lived 5 minutes away from where I am now was kind enough to allow me to visit his nuclear fallout shelter. At the time, I thought he was whacked - now, not so much. It's pretty amazing. It's 45 feet under the ground and 4 floors. I wouldn't mind having it in my back yard.

http://www.mypnw.us/stuff/Interesting/Interesting.nukehome.aspx

some places that sell, design or have equipment for shelters:

http://www.alpinesurvival.com/nuclear_bomb_shelters.html
http://www.radshelters4u.com/mini-blast-shelter.htm
http://www.americanbombshelter.com/
http://www.northwestsheltersystems.com/faq.php
http://www.hardenedstructures.com/index.html
http://store.prepared.pro/sheltershome.aspx <== this place carries some great equipment!
http://www.military-info.com/BOOK/BOOK.HTM

-t

[wizardwatson]

This book (free online version) tells you how to make a homemade ion chamber (measures gamma radiation) using common household supplies.

http://www.oism.org/nwss/

I own a hard copy of this book. Pretty much everything you need to know about surviving nuclear related accidents (as well as general survival info) or nuclear war is in this book.

Also, some great blueprints for making blast/radiation shelters when you have little time to do it in.

[CaliforniaMom]

Perhaps now would be a good time to go visit my dad in Colorado...

[tangent4ronpaul]

This book (free online version) tells you how to make a homemade ion chamber (measures gamma radiation) using common household supplies.

http://www.oism.org/nwss/

I own a hard copy of this book. Pretty much everything you need to know about surviving nuclear related accidents (as well as general survival info) or nuclear war is in this book.

Also, some great blueprints for making blast/radiation shelters when you have little time to do it in.

Pay attention to which version you have. The design for the air filter completely changed from the old version, as an example.

It's also considered an underground camping bible as it tells you how to make tons of things from junk.

-t

[Zippyjuan]

Given the huge distance between Japan and the US coast there is an incredibly small chance of any significant radiation reaching the US- even if one of the reactors blew up. Tokyo to San Francisco is about 5,000 miles in a straight line and if any radiation follows the air currents, that distance is even greater. Consider the distanced that radiation traveled after the Chenobyl accident:
http://users.owt.com/smsrpm/Chernobyl/glbrad.html
http://users.owt.com/smsrpm/Chernobyl/Chernobyl4a.GIF

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/distance_from_japan_is_good_sa.html

Q: What if emergency crews are unable to prevent a catastrophic meltdown at the reactor?

A: Even then, it's questionable whether dangerous levels of radiation would reach the West Coast because of the long distance and dilution that takes place in the atmosphere, said Kathryn Higley, a professor and head of the department of nuclear engineering and radiation health physics at Oregon State University. After the Chernobyl nuclear power disaster in 1986, RadNet stations in Oregon and Washington recorded an uptick in radioactive iodine-131 carried from Ukraine by high-altitude winds but not enough to pose a health risk, Leon said.

[sailingaway]

Chernobyl was a lot closer, more radiation escaped, and it hadn't gone over the ocean much before it came here (which we were told at the time was a major factor). People were told to paint a square inch of flesh over their thyroid with real iodine to avert risk of thyroid cancer 'just in case'. Nothing happened.

I'm not worried.

[dannno]

http://www.amazon.com/Images-Digital-Geiger-Counter/dp/B000796XRS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1300195521&sr=8-2

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ngoeTJsBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

$400?! Really?!

You'd think they would be about the price of a smoke detector by now..

[Lucille]

Japan Update: It’s Much Worse than it Looks (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/japan-update-it%E2%80%99s-much-worse-it-looks)


It looks like we are seeing the first multiple partial nuclear melt downs in history. But a professor at nearby UC Berkeley tells me this is more of repeat of Three Mile Island, where half the fuel rods melted, than Chernobyl, where they all did. Small amounts of low radiation cesium and iodine have already been released, which should be measurable on American roof tops in about ten days.


This means that the prevailing winds are always blowing from the south or the west. This is good news for us in Tokyo as the nuclear fallout will head north or out over the Pacific ocean.
[...]
It is also bad news for Alaska, Canada and the western United States as the prevailing winds and Jet Streams go from a westerly direction - from Asia towards the Americas (http://modernmarketingjapan.blogspot.com/2011/03/life-in-tokyo-goes-on.html). If you've ever flown in a jet from the USA to Japan and back, you'll know this is true. It takes over 11 hours from Los Angeles to Tokyo, but about 9 hours the other way.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://www.amazon.com/Images-Digital-Geiger-Counter/dp/B000796XRS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1300195521&sr=8-2

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ngoeTJsBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

SWEET uber-expensive bookend! - can you say EMP?

Seems like it has a limited potential, while similar analog 60's era devices that are mega cheaper would survive....

-t

[Zippyjuan]

Japan Update: It’s Much Worse than it Looks (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/japan-update-it%E2%80%99s-much-worse-it-looks)

If you have ever flown from the USA to Japan you were probably exposed to more radiation than you will on the West Coast from this series of disasters.

By the way, the "Much Worse Than It Looks" headline refers to the economy- not the radiation risk according to the article if you follow the link.

I just got off the phone with several frightened, somewhat dazed survivors of the Japanese earthquake who work in the financial markets, and I thought it important to immediately pass on what they said. Some were clearly terrified.

Japan’s economic outlook now appears far more dire than I anticipated only a day ago.


The reference to Three Mile Island being that it is likely less severe than Chenobyl.

[sailingaway]

I don't get this. Are they suggesting this is worse than the radiation at Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Because the winds blew the same direction back then as they do now.

[Lucille]

If you have ever flown from the USA to Japan you were probably exposed to more radiation than you will on the West Coast from this series of disasters.

By the way, the "Much Worse Than It Looks" headline refers to the economy- not the radiation risk according to the article if you follow the link.


The reference to Three Mile Island being that it is likely less severe than Chenobyl.

Yes, I know. Thanks.


Scientists say there are serious dangers but little risk of a catastrophe similar to the 1986 blast in Chernobyl (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366308/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Meltdown-3rd-reactor-blast-hits-nuclear-plant.html#ixzz1GgagtBhA), where the reactor did not have a containment shell. Some said the length of time since the crisis began showed the chemical reactions inside the reactor were not moving quickly toward a complete meltdown.


I've been deluged with questions from readers--especially in Alaska and Hawaii, about the risk of radioactive fallout from Japan. First, I must mention that the trans-Pacific fallout map purported to be from Australian authorities now circulating is a fraud. I don't think it is likely that any significant radiation would make it to Hawaii, Alaska or the west coast of CONUS, even if there are multiple melt-downs in Japan (http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/03/notes_from_jwr4.html).

WARNING: Fear-Mongering And Health (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182185)


But let's assume that the reactor did indeed blow its top and all the containment measures failed. Even so, the radiation reaching the West Coast would not reach the sort of levels that comprise an imminent risk to health. In Japan, especially parts of Japan that happened to be downwind of the plant when it happened, yes. There you'd simply be nuts not to take Potassium Iodide to block your thyroid even though the acute exposure risk would be quite material - and impossible to block successfully (except by sheltering away from it until it dissipated to a reasonably-safe level.)

But here?

No way.

If someone can show me a credible atmospheric dissipation model that brings any material dose of radioactive iodine across the Pacific and into the West Coast I'm all ears. Thus much I can tell you with certainty though - there's no way we're going to take 750 rads of exposure over a short period of time in the United States.

Nevertheless...


There have been reports from Japan's nuclear agency that radioactive cesium and iodine were detected outside of the facility, which can only happen if the core has been exposed somehow. Perhaps that's all under control now, but the evidence for very high temperatures, the explosion of the containment building, a 12-mile evacuation zone, and the presence of cesium and iodine all indicate that perhaps the complete situation is not being shared with the public.

If you live in Japan, you should be heading well upwind of this facility and have potassium iodide pills on hand. I would personally be reading the wind forecasts and assuring that I was upwind.

If you live on the west coast of the US, you should know exactly where your potassium iodide pills are (http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/japans-evolving-nuclear-accident/54345) and have a multi-week supply of them on hand, but this is always true.

There's no word yet on the other three reactors, but let us hope they can be fully and safely shut down and contained.

What we do around here is to prepare ourselves prudently and responsibly for an uncertain future. Nobody could have foreseen the timing and severity of the Japan earthquake, because that's the nature of complex systems, but we can choose to either become minimally prepared or not.

Most choose 'not.'

[amy31416]

SWEET uber-expensive bookend! - can you say EMP?

Seems like it has a limited potential, while similar analog 60's era devices that are mega cheaper would survive....

-t

So post an example of what you think will work. It seems that you know just about everything on this topic....we're all just here to take notes.

[Danke]

So post an example of what you think will work.

Send Kludge outside and see if his hair starts to fall out.

[tangent4ronpaul]

So post an example of what you think will work. It seems that you know just about everything on this topic....we're all just here to take notes.

Nah - I know a good deal about some areas and nothing about others. Try this:

http://www.radmeters4u.com/

Digital electronics fry in the presence of strong EMP - that I know....

-t

[amy31416]

Send Kludge outside and see if his hair starts to fall out.

As always, you have the best ideas...arigato!

[puppetmaster]

Chernobyl was a lot closer, more radiation escaped, and it hadn't gone over the ocean much before it came here (which we were told at the time was a major factor). People were told to paint a square inch of flesh over their thyroid with real iodine to avert risk of thyroid cancer 'just in case'. Nothing happened.

I'm not worried.

My wife was born and raised in Poland......Stuff did happen, and continues to happen. It is just not a news story so you don't know about it. Cancer rates are much higher for many in Poland that were exposed.

[surf]

should i feel bad hoping for a southerly shift in the jetstream?

[Brian4Liberty]

I don't get this. Are they suggesting this is worse than the radiation at Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Because the winds blew the same direction back then as they do now.

Apparently with an intentional and successful nuclear explosion, most of the radioactive material is consumed in the reaction. Not healthy at all near ground zero, but it doesn't spread as much radiation as other incidents, such as a fire sending radioactive material into the air.

[Acala]

SWEET uber-expensive bookend! - can you say EMP?

Seems like it has a limited potential, while similar analog 60's era devices that are mega cheaper would survive....

-t

Just because it is analog doesn't mean it will survive EMP. EMP doesn't care about analog or digital. It cares about making circuits. Any solid state device, digital or analog, is vulnerable to EMP. You need vacuum tube technology.

[tangent4ronpaul]

True - critical electronics on subs are tubes. Still, analog has a lot better chance of survival.

[Acala]

Given the huge distance between Japan and the US coast there is an incredibly small chance of any significant radiation reaching the US- even if one of the reactors blew up.

When you say "incredibly small chance" do you mean smaller than the chance of both a 9.0 earthquake and massive tsunami hitting a nuclear power plant within an hour?

(Just messing with you, Bro!:D)

[kahless]

My wife was born and raised in Poland......Stuff did happen, and continues to happen. It is just not a news story so you don't know about it. Cancer rates are much higher for many in Poland that were exposed.

Exactly. People over in ronpaulforums are usually rightfully skeptical of anything coming from the government, politicians and the MSM. What surprises me is that when it comes to the corporate nuclear power industry I am surprised to see some here going the opposite direction as if this industry is beyond corruption and deception with a complicit government. I see it just like everything else in this world.

[Acala]

True - critical electronics on subs are tubes. Still, analog has a lot better chance of survival.

So at least my amp and preamp would survive. But maybe nothing to feed a signal to it with. Better put a Farady cage around my turntable.

[Danke]

So at least my amp and preamp would survive. But maybe nothing to feed a signal to it with. Better put a Farady cage around my turntable.

What's a "turntable?"

[tangent4ronpaul]

What's a "turntable?"

A CD player on steroids

[Acala]

What's a "turntable?"

a CD player that doesn't clip the signal for the convenience of the recording industry.

In my case it would be this:

http://www.needledoctor.com/Music-Hall-Turntable-MMF-7-1

[Danke]

a CD player that doesn't clip the signal for the convenience of the recording industry.

Oh brother...:rolleyes: (you sound like my brother...:D:p)

[Acala]

Oh brother...:rolleyes: (you sound like my brother...:D:p)

Well, at least you didn't say "what about surface noise?" Then I would have cried. I don't mind sounding like your brother - unless he's a dooooooosh.

[Danke]

Well, at least you didn't say "what about surface noise?" Then I would have cried. I don't mind sounding like your brother - unless he's a dooooooosh.

Not only is he a dooooooosh, he is a lefty dooooooosh! :p

[Kludge]

If Danke, Acala, and Anti-Fed got together, who would have the heartiest belly laugh?

[puppetmaster]

a CD player that doesn't clip the signal for the convenience of the recording industry.

In my case it would be this:

http://www.needledoctor.com/Music-Hall-Turntable-MMF-7-1

http://www.audiocontrol.com/t34/918/247234/Unassigned/The-Bass-Bandit.html


ahh these work great!

[amy31416]

If Danke, Acala, and Anti-Fed got together, who would have the heartiest belly laugh?

That'd be such a manly-man-fest, that it'd be gay. :p

[axiomata]

No, but I have plans to vacation to the west coast next week. Hmm...

[Acala]

That'd be such a manly-man-fest, that it'd be gay. :p

Lol. No yucky girls allowed! Not even novelty girls!

[amy31416]

Lol. No yucky girls allowed! Not even novelty girls!

No worries, Bluto. I'm have other plans. :)

[Acala]

No worries, Bluto. I'm have other plans. :)

Ha! Sour grapes!

[tangent4ronpaul]

No, but I have plans to vacation to the west coast next week. Hmm...

Bring some SPF 10,000 Sun Screen :D