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FrankRep
03-11-2011, 03:52 PM
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Man Arrested in Massachusetts Suspected of being OKC "John Doe 2" (http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/6669-man-arrested-in-massachusetts-suspected-of-being-okc-qjohn-doe-2q)


Joe Wolverton, II | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
11 March 2011


There are credible indications that a man arrested earlier this week in Quincy, Massachusetts is the infamous “John Doe No. 2” named in the investigation following the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in 1995.

Alert readers of the Patriot Ledger (http://www.patriotledger.com/highlight/x13267366/Does-the-Oklahoma-City-bombing-need-a-fresh-look#axzz1GKPTEV8U), a local newspaper, recognized that the man named in the arrest rundown had the same name as a man who figured prominently in the FBI investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing and a book on the subject written in 2004, Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595552367/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1595552367).

Upon being apprised of the apparent coincidence, the author of the book, Jayna Davis, called the Quincy police department to ask about a very identifiable mark on the Hussain al-Hussaini once a central part of the bombing investigation.

Davis asked the police if the Hussain Al-Hussaini the arrested had a tattoo of an anchor with a snake wrapped around it. To their surprise, he did.

“His age, his name, the picture, the mug shot – that’s him,” Davis told The Patriot Ledger via telephone after speaking with police. Davis claims that the anchor-and-snake tattoo was common among members of a branch of the Iraqi army serving under Saddam Hussein.

An FBI spokesman in Boston, Greg Comcowich, said Thursday night that a man named Hussain Al-Hussaini was “thoroughly investigated” in connection with the Oklahoma City bombing and “was found to not have any role whatsoever in the attack on the Murrah Federal Building in 1995.”

Comcowich said the Hussain Al-Hussaini the FBI investigated had been seen with bomber Timothy McVeigh before the April 19, 1995, bombing, which killed 168 people.

“The investigation was closed and the FBI has no further interest in that individual,” he said.

Comcowich said he could not confirm whether the Hussain Al-Hussaini arrested in Quincy was the same Hussain Al-Hussaini investigated after the Murrah Building bombing.

Despite figuring very prominently in early news reports filed immediately after the attack, Al-Hussaini was never questioned by the FBI and was never charged in connection with the bombing.

Timothy McVeigh was convicted of setting and detonating the bomb and was subsequently executed for for that crime. McVeigh’s convicted co-conspirator Terry Nichols is spending his life in prison for his role in the planning and perpetration of the attack.

Curiously, the Al-Hussaini investigated as being involved in the bombing sued Ms. Davis, a former television reporter, and Oklahoma City TV station KFOR for a story that he was the suspect dubbed “John Doe 2” by investigators. Al-Hussaini’s lawyer at the time claimed he was so identified because he was an Arab.

Al-Hussaini claimed defamation, invasion of privacy and emotional distress. The defendants’ motion for summary judgment was granted by the trail court and the case was dismissed. At Al-Hussaini’s appeal of the appellate court upheld the lower court’s decision.

The Quincy Hussain Al-Hussaini is 45 years-old and was arrested and charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. The police report alleges that he cut another homeless man’s face with a beer bottle.

Police Detective James Lencki identifiedAl-Hussaini and arrested him after his description was broadcast.

Al-Hussaini was arraigned in Quincy District Court and is currently being detained at the county jail in on an outstanding probation matter, said a spokesman for Norfolk County District Attorney Michael Morrissey.

The Al-Hussaini arrested in Quincy has a criminal record. He was arrested in 2007 on a narcotics charge and in 2009 for open and gross lewdness, prosecution officials said.

Upon being questioned, Al-Hussaini told police he was from Iraq.


SOURCE:
http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/6669-man-arrested-in-massachusetts-suspected-of-being-okc-qjohn-doe-2q

Johnnybags
03-11-2011, 04:35 PM
Doh!, the city of Presidents where I was born? Its now a melting pot of drug addicts and terrorists?

BuddyRey
03-11-2011, 05:03 PM
The feds will probably pay somebody to cap him before he tells what he knows.

dannno
03-11-2011, 05:17 PM
So is he the one who planted the other bombs in the building, or was that the Feds? Or was this Muslim dude a fed?

Zippyjuan
03-11-2011, 05:46 PM
McVeigh said there wasn't anybody else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

Although the defense teams in both McVeigh's and Nichols trials suggested that others were involved, Judge Steven W. Taylor found no credible, relevant, or legally admissible evidence, of anyone other than McVeigh and Nichols having directly participated in the bombing.[148] When McVeigh was asked if there were other conspirators in the bombing, he replied: "Because the truth is, I blew up the Murrah Building, and isn't it kind of scary that one man could wreak this kind of hell?"[172] On the morning of McVeigh's execution a letter was released in which he had written "For those die-hard conspiracy theorists who will refuse to believe this, I turn the tables and say: Show me where I needed anyone else. Financing? Logistics? Specialized tech skills? Brainpower? Strategy? ... Show me where I needed a dark, mysterious 'Mr. X'!"[173]



The only source on Hussain al-Hussaini being possibly involved in Oklahoma City seems to be the author of the book- Miss Davis. Anybody got anything else?

Was the "third man" Iraqi connection just to try to pump up more support for the Iraq war?

dannno
03-11-2011, 06:06 PM
McVeigh said there wasn't anybody else.


Did he know about the bombs found in the building?

doodle
03-11-2011, 06:21 PM
Always be cautious when believing a book on CNN, Drudge or other neocon sources.

This book was CNN's answer to those questioning official reporting on 9/11 culprits and other conspiracy theories when they presented neocon Miniter's book. I don't believe in 9/11 conspiracy theory but after seeing this book pushed as defense against those on CNN, I'm almost tempted to be more open minded about critics claims:


Disinformation : 22 Media Myths That Undermine the War on Terror [Hardcover]
Richard Miniter

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/411ETZ21D1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

From the Inside Flap
You’ve been fooled. If you think...

— Al Qaeda terrorists are likely to cross the Mexican border

— Suitcase nuclear weapons are a real threat

— There was no link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein (and no WMD in Iraq)

— Why Iraq is not "another Vietnam"

http://www.amazon.com/Disinformation-Media-Myths-Undermine-Terror/dp/0895260069


I googled to sse if Jayna and Miniter were cousins, they are not but she did claim 7 "dancing" arabs near OKC building and a "credible" connection between Saddam's Republican Guards, Osama and OKC bombing:


If you want to read more about the connection between 9-11, the Oklahoma City Bombing, Saddam, Osama and all the rest of those nutsacks, Jayna Davis' The Third Terrorist is a good place to start. When I originally wrote this article I directed you to her website. Now I can direct you to her book. It won't answer all your questions, but it will make you informed and probably make you very angry-not at just the terrorists, but at our government for covering their own ass and not leveling with us.
http://thebeefboy.com/archives/feature/iraqwar.htm

This conspiracy theory is hotter than others, Fox used to push this years ago. Have never heard of any OKC Truther movement, have there been any opinion polls done like are done on 9/11 theory? It is interesting that has been very little talk of this in media or polling on it compared to theories about 9/11 being Israeli or inside job ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_opinion_polls).

FrankRep
03-11-2011, 06:31 PM
OKC Bombing: Precursor to 9-11?:
Evidence links the OKC bombing to Middle Eastern terrorists, and the failure of officials to examine this evidence in 1995 may have set the stage for the September 11th attacks. (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=82394278)


The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Jan 28, 2002


The Black Tuesday terror attacks on America have prompted some journalists to take a look at the abundant evidence of Middle Eastern terrorist involvement in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and the possible connection of that event to the more recent 9-11 attacks. A recent example is Insight magazine. A December 3rd article by Kelly Patricia O'Meara reports that Timothy McVeigh's convicted co-conspirator Terry Nichols "reportedly attended a meeting in the early 1990s on the predominantly Muslim island of Mindanao, a hotbed of fundamentalist activities, at which Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah were present. The themes of the meeting were 'bombing activities, providing firearms and ammunition, training in making and handling bombs.' Yousef was the mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing in 1993; Murad and Shah were convicted in a 1996 conspiracy to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners."

O'Meara interviewed Iraq expert Dr. Laurie Mylroie, author of the newly released book, The War Against America: Saddam Hussein and The World Trade Center Attacks. A consultant to the McVeigh defense team, Mylroie told Insight that "the connection of Terry Nichols, the Philippines and Ramzi Yousef is a very important point that neither the FBI nor the press pursued." Mylroie added, "I doubt that Nichols has ever been asked about his connections to Yousef because the government didn't want to know. It wanted to say, 'Here are the perpetrators; we arrested them and we brought them to justice. Case closed.'"

Dr. Mylroie's book marshals convincing evidence that Ramzi Yousef was acting as an agent for Saddam Hussein. The foreword to her book was penned by former CIA Director R. James Woolsey two weeks after the September 11th attacks. In that piece and other articles since Black Tuesday, Woolsey has expressed his support for her thesis and stated his belief that Hussein was behind both the 1993 and the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center Towers. He scorches the Clinton administration (under which he served) for an unwillingness to look at the evidence of state sponsorship of these acts of terrorism.

Familiar Ground

All of this is familiar ground to regular readers of this magazine. For nearly seven years THE NEW AMERICAN has been publishing stories concerning evidence pointing directly toward Iraqi involvement with McVeigh and Nichols in the bombing (see here (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/)). In "A Tale of Intrigue (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1995/vo11no26/vo11no26_okc.htm)," in our December 25, 1995 issue, for instance, we reported on the evidence pointing toward a possible connection between Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines. It is a theme we have returned to many times, as additional supporting evidence has developed.

In our October 16, 1995 issue ("Startling OKC Developments (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1995/vo11no21/vo11no21_okc_developments.htm)"), we reported on the series of stories by Jayna Davis, an investigative reporter for the Oklahoma City NBC affiliate, KFOR-TV. Mrs. Davis had interviewed eyewitnesses who had seen individuals identified as being of Middle Eastern extraction speeding away from the Murrah Federal Building in a pickup truck immediately before the blast. Her investigative reports pointed to at least one Iraqi "refugee," a former soldier in Saddam Hussein's army, who was living in Oklahoma City. He had come to the U.S. under a controversial Clinton program that had brought several thousand Iraqis here for resettlement--without screening and security checks to weed out Saddam's agents posing as refugees. Mrs. Davis also located credible witnesses who placed this Iraqi in the company of Timothy McVeigh in the days prior to the bombing.

KFOR aired several stories with video footage of the Iraqi bombing "suspect," but digitally blurred his face and did not identify him by name. They identified him only as a "possible John Doe No. 2," presented the considerable evidence pointing to him as a prime suspect, and asked why federal authorities were completely uninterested in questioning him or looking at the evidence. The Iraqi suspect, Hussain AI-Hussaini, identified himself publicly when he launched a defamation lawsuit against Davis and KFOR.

Rather than looking objectively at Jayna Davis' excellent research, virtually all of the Oklahoma City and national media adopted the Bill Clinton-Janet Reno thesis that the OKC bombing was a domestic "right-wing" attack, and rejected out of hand any evidence of foreign ties to the bombing. A careful review of Davis' extensive evidence and our own parallel investigation quickly convinced this writer that Davis was on solid ground.

O'Meara's Insight item singles out as a prime co-conspirator suspect an individual whom this magazine has reported on extensively. O'Meara points directly at a notorious leader of the Ku Klux Klan and White Aryan Resistance, Dennis Mahon, who, she says, was "long suspected of being a player in the conspiracy to bomb the Murrah building." The story notes - as we have reported several times in the past -- that "the Iraqi government has given Dennis Mahon thousands of dollars over the past six years, and Mahon has been banned from entering Canada and the United Kingdom and is classified by Interpol as an international terrorist." "The FBI did not bother to interview Mahon in connection to the Oklahoma City bombing," notes O'Meara. That is true; while the Clinton/Reno Justice Department and FBI bragged about the thousands of agents involved in the OKC investigation and the tens of thousands of interviews they conducted, the government never explained why obvious suspects like Mahon and Al Hussaini were never questioned.

New Evidence

Last October, Paul Bedard, a writer for U.S. News & World Report, dropped a potential bombshell when he reported that top Pentagon officials believe that Timothy McVeigh was an Iraqi agent and claimed that McVeigh was in possession of Iraqi telephone numbers. In a short item entitled "McVeigh's ghost (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/554827/posts)" that appeared in Bedard's Washington Whispers column on October 29th, U.S. News reported:

Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent. The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven't we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a coverup.

Mr. Bedard subsequently appeared on Fox TV's Fox and Friends show, where he stated that McVeigh "had information about Iraq which has led some officials to think that he was an Iraqi agent and maybe was doing Saddam Hussein's business in Oklahoma City." Mr. Bedard's reports were the first ever to allege that Timothy McVeigh possessed Iraqi telephone numbers. If true, this would me that highly significant information had been covered up; nothing of this sort came out during the McVeigh or Nichols trials.

On September 13th, two days after the 9-11 attacks on New York an Washington, D.C., listeners to WRRK in Pittsburgh, Pa., were stunned to hear Chicago attorney David Schippers state that he had attempted to warn Attorney General John Ashcroft and other federal officials about the catastrophic attack weeks before it occurred. Schippers, the author of Sellout: The Inside Story of President Clinton's Impeachment, gained international fame as the chief investigative counsel for the Judiciary Committee in the House of Representatives' successful impeachment of resident Bill Clinton. According to Mr. chippers, he had received information from intelligence sources, including FBI agent , that a massive terrorist attack was being planned for lower Manhattan (where the World Trade Center was located). Schippers said that he began trying to get this information to Ashcroft six weeks before the Black Tuesday attacks.

Currently representing Jayna Davis, Schippers had attempted eve earlier to get her information concerning e OKC-Iraq connection to the attorney general. In both cases, he said, he had been stymied by lower-level Department of Justice officials who would not give him access to Mr. Ashcroft or any of his top lieutenants. Mr. Schippers repeated these charges in several other radio and print interviews.

On March 20, 2001, Fox TV's Bill O'Reilly interviewed Jayna Davis, providing the first major national coverage of her OKC-Mideast research. Subsquently, Mr. O'Reilly has focused his program, "The O'Reilly Factor," on a relate aspect of the OKC-Mideast connection, achieving some very positive results. His September 26th broadcast entitled "What is Going On at the University of South Florida?" asked some piercing questions of SF Professor Sami Al-Arian and his connections to the Islamic Jihad terrorist group. e had asked similar questions in a detailed article ("America the Vulnerable," September 14, 1998) about Al-Arian, Ramadan Shallah, Khalil Shikaki, and others at USF connected to Islamic Jihad and Hamas. That article pointed out that AI-Arian and company were operating through USF-affiliated "think tanks" such as the World Islam Studies Enterprise (WISE) and the Islamic Committee for Palestine (ICP) to give terrorist leaders access to the U.S. and to radicalize American Muslims for recruitment into the ext remist networks. We noted therein that an ICP/WISE speaker, Kamal Helbawi, a Hamas leader based in Pakistan, was one of several militants who had addressed Muslims in a very inflammatory speech at a conference in Oklahoma City.

"Oklahoma City has played host to other leaders associated with Hamas, ICP, WISE, and other suspected terrorist fronts," we reported. "And evidence developed by this magazine and other investigators indicates that locally based and foreign individuals associated with these long-established terrorist networks were involved in the April 19, 1995 bombing. Unless officials are pressured to conduct an honest and thorough investigation, more atrocities and tragedies are sure to follow."

Thanks to Bill O'Reilly's coverage on Fox, USF announced last December 19th that Dr. Al-Arian was being dismissed from employment at USF. That will be a rather empty victory, however, if federal immigration, intelligence, and law enforcement officials do not follow up with an intensive investigation into the vast terrorist support network within this country, of which Al-Arian's USF band appears to be a significant part.

Many people held high hopes that the important OKC-Mideast evidence that the Clinton-Reno regime had suppressed would be acted on under the new Bush-Ashcroft management. But the Department of Justice under Ashcroft is thus far following the Reno script on OKC. On October 29th, Oklahoma Judge Ray Dean Linder ruled that, because of objections from the Bush-Ashcroft Justice Department, retired FBI Agent Dan Vogel would not be allowed to testify about evidence he had received concerning Mideast connections to the OKC bombing. Vogel, an Oklahoma City FBI Special Agent, had volunteered to testify in the upcoming state trial of Terry Nichols, who has already been convicted on federal charges as an accomplice with Timothy McVeigh in the bombing. Among the things that Mr. Vogel could testify about is that he received 22 affidavits and more than 30 witness statements describing sightings of Middle Easterners with McVeigh. The information was transmitted to him at the FBI's Oklahoma City office on January 28, 1999 by re porter Jayna Davis, accompanied by her husband, Drew Davis, and her attorney, Dan Nelson. Mr. Vogel has said that he is willing to testify before a congressional committee if he is subpoenaed to do so.

Last November 17th, Indianapolis Star writer James Patterson wrote a story on the Davis-Vogel-OKC-Ashcroft developments that was picked up nationally by the Associated Press. In the article, entitled "Missing evidence from Oklahoma City," Patterson wrote: "The FBI doesn't want to talk about it, but the evidence keeps mounting. Critical evidence that several Middle Eastern men may have been connected to the Oklahoma City bombing appears to have been kept from the public by the FBI."

"Officially, the FBI has dismissed the possibility of a John Doe No. 2, an olive-skinned man whose sketch they released immediately after the bombing, or other suspects," said Patterson. "But current and former FBI agents in Oklahoma City say they received documents pointing to another person or even a cell of Middle Eastern operatives. At a minimum, Congress should question one former FBI agent who says he obtained 22 affidavits and more than 30 witness statements describing sightings of Middle Easterners with McVeigh."

The Star article states that FBI "agents believe if that evidence had not been suppressed by the FBI, it could have helped uncover plans leading to the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon." Patterson quotes an unnamed former FBI agent as stating: "We did have some Oklahoma connections to the events in Washington, D.C., and New York City. We did find out that one of these individuals was trying to take flight training at a Norman [Okla.] flight instruction school."

Why do the Bush administration and Congress continually avoid looking at this evidence, especially the more recent evidence Mr. Schippers claims to have about forewarning of the 9-11 attacks? It is absolutely imperative that Congress and the White House be held accountable for this gross dereliction of duty and obstruction of justice. How many more attacks must we suffer and how many more lives must be lost before this very reasonable, common-sense request to investigate prime suspects and examine available, credible evidence is finally acted upon by officials in Washington?

Readers are encouraged to contact their congressman and senators in support of an investigation into the OKC-Mideast connection.


SOURCE:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=82394278

dannno
03-11-2011, 06:44 PM
OKC Bombing: Precursor to 9-11?:
Evidence links the OKC bombing to Middle Eastern terrorists, and the failure of officials to examine this evidence in 1995 may have set the stage for the September 11th attacks. (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=82394278)

Wow, they almost had it right until they blamed them both entirely on Middle Eastern terrorists..

FrankRep
03-11-2011, 06:50 PM
Wow, they almost had it right until they blamed them both entirely on Middle Eastern terrorists..

".. Middle Eastern terrorist involvement ..."

dannno
03-11-2011, 06:55 PM
".. Middle Eastern terrorist involvement ..."

Ya, but they seem to be insinuating that they were involved only with McVeigh, not with other elements. They seem to want to pin all the terrorism on Middle Eastern terrorists.

anaconda
03-11-2011, 07:07 PM
Did he know about the bombs found in the building?

And that the military's leading bomb expert said the building was blown outward? Not inward.

anaconda
03-11-2011, 07:12 PM
The feds will probably pay somebody to cap him before he tells what he knows.

It is my understanding that the witnesses gathered at the execution did not see McVeigh die.

Danke
03-11-2011, 07:19 PM
And that the military's leading bomb expert said the building was blown outward? Not inward.

What about all those security camera video tapes around the area they released? ...oops, nvm...

lynnf
03-12-2011, 05:39 AM
McVeigh said there wasn't anybody else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing


The only source on Hussain al-Hussaini being possibly involved in Oklahoma City seems to be the author of the book- Miss Davis. Anybody got anything else?

Was the "third man" Iraqi connection just to try to pump up more support for the Iraq war?

it's interesting that in those quotes, McVeigh hints that he was alone, but doesn't actually come out and say there was no one else. maybe like he was promised a deal in which he wouldn't get death if he would say certain things. (which is the modus operandi for the feds ).

lynn

pcosmar
03-12-2011, 10:36 AM
McVeigh said there wasn't anybody else.



He was a "good soldier".
;)

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/04-17-05/ryder_gruber.jpg
:(

pcosmar
03-12-2011, 11:02 AM
Actually the "John Doe #2" investigation was dropped deliberately at the time. As were any reference to the several other men reported by witnesses.
Nichols was only a bit player at best, and McVeigh was the designated Patsy.
Neither one was a "mastermind" and several others were involved. The "investigation" focused on them to the exclusion of all other evidence.

Zap!
03-12-2011, 11:55 AM
it's interesting that in those quotes, McVeigh hints that he was alone, but doesn't actually come out and say there was no one else. maybe like he was promised a deal in which he wouldn't get death if he would say certain things. (which is the modus operandi for the feds ).

lynn

But on his day of execution, wouldn't he have spilled the beans? Unless he was programmed. Or not executed.

FrankRep
03-12-2011, 12:09 PM
Tracking the Uncovered Information about the Oklahoma City Bombing...


September 4, 1995: Searching for John Doe No. 2
http://web.archive.org/web/19990912004056/www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1995/vo11no18/vo11no18_john_does.htm

October 16, 1995: Startling OKC Developments
http://web.archive.org/web/19990912083703/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1995/vo11no21/vo11no21_okc_developments.htm

December 25, 1995: A Tale of Intrigue
http://web.archive.org/web/20020211174138/http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1995/vo11no26/vo11no26_okc.htm

Dec 17, 2001: OKC Mideast Evidence Suppressed. (Insider Report)
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=80964652

Jan 28, 2002: OKC Bombing: Precursor to 9-11?: Evidence links the OKC bombing to Middle Eastern terrorists, and the failure of officials to examine this evidence in 1995 may have set the stage for the September 11th attacks.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=82394278

Jun 17, 2002: From WTC to OKC to 9-11
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=87420356


Jul 1, 2002: Terror trail: WTC, OKC, 9-11; journalists and congressional investigators are beginning to trace the terror trail backward from 9-11 to Oklahoma City and the earlier World Trade Center bombing.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=88102561

Mar 10, 2003: Years ahead on OKC cover-up: the Associated Press has recently reported some of the OKC bombing evidence The New American first brought to light many years earlier.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=98576857

Apr 7, 2003: WTC, OKC, 9-11 terror connections.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=99618816


Jun 30, 2003: Another chance at OKC justice? The upcoming state trial of convicted OKC bomber Terry Nichols offers another chance to expose any co-conspirators -- and any officials who have covered up crucial evidence.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=104259190

Jul 26, 2004: Al-Qaeda's OKC-9/11 ties: al-Qaeda ties to the OKC bombing were not mentioned in the state trial of Terry Nichols, yet evidence used by federal prosecutors in recent cases makes the ties obvious.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=119850743

Jul 26, 2004: OKC: justice denied--again: although the state trial of Terry Nichols offered some hope of finally exposing the massive cover-up concerning the 1995 terror attack, there were no breakthroughs.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=119850744

Apr 5, 2004: Nichols & the OKC Bombing
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=115078277

Jan 24, 2005: OKC bombing revisited: to support the case presented by the History Channel of a government coverup in the Oklahoma City bombing, additional evidence is presented here.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=127713558

Sep 19, 2005: OKC bombing: exposing a coverup: The New American has played a lead role in the ongoing efforts by independent investigators to get to the truth about the Oklahoma City bombing.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=136649932

Nov 28, 2005: The truth will out: an attorney's decade-long search for justice in his brother's murder finally yields fruit--and breaks through a mass of lies and coverup the OKC bombing.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/_/print/PrintArticle.aspx?id=139717178

AuH20
03-12-2011, 12:10 PM
I also am extremely skeptical that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone. Just the government's entire avoidance to investigate it properly exhibits this. There could have a multitude of motives involving Hussain al-Hussaini. He could have been a deep cover CIA operative or perhaps Iraqi intelligence on the behalf of a vengeful Saddam Hussein. Who here likes being double-crossed? You have to remember that Saddam was our staunch ally until he crossed over into Kuwait and started plundering the country. In turn Bush Sr. with the help of the coalition , destroyed a large portion of his Republican guard. Hussein even went as far as to assign an assassination team to take out Sr.

FrankRep
03-12-2011, 12:40 PM
Oklahoma City: What Really Happened?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7986890122574112425

Overview of the OKC Bombing case created by State Representative Charles Key (http://charleskey.com/)


Some Crucial Evidence the Major Media Didn't Bother to Tell You

No one contests the fact that the bombing of the Alfred C. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was a heinous crime. That one vile act not only took 169 lives, but also left hundreds physically wounded and thousands of family members, friends, and neighbors emotionally scarred.

President Clinton and Attorney General Reno promised to throw the full investigative resources of the federal government into an all-out effort to track down the criminals responsible. The giants of the Establishment media deployed legions of investigative reporters, analysts, pundits, and commentators to Oklahoma, Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Arkansas, and all points in between in breathless pursuit of even the most meager of leads that might reveal other accomplices.

So, eight months later, what have we to show for this unprecedented, massive criminal investigation? Three men have been indicted: Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Michael Fortier. Of these, only McVeigh is accused of actual involvement in the placing of the truck bomb in Oklahoma City on April 19th. Nichols, it appears, was hundreds of miles away in Herington, Kansas. Fortier was even further away in Kingman, Arizona.

Timothy McVeigh was arrested by an Oklahoma highway patrolman for speeding in a car without a license plate. Terry Nichols turned himself in to the local Kansas police. Michael Fortier turned state's evidence against Army buddies (and possible criminal co-conspirators) McVeigh and Nichols after U.S. attorneys threatened him with prison time for his wife and unborn child. And what of the infamous "John Doe No. 2," subject of the most massive global dragnet in human history? Well, the Justice Department and FBI have pretty much confused that issue by releasing ridiculous statements implying that there probably never was such an accomplice, that the sketch of the elusive suspect was probably the result of mis-association of an innocent Army private, who had also rented a Ryder truck, with McVeigh.

However, no one at all familiar with the case could believe that McVeigh alone and without assistance committed the evil deed. Too many credible witnesses have attested to seeing him in the company of others on the morning of April 19th: in the Ryder truck in route to the intended bomb site, beside the truck at the Murrah Building, and fleeing the scene moments before the blast. Several of these witnesses have identified one or more men of apparent Middle Eastern extraction as accomplices of McVeigh. Thus far, however, federal investigators have shown little interest in these important witnesses and the compelling evidence they have presented.

And the media "watchdogs"? Like the Administration's lackeys involved in the "investigation," the vaunted paladins of the press have lavished their immense resources on a pathetic parade of "news" features and "special reports" pretending to find evidence of a "right-wing" connection linking the militias, talk radio, Republicans, and everyone to the starboard of Hillary Rodham with this terrorist act.

If you're looking for real breakthroughs on this critically important case, you're sure not going to get them from CBS, PBS, CNN, ABC, NBC, the Washington Post, the New York Times, or any of their sycophantic imitators. However, some very important and compelling evidence that has received little or no coverage from the "mainstream" media is now available in a new video documentary. Oklahoma City: What Really Happened? is a 90-minute program produced and directed by Chuck Allen, a businessman who hosts a weekly interview and commentary show on Oklahoma City's cable access television channel. Together with Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key, Allen has assembled a series of interviews with rescuers, eyewitnesses, investigators, and survivors which reveals far more than all the hours of Rather blather, Brokaw baloney, and Jennings gestations on the subject that have blighted our television screens and obscured vital facts in the case over the past few months.

Besides comments from Charles Key, whose district includes much of Oklahoma City and who has led a grassroots campaign for a state oversight role in the federal investigation, the video features interviews with: Glenn Wilburn, whose two grandchildren were killed in the bombing; registered nurse Toni Garrett, one of the earliest rescue workers on the scene, who had the gruesome and heartrending task of "tagging" the bodies (or body parts) of 120 of the victims; J.D. Cash, an investigative reporter who has probably interviewed more witnesses and people directly affected by the blast and turned up more important leads than any other journalist; Mike Moroz, the tire store employee who gave directions to the Murrah Building to an apparently disoriented McVeigh (and an accomplice) minutes before the explosion; Pat Briley, an Oklahoma City investigator who has uncovered much important evidence; and Professor Raymon Brown, a leading expert on the seismic data associated with the blast. The program also includes press conference footage of testimony by explosives expert Brigadier General Benton Partin (USAF, Ret.).

Although Oklahoma City: What Really Happened? does not boast the high-tech production qualities one is used to getting from regular network programming, it more than makes up for this deficiency with solid, credible information that the mavens of the media cartel have failed to present to their audiences.

Were ATF employees warned not to come to work at the Murrah Building on April 19th? Did other federal agencies have forewarning of the attack? Were other live explosives -- not merely dummy "training devices" -- found at the Murrah Building? Is there reliable evidence of a Middle East connection to the bombing? Was there a "John Doe No. 2" matching the FBI sketch reliably identified with McVeigh and the explosion? Does the seismic data indicate that there were more than one explosion on April 19th? Does forensic analysis of the bomb site support the proposition that explosives other than the truck bomb may have been involved in the deadly blast?

Oklahoma City: What Really Happened? provides affirmative answers to each of these questions with evidence and testimony that, while not absolutely conclusive, should not be summarily dismissed. Unfortunately, that is precisely what the Establishment arbiters of "newsworthiness" have done. In the video, Charles Key explains that the purpose of the program is to "offer you eyewitnesses and experts and let you draw your own conclusions about what really took place in Oklahoma City on April 19th." What could be wrong with that? Those who view this program clearly will be in a far better position to draw intelligent, responsible conclusions than those who don't. Charles Key, Chuck Allen, and their associates in this production are to be commended for a job well done under difficult restraints and circumstances. This is an important contribution that will undoubtedly do more to help solve this horrible crime than all of the disinformation and contrived blatherings that pass for investigative journalism and news in the "prestige" press.

anaconda
03-13-2011, 09:37 PM
http://groups.google.com/group/ok.general/browse_thread/thread/0dfac42f7764d4f6/db585aa366647390?pli=1

TheDriver
03-13-2011, 10:44 PM
I've read all the books on this subject and I believe the right guys are in prison, or dead. Could they have had help or input? Sure, but notice no one else is blowing up government buildings with truck bombs.

Aratus
03-14-2011, 08:02 AM
a very gov't someone had thought the shadowy number
three conspirator guy to be maybe perhaps part mexican

pcosmar
03-14-2011, 08:18 AM
I've read all the books on this subject and I believe the right guys are in prison, or dead. Could they have had help or input? Sure, but notice no one else is blowing up government buildings with truck bombs.

The "truck Bomb" did not blow up the building. It was a pyrotechnic show for the public.
There were multiple blasts from within the building that brought it down. And there were other bombs found that failed to detonate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk

Oh yeah, perhaps you are forgetting the FBI enabled Truck Bomb used in the World Trade Center bombing.

FrankRep
04-07-2011, 04:35 PM
Memo suggests FBI had mole inside ABC News in 1990s (http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/3112/)


Public Integrity.org
April 05, 2011



A once-classified FBI memo reveals that the bureau treated a senior ABC News journalist as a potential confidential informant in the 1990s, pumping the reporter to ascertain the source of a sensational but uncorroborated tip that the network had obtained during its early coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing.

The journalist, whose name is not disclosed in the document labeled “secret,” not only cooperated but provided the identity of a confidential source, according to the FBI memo. . . .

The ABC employee was even assigned a number in the FBI’s informant database, indicating he or she was still being vetted for suitability as a snitch after providing “highly accurate and reliable information in the past” and then revealing information the network had obtained in the hours just after the 1995 terrorist attack by Timothy McVeigh.

The journalist “advised that a source within the Saudi Arabian Intelligence Service advised that the Oklahoma City bombing was sponsored by the Iraqi Special Services who contracted seven (7) former Afghani Freedom Fighters out of Pakistan,” an April 17, 1996 FBI memo states, recounting the then-ABC journalist’s interview with FBI agents a year earlier on the evening of the April 19, 1995 bombing. (The Iraqi connection, of course, never materialized.) . . .

The memo was recently discovered by Utah lawyer Jesse Trentadue, who has spent years researching the Oklahoma City case trying to prove a connection between the terrorist bombing and the death of his brother in an Oklahoma prison in the summer of 1995.

The root of the memo lies in Trentadue’s relationship with Terry Nichols, one of the defendants convicted in the 1995 terror attack, who is serving life in prison. Trentadue recently found the document — unredacted and still marked secret — in a box of documents gathered by Nichols’ defense attorneys.

The memo suggests the ABC journalist reached out to a counterterrorism agent in New York City on his or her own the night of the bombing, in part because the information acquired suggested that “there were two other bombing incidents planned” soon at government offices in Houston and Los Angeles.


http://thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/10aMarch/thirdterroristbook-t.001.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595552367/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1595552367)

The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595552367/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1595552367)

jmdrake
04-07-2011, 05:30 PM
From the Inside Flap
You’ve been fooled. If you think...
.....
— There was no link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein (and no WMD in Iraq)



It's simultaneously funny to see conservatives fall for the "Al Qaeda / Saddam" conspiracy theory. Do they think Rumsfeld and Cheney were in on the "cover up" to make themselves look bad and undermine support for the Iraq war? The same for the "There were really WMD stockpiles found in Iraq" conspiracy theory.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-FfXmhmj5E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiNtpIpD6k

jmdrake
04-07-2011, 05:41 PM
I heard Jesse Trentadue interviewed on Alex Jones. The basic premise if I remember correctly is that he believes his brother was mistaken for John Doe #2 and killed by the feds to shut him up. So does this new suspect look anything like Ken Trentadue?

http://www.apfn.org/images/kentrent3.jpeg

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/OKC_Trentadue.htm

Edit: Actually there is something of a resemblance.

http://nwodaily.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/62519_HusseinAlHusseini1.bmp


Memo suggests FBI had mole inside ABC News in 1990s (http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/3112/)


Public Integrity.org
April 05, 2011



A once-classified FBI memo reveals that the bureau treated a senior ABC News journalist as a potential confidential informant in the 1990s, pumping the reporter to ascertain the source of a sensational but uncorroborated tip that the network had obtained during its early coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing.

The journalist, whose name is not disclosed in the document labeled “secret,” not only cooperated but provided the identity of a confidential source, according to the FBI memo. . . .

The ABC employee was even assigned a number in the FBI’s informant database, indicating he or she was still being vetted for suitability as a snitch after providing “highly accurate and reliable information in the past” and then revealing information the network had obtained in the hours just after the 1995 terrorist attack by Timothy McVeigh.

The journalist “advised that a source within the Saudi Arabian Intelligence Service advised that the Oklahoma City bombing was sponsored by the Iraqi Special Services who contracted seven (7) former Afghani Freedom Fighters out of Pakistan,” an April 17, 1996 FBI memo states, recounting the then-ABC journalist’s interview with FBI agents a year earlier on the evening of the April 19, 1995 bombing. (The Iraqi connection, of course, never materialized.) . . .

The memo was recently discovered by Utah lawyer Jesse Trentadue, who has spent years researching the Oklahoma City case trying to prove a connection between the terrorist bombing and the death of his brother in an Oklahoma prison in the summer of 1995.

The root of the memo lies in Trentadue’s relationship with Terry Nichols, one of the defendants convicted in the 1995 terror attack, who is serving life in prison. Trentadue recently found the document — unredacted and still marked secret — in a box of documents gathered by Nichols’ defense attorneys.

The memo suggests the ABC journalist reached out to a counterterrorism agent in New York City on his or her own the night of the bombing, in part because the information acquired suggested that “there were two other bombing incidents planned” soon at government offices in Houston and Los Angeles.


http://thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/10aMarch/thirdterroristbook-t.001.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595552367/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1595552367)

The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595552367/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1595552367)

LibertyEagle
04-07-2011, 05:49 PM
I've read all the books on this subject and I believe the right guys are in prison, or dead. Could they have had help or input? Sure, but notice no one else is blowing up government buildings with truck bombs.

And very little of the damage inflicted on the building came from the "truck bomb". Bombs were found INSIDE the building and were being reported on by local news that day as they were being pulled out of the building. I heard the newscasts. I remember it well. Also, there were drawings done by explosives expert Brigadier General Benton Partin showing where bombs had to be strategically placed INSIDE the building to have done the damage that was done. The New American had the drawings in their magazine back then.

mrsat_98
04-08-2011, 05:57 AM
So is he the one who planted the other bombs in the building, or was that the Feds? Or was this Muslim dude a fed?

Like Mc Veigh this new goy is another designated distraction.


Did he know about the bombs found in the building?

The real question is why it happened.


I've read all the books on this subject and I believe the right guys are in prison, or dead. Could they have had help or input? Sure, but notice no one else is blowing up government buildings with truck bombs.


So if you have read all the books on the subject did you ever hear of Peter Kawaja and the real story of why the Murah Building went boom ?

jmdrake
04-08-2011, 11:08 AM
I hope this doesn't all get swept back under the rug like it did in 2009.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/26/two-atf-arrests-awaken-theories-of-conspiracy/?page=1

And what about the fact that no BATF agents were in the building? What about the witness reports that the BATF was tipped off by pager not to come into work?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck13yfbOXdQ

acptulsa
04-12-2011, 08:38 AM
http://okcbombingtruth.com/