Who The Hell Is Running Ron Pauls Facebook Page? WTF is this?

[ItsTime]

I found this shocking to see Ron Paul saying. This sounds NOTHING like what he would say. Or am I wrong?


Wow- Rand really takes it to this anti-consumer government hack in this video!

Does Ron Paul really call people names like that?

[belian78]

Yeah, I was pretty taken aback to see that as well. I point ppl to his FB page frequently, and I can't say that kind of thing would look too appealing to a new viewer.

[sailingaway]

I hope they change it and it could look appalling as in 'not the kind of person I would vote for he throws around that nonsense'. It is an area where I disagree with Rand. Not on the toilet / lightbulb free choice (there, I agree) but on the throwing red meat that just rallies people by unified ridicule of the other side, not by logic. 'anti-consumer government hack' is all heat and no light. :p

I think Ron's communications people aren't as logically sophisticated as he is. I guess it will only turn off non partisans and people who demand logic over red meat, though, and it does seem like there aren't too many who fall into that category, unfortunately.

There are some who will be turned off, though. I raised Rand as a topic to my Dad, who likes Ron but has some reservations as to his being possibly too pure to be president (he voted for him for Congress in the last election, having just moved to his district.) He dismissed Rand based on having seen Rand in the debate where he was calling Conway out over the aqua buddha ad, saying 'Have you no shame' for insulting his religion, etc. He thought Rand was grandstanding, and didn't even want to listen to his points. That had struck me the same way, but I also thought Conway was way out of line with the ad (for playing it as if it really were a kidnapping) and I forgave it. (Dad wasn't tracking Rand, though, and it was his first exposure.)

There are some who still think with their heads and don't like to be 'pushed' to a conclusion.

The emails sent in Ron's name or by C4L are the same kind of drivel language, and I am not the only one here who has commented on it. They clearly aren't written by Ron.

[Immortal Technique]

yeah i seen that yesterday, not sure who is posting for him there but that needs to be fixed

[specsaregood]

I hope they change it and it would so look appalling as in 'not the kind of person I would vote for he throws around that nonsense'. It is an area where I disagree with Rand. Not on the toilet / lightbulb free choice (there, I agree) but on the throwing red meat that just rallies people by unified ridicule of the other side, not by logic. 'anti-consumer government hack' is all heat and no light. :p


I personally prefer Ron's rhetoric and attitude. eg: not calling out people individually but calling out the issues. BUT Rand's rhetoric wins party voters and wins big primaries. Something to keep in mind.

[Chester Copperpot]

Im glad I wasnt the only one surprised by this.

[sailingaway]

I personally prefer Ron's rhetoric and attitude. eg: not calling out people individually but calling out the issues. BUT Rand's rhetoric wins party voters and wins big primaries. Something to keep in mind.

I know. That is why I said the damage would be limited, but I don't really think they were making a choice to dump the reasoning non-partisans. I think whomever posted it doesn't understand the difference, which is a shame, if they are speaking in Ron's name.

Rand's use of the technique is very calculated, and therefore limited.

[erowe1]

Collins, is that you doing that?

[carmaphob]

Im glad I wasnt the only one surprised by this.
ditto

[ItsTime]

Someone from his district maybe call his congressional office and ask about it? After the ghost writer on the newsletters he really should be A LOT more careful on what is going out in his name.

[brandon]

:collins:

[belian78]

Looks like its been taken down and reposted this morning with less antagonistic wording.

[matt0611]

Wow, thats definitely NOT Ron lol.

[erowe1]

Looks like its been taken down and reposted this morning with less antagonistic wording.

I still see it there. Do I need to delete cookies for it to disappear or something?

[ItsTime]

I still see it on both my computers even after clearing cookies. It is the first thing to show up on his page.

[belian78]

I dunno, I'm viewing from my phone, but I see it titled 'view it, like it, share it'.

[PaulineDisciple]

I personally prefer Ron's rhetoric and attitude. eg: not calling out people individually but calling out the issues. BUT Rand's rhetoric wins party voters and wins big primaries. Something to keep in mind.

I agree, it doesn't sound too over the top to me but then again, I guess I am rebelling against my public school upbringing that taught me that I could never say anything that would offend anyone. If you read debates and books written over a hundred years ago, you will find that they spoke much more harshly than we would have thought. Just read some of the books Martin Luther wrote against the Catholic Church or presidential debates from the 1800's and I think you will see what I mean. One of the effects of our government controlled schools have been that our language and attitudes have been neutered and feminized, I am all for a return to strong denunciation of radical ideas of the people that want to keep their power over our God given rights. Timidity is what has brought us to this situation we have found ourselves in today in America.

[sailingaway]

I agree, it doesn't sound too over the top to me but then again, I guess I am rebelling against my public school upbringing that taught me that I could never say anything that would offend anyone. If you read debates and books written over a hundred years ago, you will find that they spoke much more harshly than we would have thought. Just read some of the books Martin Luther wrote against the Catholic Church or presidential debates from the 1800's and I think you will see what I mean. One of the effects of our government controlled schools have been that our language and attitudes have been neutered and feminized, I am all for a return to strong denunciation of radical ideas of the people that want to keep their power over our God given rights. Timidity is what has brought us to this situation we have found ourselves in today in America.

It isn't about timidity, it is about the laziness of name calling and stirring personal animosity over arguing the issues.

[Eric21ND]

I usually point people to Ron Paul 2012.

Not sure what teenager is running his official facebook page.

[MaxPower]

I doubt Ron Paul himself uses Facebook, and I doubt he ever writes this way; it is almost certainly a staffer or volunteer. Unfortunately, as seems to be the unfortunate case with many libertarians (hence the Ron Paul fans' poor reputation in many quarters), some staffers do not share the good doctor's sensibilities, and this isn't the first time it's shown- this hearkens back to the newsletter controversy that followed him during the '08 presidential race.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Maybe like seemingly everyone else in the United States, Ron Paul is ruder to people on the internet than he ever would be in person?

[Zatch]

Reminds me of this comment from Judge Napolitano's facebook that seemed odd:

Judge Nap's Status: We might argue about whether it's Constitutional to hold people in Gitmo; but do you agree we should hold people indefinitely AFTER they are acquitted?

Edward McKinney: Andy, I don't think this was an issue for you when Bush and Cheney were running things.

Judge Andrew Napolitano ‎@Edward McKinney - If you could see through your blind ideology and actually look at my history I have never supported Bush or Cheney when they claimed powers to hold prisoners in Guantanamo Bay. I'm not a conservative, I'm a libertarian.

http://www.facebook.com/JudgeNapolitano/posts/176398175739291

As if it's conservative to support indefinite detention. Doesn't seem like something the Judge would say.

[crazyfacedjenkins]

maybe like seemingly everyone else in the united states, ron paul is ruder to people on the internet than he ever would be in person?

hahaah!! http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Internet_Tough_Guy

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/b/b0/R_u_hardenuff.jpg/450px-R_u_hardenuff.jpg
This was that ex-marine, on his third tour of duty of Afghanistan,
that accused you of cheating while playing Halo last night over
Xbox Live. You should really prepare for the worst.

[freshjiva]

I've "liked" Ron Paul on fb for almost a year now, and he'd have maybe one update a month or so. Lately, it has picked up and has gotten more and more partisan.

Anyone else notice this?

It's clearly someone else running his FB page.

Whoever it is, please exercise some level of professionalism when writing on behalf of Ron Paul.

[sailingaway]

Maybe like seemingly everyone else in the United States, Ron Paul is ruder to people on the internet than he ever would be in person?

No.

[itshappening]

Reminds me of this comment from Judge Napolitano's facebook that seemed odd:

Judge Nap's Status: We might argue about whether it's Constitutional to hold people in Gitmo; but do you agree we should hold people indefinitely AFTER they are acquitted?

Edward McKinney: Andy, I don't think this was an issue for you when Bush and Cheney were running things.

Judge Andrew Napolitano ‎@Edward McKinney - If you could see through your blind ideology and actually look at my history I have never supported Bush or Cheney when they claimed powers to hold prisoners in Guantanamo Bay. I'm not a conservative, I'm a libertarian.

http://www.facebook.com/JudgeNapolitano/posts/176398175739291

As if it's conservative to support indefinite detention. Doesn't seem like something the Judge would say.

"conservatism" has been hijacked by big gov crowd, like it not the majority of people who identify as conservatives would cheer on indefinite detention and things like No Child Left Behind, the Judge has disowned the label "conservative" which is what he means

[erowe1]

I doubt Ron Paul himself uses Facebook, and I doubt he ever writes this way; it is almost certainly a staffer or volunteer.

It's a given that it's not Ron Paul himself. And I doubt that it's a staffer. It might be someone who has Ron Paul's permission, or tacit permission to do it. But whoever it is doing it is abusing that right. Notice how they often speak as Ron Paul in the first person, like the recent status, "I just agreed to go back to Sioux Center, Iowa on April 11th!" They absolutely shouldn't do that, ever. They need to be completely transparent that they don't speak as Ron Paul, that he isn't directly behind anything they say there, and refer to him in the third person.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

It's a given that it's not Ron Paul himself. It might be someone who has Ron Paul's permission, or tacit permission to do it. But whoever it is doing it is abusing that right. Notice how they often speak as Ron Paul in the first person, like the recent status, "I just agreed to go back to Sioux Center, Iowa on April 11th!" They absolutely shouldn't do that, ever. They need to be completely transparent that they don't speak as Ron Paul, that he isn't directly behind anything they say there, and refer to him in the third person.

Newsletters redux?

[Matt Collins]

Collins, is that you doing that?
Nope, I only ran Rand's Facebook assets with a couple of other guys during the primary campaign.

I do however know who runs Ron's FB page now but I won't say.

[pcosmar]

Nope, I only ran Rand's Facebook assets with a couple of other guys during the primary campaign.

I do however know who runs Ron's FB page now but I won't say.

I hope it is not the same person that sabotaged the Michigan Campaign and is now paid staff at C4L.
:(

[Matt Collins]

I hope it is not the same person that sabotaged the Michigan Campaign and is now paid staff at C4L.
:(Not familiar with that incident. What happened?

[erowe1]

Not familiar with that incident. What happened?

I'm pretty sure he's referring to someone who was on the campaign's paid staff at the time who was sent to work in Michigan and caused a bunch of problems there, probably more as a result of her personality than an intent to sabotage anything. And I'm pretty sure she's never been on paid staff with CFL.

[pcosmar]

Not familiar with that incident. What happened?

Ask Paul Garfield.
he was the Campaign Manager when Ron's support was growing and at the Mackinac Conference.
Then he was fired (for no apparent or given reason) He was replaced by idiots.
They have full time paid positions now.

Adam de Angeli was involved somehow. He ran the failure of a forum in Michigan. (more porn than substance) and deleted any questions about it.

[pcosmar]

I'm pretty sure he's referring to someone who was on the campaign's paid staff at the time who was sent to work in Michigan and caused a bunch of problems there. probably more as a result of her personality than an intent to sabotage anything. And I'm pretty sure she's never been on paid staff with CFL.

Her too, but it started before she showed up. I believe after doing the same in Alaska.

[AGRP]

Ron Paul is just about everywhere, but I doubt he spends any time posting on Facebook.

[pcosmar]

Ron Paul is just about everywhere, but I doubt he spends any time posting on Facebook.

I doubt it too. That is why it(e-mail) all goes to my junk mail anymore. (/delete)
Other that "Straight Talk" I assume it was not from Ron at all.

[Fredom101]

That's REALLY bad imo.
It's only going to turn people off. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by calling people names. :(

[Suzu]

You cannot alter a post you put on Facebook, you can only delete it.

[kahless]

Wow- Rand really takes it to this anti-consumer government hack in this video!

I could see if there was a pattern of name calling but I find it bizarre to see in these forums people getting upset because he called someone a hack.

Unless I am misreading it here and it is the anarcho-Socialists government lovers posting here that are only for Ron because of similiarities in non-interventionist foreign policy.

[erowe1]

I could see if there was a pattern of name calling but I find it bizarre to see in these forums people getting upset because he called someone a hack.

Unless I am misreading it here and it is the anarcho-Socialists government lovers posting here that are only for Ron because of similiarities in non-interventionist foreign policy.

I don't pay enough attention to it to know if there's a pattern of name calling. I assume this is not an isolated incident. What I can clearly tell, though, just from scanning through the statuses since seeing the OP, is that whoever it is who runs RP's Facebook page likes to pretend that their words are actually his, and has a habit of writing in a pretty unprofessional way. It's ironic that the word hack was used, because that's what this kind of thing makes the campaign look like. It needs to stop. Are we in this to win it or not?

[TheeJoeGlass]

I could see if there was a pattern of name calling but I find it bizarre to see in these forums people getting upset because he called someone a hack.

Unless I am misreading it here and it is the anarcho-Socialists government lovers posting here that are only for Ron because of similiarities in non-interventionist foreign policy.

Good point. I think the way Rand handled that person could be viewed as worse.

[dannno]

Ya I didn't think it was all that bad.. Ron Paul can get quite fiery sometimes.

[MRoCkEd]

Ron has called IRS agents thugs. Is this so much worse?

[erowe1]

Ron has called IRS agents thugs. Is this so much worse?

My problem is the way whoever does it pretends to be RP. They should just speak in the third person about him so that people don't have their impressions of how Ron Paul communicates affected by someone else who pretends to speak for him.

[sailingaway]

My problem is the way whoever does it pretends to be RP. They should just speak in the third person about him so that people don't have their impressions of how Ron Paul communicates affected by someone else who pretends to speak for him.

I agree. It gives an impression of a person much looser with insults than Ron is.

[blocks]

Newsletters redux?

100%....I shake my head reading some of those emails....Why do they have to take Ron Paul's name? If he didn't write the email, don't pretend like he did especially if you can't even make it sound like something he'd actually say.

[pacelli]

If Benton keeps this crap up, he's going to ruin Ron's campaign before it gets started.

[Umbro2914]

Not familiar with that incident. What happened?

I love it. SO ironic.
First Collins slips in that he knows who runs the page, but wont say. What a tease. But the instant someone knows something he dosent, ie the very next post, he himself wishes to find out the details. Ha.

I dont mean to hate, I really dont, but this is just too funny. We, the mundane, shouldnt know things that the mighty Collins knows. But he must know everything.