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wildfirepower
03-08-2011, 07:51 AM
Some economists have argued that having kids is an economically silly investment; after all, it's cheaper to hire end-of-life care than to raise a child. Now comes new research showing that having kids is not only financially foolish but that kids literally make parents delusional.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/03/04/why-having-kids-is-foolish/
wildfirepower
03-08-2011, 07:53 AM
On second thought, there is no guarantee that world will survive for more than 20 or 30 years. People are talking about World War 3. There are hundreds of Hitler and Stalin in this world. There is a meteorite/space mountain 35 km wide and 10 km high which can crash into Earth. There is Yellow stone national park massive volcano. Magnitude 10 Earthquake is waiting to strike Earth. Everybody knows about the world economy (nothing to write).
If a child is born today there is no guarantee, he/she will survive for more than 20 or 30 years.
AlexMerced
03-08-2011, 07:55 AM
Kids are good investment if they are successful, that used to be the incentive to make sure your kids are educated, cause the more successful they the more comfortable your retirement was.
Watch there videos...
The Families Role in a Free Market
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZQFF1Mdy8w
State, Families, and Forgiveness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHGBObzpwP0
wildfirepower
03-08-2011, 07:56 AM
5,200 Pentagon Employees Purchased Child Porn
Video: http://www.youtube.com/embed/t7qTBkA8X_E
AlexMerced
03-08-2011, 07:58 AM
On second thought, there is no guarantee that world will survive for more than 20 or 30 years. People are talking about World War 3. There are hundreds of Hitler and Stalin in this world. There is a meteorite/space mountain 35 km wide and 10 km high which can crash into Earth. There is Yellow stone national park massive volcano. Magnitude 10 Earthquake is waiting to strike Earth. Everybody knows about the world economy (nothing to write).
If a child is born today there is no guarantee, he/she will survive for more than 20 or 30 years.
This is why people use to diversify their portfolio and have lots of kids, or why we diversify our portfolio of mates when we're younger
You diversify till the risk matches the reward, it's the beauty of economic/social calculation which has been distorted by dangerous feedback loop between Government and every other institution in our lives.
wildfirepower
03-08-2011, 07:58 AM
Parent Offers Body Parts To Pay Off Child's $200,000 Student Loans
An anonymous parent in the Boston area recently posted an ad on Craigslist offering to sell their body parts to pay off their child's student loans.
The ad detailed a person 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighing 200 pounds with "organs in working order." The writer offered blood, plasma, kidneys in place of the $200,000 in education bills.
"Use my body for anything legal, or medically experimental," the advert said. "Simply pay off all of my children's student loans ($200,000) and you can use me anyway you need."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/25/craigslist-parent-body-parts_n_828511.html
Loans are one of the biggest reason for global financial crisis
AlexMerced
03-08-2011, 08:01 AM
Parent Offers Body Parts To Pay Off Child's $200,000 Student Loans
An anonymous parent in the Boston area recently posted an ad on Craigslist offering to sell their body parts to pay off their child's student loans.
The ad detailed a person 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighing 200 pounds with "organs in working order." The writer offered blood, plasma, kidneys in place of the $200,000 in education bills.
"Use my body for anything legal, or medically experimental," the advert said. "Simply pay off all of my children's student loans ($200,000) and you can use me anyway you need."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/25/craigslist-parent-body-parts_n_828511.html
Loans are one of the biggest reason for global financial crisis
That doesn't mean kids are a bad investment, that just means government loans have made schooling to expensive and credit to cheap
Which can lead to Dropping Birth Rates and Emmigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5CjzLtMOHc
Annihilia
03-08-2011, 08:09 AM
Kids are an awful investment financially, which is actually a good thing for libertarians.
It serves as a reminder to those who say that a free society would go to shit since everybody will be pursuing their own economic interests, leaving the poor and sick to die in the streets. Humans are complex and we don't always do things that simply maximize our economic returns.
There are some things you cannot put a price on.
Baptist
03-08-2011, 08:21 AM
Kids do not cost all that much. That is a myth. I should know, I come from a family of nearly a dozen siblings.
I am not exaggerating when I say this, but I bet you spend more on vices than I spend on my kid. I know for a fact that my old stoner buddies spend more on kind bud a month than I spend on my kid. I know for a fact that MILLIONS of Americans spend WAY MORE on booze a month than I spend on my kid.
As far as that student loan link you posted... today's parents are idiots. I am not raising a kid for 18 years, so that I have to take care of him past 18 and donate organs to pay off his loans. I am raising an adult. By the time my child is 18 he will be more mature than 30-year-olds. One of the primary reasons are country went down the crapper is because 1.) parents just "want my kid to have a better life than I did," and 2.) and everyone believes that "they need a good childhood" or "just let them be kids." The end result is that we have college kids who are so spoiled and immature that it makes me sick. As somebody who moved out when I was 16, I can honestly say that I was more mature at 17 than 99% of my fellow classmates are at graduation.
tangent4ronpaul
03-08-2011, 08:38 AM
OH - come on - kids are DELICIOUS fresh off the rotisserie or BBQ....
JOKING!
:D
VBRonPaulFan
03-08-2011, 08:43 AM
They're a lot of work, but you get a great deal of emotional satisfaction from being with your child and playing with them. The logic of the OP means that roller skating, recreational fishing, listening to music, and gardening are all worthless investments.
tangent4ronpaul
03-08-2011, 08:45 AM
In third world economics - you kick out as many as you can in the hopes that one will live long enough to take care of you in your old age.
In post TEOTWAYKI economics - - hay it's another gatherer and finger on the trigger - as well as eyes out there watching your back
GREAT INVESTMENT! - PRICELESS even!
JohnEngland
03-08-2011, 08:52 AM
No kids = End of the world.
specsaregood
03-08-2011, 08:54 AM
If a child is born today there is no guarantee, he/she will survive for more than 20 or 30 years.
When exactly in human history has there ever been such a guarantee?
CaliforniaMom
03-08-2011, 08:57 AM
People don't have children for economic reasons, they have children because they love their spouse and want to start a family together.
Ninja Homer
03-08-2011, 09:01 AM
"It's never the right time to have kids, but it's always the right time for screwing. God's not a dumbshit. He knows how it works." -Shit My Dad Says :)
Acala
03-08-2011, 09:04 AM
The largest expenses involved in child rearing are medical care and education. Everything else is trivial. And those two items are expensive because government and the banks pour vast quantities of new money directly into those points in the economy through loans and subsidies. In a truly free market, kids would be an economic asset.
And the amusement value of kids ages 6 months through about ten years is huge. After that, maybe not so much.
Ninja Homer
03-08-2011, 09:10 AM
Visit your local project area, and they'll tell you the more kids you have, the more money you make.
wildfirepower
03-08-2011, 09:21 AM
When exactly in human history has there ever been such a guarantee?
The human greed to develop very fast and competition has led to the downfall of world economy ultimately. Example, if there is 200 storey building, you will reach the top of the building by elevator/lift or staircase. If you use elevator you reach the top in 2 minutes and then you have to come down. If you use staircase, you reach the top in 2 hours and then you come down. If the world factories would have been working for 12 hours a day only for past 50 to 100 years, then only 50% of world's resources would have been consumed today. The world economy would have easily survived for another 100 years without any problem. There would have been no financial crisis and multi-trillion bailouts for next 100 years and more.
World people consume/eat 4.4 billion Tons food per year, equivalent/equal to weight of 8,800 world trade center buildings (WTC 9/11)
Worldwide oil production for year 2010 was 30 billions of barrels.
Some 7 billion tonnes of coal is produced worldwide per year which is equal to weight of 14,000 world trade center buildings (9/11)
Search in google for "european sex videos" and similar words and you will understand why "human beings are breeding like rats". 5,200 Pentagon Employees Purchased Child Porn.
The Bible do not lie, is the word of God. This world should give rise to the kingdom of Christ, the “cleaning” is painful, but Jesus will restore everything. Who want to go with Him? Repent and join to Christ that you will have living with the eternal God, righteous and loving, the Lord of all the law of life, of love and peace, the true Light.
Swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, -they break out; and blood toucheth blood. For this shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowl of the heavens, yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away." (Hosea, 4:1-3)
Ash is rich with nutrients and helps in better growth of the forest. To provide ash to the forest, rotten and fallen woods and some good trees have to be burned. There cannot be ash without a fire and fire does not distinguish between anything and anybody.
RyanRSheets
03-08-2011, 09:31 AM
Kids do not cost all that much. That is a myth. I should know, I come from a family of nearly a dozen siblings.
Compulsory education means your 12 siblings probably ran us $50,000-$100,000 a year in public education, and that is offloading a tremendous amount of responsibility on the part of the parents. Kids do cost money, but it is very hard to determine just how much. In the long run, kids will grow up to contribute to the economy and we will be better off than before. In the short run, they are like a tax that just goes into a vault.
When needs are fulfilled, people tend to go for what they want. Some people want to watch movies. Some people want to burn money on alcohol and drugs. Some people want to take vacations to exotic places. Some people want kids. If all we were concerned with in life was investment, it would be a very bland world.
pcosmar
03-08-2011, 09:40 AM
If you are looking at children as an "Investment" you are confused.
Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one's youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them! He shall not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.
Children are a blessing.
specsaregood
03-08-2011, 09:40 AM
A bunch of stuff that doesn't address the question.
So uhm, when exactly has there ever been a guarantee that a child will last 20-30 years? Never.
mczerone
03-08-2011, 09:53 AM
People don't have children for economic reasons, they have children because they love their spouse and want to start a family together.
And "starting a family" is different than "having children" how?
This entire thread has overlooked the only cost worth calculating: the opportunity cost. Yes adding the expenses of a child to one's life is high, but are those net benefits more than not having children at all?
I'd recommend "the Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins to all those who haven't read it. There is rationality in caring for others if you look at decisions based on the success rate of your genes as expressed in yourself and in others (who carry similar genes to your own with less frequency). Similarly, without having children you are essentially saying "I don't want my genes to continue."
Every decision in life is an economic decision. And its made by weighing the costs and benefits of acting against the costs and benefits of acting contrarily.
NYgs23
03-08-2011, 10:18 AM
I think this article demonstrates nothing other than the limits of empirical analysis, particular when it applies to human beings.
First of all, one of the reasons raising children is so frustrating is because of the society we live in. Of course, it's very expensive--and therefore frustrating--when you have to deal with things like increasingly high tuition costs for increasingly little return, which is mainly the fault of the state. The state also removes children from the parents most of the day, placing them in prison-like indoctrination camps called schools, which tends to turn them antisocial, unintellectual, and isolated from their families (and, of course, the parents were brought up in those schools to). For complex reasons, you have high divorce rates, broken families, and custody battles. You have the news media constantly making parents irrationally fearful of all and sundry harms befalling their children, driving them to obsessive paranoia. Meanwhile, social security and entitlement programs render children much less of an economic "investment" then they used to be.
So put it all together and of course it seems like having children is an irrational frustration in empirical studies. But can these studies measure emotional fulfillment? No. And the proof is in the pudding. People keep having children because they want, and they keep keeping their children, sometimes going to great lengths to do so. As the rationalistic method of praxeology tells us, they do this because having, keeping, and raising children satisfies the parents' subjective desires, which, sadly for the empiricists, can't be measured as a statistic.
And it is still a good non-economic investment. Have you ever witnessed the death of an elderly person? Who's always gathered beside their bedside? Their adult children, assuming they raised them with love and care. Who's beside the bedside of dying childless old man or woman? If their lucky, their nieces and nephews.
ChaosControl
03-08-2011, 10:20 AM
Rather disgusting in my opinion to equate a child with an investment.
Seriously, people are way too obsessed with money.
wildfirepower
03-08-2011, 10:33 AM
Kids are not worthless. But investment in kids maybe risky when there is no guarantee for world economy and human survival.
moostraks
03-08-2011, 10:58 AM
Compulsory education means your 12 siblings probably ran us $50,000-$100,000 a year in public education, and that is offloading a tremendous amount of responsibility on the part of the parents. Kids do cost money, but it is very hard to determine just how much. In the long run, kids will grow up to contribute to the economy and we will be better off than before. In the short run, they are like a tax that just goes into a vault.
You are making the assumption that all children are educated through the public venue. I pay for my children to be educated at home AND I pay to the tax trough for all those who use the government daycare centers. Those who are educated outside of the government program are a better investment to those who are rearing them (emotionally speaking).
We have taken a good deal of trash through the years for our choice of a large family so we sarcastically call our children our retirement plan. We raise them to be self sustaining adults and the benefit for us is the time we have today as a family. This is why it frustrates me to see parents spend the years they should have with their children as taxi drivers and social co-ordinators. It perverts what should be a time of bonding and strengthening of family ties.
The government sees them as the village property and has an agenda to make the children beneficial to the community. It takes a village to raise a child is as logical as it takes a village to bake a cake. You have too many cooks in the kitchen...
mtj458
03-08-2011, 11:07 AM
Who exactly as having kids as an investment? Might as well start a thread about how my baseball glove and playstation are worthless investments. All of these things are consumer goods. Parents have kids usually because they want to have kids. And regardless of the paranoia and pessimism on this board, now is the safest time ever to bring a kid into this world. People have been doomsaying for thousands of years now and theyve been wrong every time.
Also keep in mind that many things, including intelligence and political views, are largely genetic. If you want a libertarian future, you should be encouraging the people on this board to have more kids, not less.
specsaregood
03-08-2011, 11:10 AM
Who exactly as having kids as an investment?
I dunno, my parents put me to work pretty good. As soon as my kid is able to cook, clean, do laundry, mow the lawn, pull the weeds, etc. i'll have him out there sweating in the noonday sun at childlabor wages while I sit under the back deck sipping a homebrew and "supervising".
erowe1
03-08-2011, 11:19 AM
Other bad investments include: going to church, travelling, learning about a broad range of topics, helping other people (unless they're rich), writing poetry, reading poetry, enjoying a sunset, and supporting losing politicians.
NYgs23
03-08-2011, 11:32 AM
Also keep in mind that many things, including intelligence and political views, are largely genetic. If you want a libertarian future, you should be encouraging the people on this board to have more kids, not less.
Good point. Ideologies that directly or indirectly discourage child-bearing and child-rearing are inherently self-destructive. The fecund will inherent the future.
Anti Federalist
03-08-2011, 11:37 AM
People don't have children for economic reasons, they have children because they love their spouse and want to start a family together.
If you are looking at children as an "Investment" you are confused.
Children are a blessing.
Rather disgusting in my opinion to equate a child with an investment.
Seriously, people are way too obsessed with money.
Glad to see some people around here have their heads screwed on straight.
Not everything in life can be broken down to a Bloomberg analysis chart or dollars and cents.
Sheesh...
specsaregood
03-08-2011, 11:40 AM
Not everything in life can be broken down to a Bloomberg analysis chart or dollars and cents.
Sheesh...
On the otherhand, child labor is an american tradition.
Kids only became a bad investment after the invention of the welfare state I think, im pretty sure that before the welfare state was invented having children was a good way to ensure you would have a comfortable old age since children would actually have excess purchasing power to help you because their purchasing power was not being stolen from them in order to pay for all the elderly people that were too lazy to bother having children.
So basicly 100 years ago children might cost a good deal of money in the start but in the long run you would get alot of money back because you wouldnt have to save as much for old age.
erowe1
03-08-2011, 11:54 AM
Kids only became a bad investment after the invention of the welfare state I think, im pretty sure that before the welfare state was invented having children was a good way to ensure you would have a comfortable old age since children would actually have excess purchasing power to help you because their purchasing power was not being stolen from them in order to pay for all the elderly people that were too lazy to bother having children.
So basicly 100 years ago children might cost a good deal of money in the start but in the long run you would get alot of money back because you wouldnt have to save as much for old age.
Good point.
At first I thought the claim was just stupid. Now I think it might be more insidious than that. If kids are a bad investment for parents at the micro level, then it would stand to reason that they're also a bad investment for the nation at the macro level. Sounds like something from China.
aravoth
03-08-2011, 12:12 PM
There are some things you cannot put a price on.
exactly. It's hilarious to see market analytics applied to raising a child. I have two children. My son was born with a genetic condition called "congenital insensitivity to pain", which is a mutation of the SCN9A gene, which is responsible for building a very specific type of sodium ion channel in the cells, which is a gateway that disperses a signal to the brain that painful stimuli has occurred. In my son, that gateway, does not open. Because of that, he bares no response to painful stimuli.
The above resulted in multiple fractures, serious injuries during "normal" play time. Using his tongue as a teething toy (he almost chewed it completely off once).
The amount of money, hardship, and legal battles his condition alone has cost our family is absolutely staggering. Yet, measured against his magnificent personality, his smile, and how much he loves his family, those costs are nothing.
I suppose someone could look at the amount of money invested in his well being and say that on paper he was a bad investment. But at the end of the day, if that person were to spend just one hour with him, I'd think they'd find that there, in fact, is no better investment a parent can make.
ARealConservative
03-08-2011, 12:26 PM
you have one life to live.
how do you set the price on experiencing such a huge aspect of life? without having kids, you don't truly experience the emotion of love to its fullest. the love you have for a spouse, a parent, or a pet is infantile in comparison.
no, kids are not a sound investment, but they are an extremely affordable ride, and the best ride you will ever go on.
jclay2
03-08-2011, 12:47 PM
Statement: Kids are a horrible investment financially.
Response: General population does not reproduce.
Effect: No kids to take care of said population once they are older.
What a bunch of ****ing morons.
jclay2
03-08-2011, 12:49 PM
Good point.
At first I thought the claim was just stupid. Now I think it might be more insidious than that. If kids are a bad investment for parents at the micro level, then it would stand to reason that they're also a bad investment for the nation at the macro level. Sounds like something from China.
Yes, that is where they want to go with this. One child policy and negative population growth. Remember people are pollutants that should be exterminated in the mind of the nwo.
Original_Intent
03-08-2011, 12:52 PM
"Dear, what do you say? Shall we add a couple of kids to the portfolio?" :rolleyes:
amy31416
03-08-2011, 01:00 PM
I, for one, am having a kid for the massive income potential. :p
Just you wait until my girl is the next Miley Cyrus or Lindsay Lohan and ya have to eat your words...cuz that's what it's all about. The benjamins....and I won't have to waste my money on all that pesky schooling, I'll just cough up 10g's for the boob implants at age 15, maybe another 2k for the braces or miscellaneous cosmetic work, and, of course, some cash for the hooker clothes.
Now that's a bargain.
Fox McCloud
03-08-2011, 01:01 PM
exactly. It's hilarious to see market analytics applied to raising a child. I have two children. My son was born with a genetic condition called "congenital insensitivity to pain", which is a mutation of the SCN9A gene, which is responsible for building a very specific type of sodium ion channel in the cells, which is a gateway that disperses a signal to the brain that painful stimuli has occurred. In my son, that gateway, does not open. Because of that, he bares no response to painful stimuli.
The above resulted in multiple fractures, serious injuries during "normal" play time. Using his tongue as a teething toy (he almost chewed it completely off once).
The amount of money, hardship, and legal battles his condition alone has cost our family is absolutely staggering. Yet, measured against his magnificent personality, his smile, and how much he loves his family, those costs are nothing.
I suppose someone could look at the amount of money invested in his well being and say that on paper he was a bad investment. But at the end of the day, if that person were to spend just one hour with him, I'd think they'd find that there, in fact, is no better investment a parent can make.
Well, I know what an Austrian economist would say about the situation--they'd say economics is value free and that value is in itself subjective...in your situation, it would be argued; you value your child (and/or things attached to him) more than the resources invested in keeping him alive and well.
So there is economics at hand here, but it's not as silly as some others have mentioned.
ARealConservative
03-08-2011, 01:09 PM
Yes, that is where they want to go with this. One child policy and negative population growth. Remember people are pollutants that should be exterminated in the mind of the nwo.
who is "they"
the author is homosexual, so the article is simply sour grapes IMO.
Dreamofunity
03-08-2011, 01:26 PM
Some economists only think in price (or dollar) terms, and not value. Value is subjective. Many people gain much more in value from having children than what they pay in.
tangent4ronpaul
03-08-2011, 02:19 PM
I, for one, am having a kid for the massive income potential. :p
Just you wait until my girl is the next Miley Cyrus or Lindsay Lohan and ya have to eat your words...cuz that's what it's all about. The benjamins....and I won't have to waste my money on all that pesky schooling, I'll just cough up 10g's for the boob implants at age 15, maybe another 2k for the braces or miscellaneous cosmetic work, and, of course, some cash for the hooker clothes.
Now that's a bargain.
Both of those girls are pretty fucked up because of the fame.
Lindsay definitely does not have implants and I'm pretty sure Miley doesn't either.
amy31416
03-08-2011, 02:28 PM
Both of those girls are pretty fucked up because of the fame.
Lindsay definitely does not have implants and I'm pretty sure Miley doesn't either.
Uhh...that wasn't the point...and how would you "definitely" know (and why would you care) whether or not either one has implants?
(Somehow I knew that'd get a comment.)
I was waiting for someone to swoop in and claim that Time Magazine is NWO sponsored and would love parents to stop having kids. OMG, maybe there is a conspiracy to get all of those intelligent people to stop having kids so only the uneducated can continue having copious amounts of kids, then they take over the world by default in two generations. Oh conspiracies...you explain everything.
wildfirepower
03-09-2011, 06:13 AM
5,200 Pentagon Employees Purchased Child Porn. Search in google for "european sex videos" and similar words and you will understand why "human beings are breeding like rats".
Police arrest 16 in twisted gang rape of 11-year-old girl in Cleveland, Texas; more arrests possible
More than a dozen teens and men are believed to be involved in the nightmarish gang rape of an 11-year-old girl in Texas.
At least 16 people, ranging in age from 14 to 27, have been arrested in the past four months in the small town of Cleveland, 50 miles northeast of Houston.
The most recent came Friday, when police busted four high school students. Authorities believe more arrests are likely.
"There have been leads during our investigation that have alerted us to other possible persons of interest," Cleveland Assistant Police Chief Darrell Broussard told CNN. "The investigation is ongoing."
The girl, whose name has not been released because of her age, told police at least 20 people attacked her last Thanksgiving. The vicious assult was caught on camera and video, authorities said.
The macabre attack began when 19-year-old Timothy Ellis lured the girl out of her home and asked if she wanted to go "riding around," according to a police officer's statement obtained by the Houston Chronicle.
Cops said he took her to an empty house and forced her to strip under threat of violence. Several other men showed up and each raped her.
The sickos then took the 11-year-old to an abandoned trailer, where they continued to have sex with her, as well as use cell phones to take pictures and record video.
"These guys knew she was in middle school," the girl's mother, identified only as Maria, told reporters. "You could tell whenever you talked to her. She still loves stuffed teddy bears."
The video quickly went viral, sparking arrests after the teens in it were recognized by fellow students. The victim, described as a troubled young girl, was also recognized by several people.
See pictures of suspects here.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/03/08/2011-03-08_police_arrest_16_in_gang_rape_of_11yearold_girl _in_cleveland_texas.html#ixzz1G6B3r5Tz
wildfirepower
03-09-2011, 09:36 AM
The girl, told police at least 20 people attacked her last Thanksgiving. The vicious assult was caught on camera and video, authorities said.Cops said he took her to an empty house and forced her to strip under threat of violence. Several other men showed up and each raped her.
The sickos then took the 11-year-old to an abandoned trailer, where they continued to have sex with her, as well as use cell phones to take pictures and record video.
Animals are 1000 times better than these useless human beings and people shoot and kill animals if animals kill or injure people
Pornography is usually a huge factor that influenced motives behind these actions.
Online porn contributed to gang rape: counsellor
A women's rape counsellor says online mainstream pornography bears some of the responsibility for the recent brutal gang rape of a 16-year-old girl and the immediate, widespread online distribution of pictures of the attack.
The attack happened at a Pitt Meadows, B.C. teenage rave party, and graphic photos were distributed across Facebook and other social media sites. Police said they were shocked at posted comments that disparaged the victim and suggested she cooperated in the attack. The photos and abusive comments continue to be distributed through social media.
Related: Police disgusted by photo sharing of rave gang-rape
"The proliferation of pornography on the internet makes it much more acceptable for the degradation of women and the rape of women to appear on Facebook," said Daisy Kler, spokeswoman for Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter.
"I think that's a new phenomenon. Much of the pornography available to kids on the internet is depictions of women being violently raped…and I think the acceptability of that kind of depiction of degrading women has influenced the acceptability of rape and sexual assault portrayed on Facebook."
Police believe the girl was drugged and raped by several teenage boys some time on Friday night or Saturday morning. Maple Ridge RCMP have charged one youth with production of child pornography for allegedly photographing the gang rape and distributing the extremely graphic images. Police say those pictures made their way onto sites such as Facebook, and have also been distributed widely on Blackberrys and iPhones, making it difficult for police to curtail.
Cpl. Jennifer Hyland said police are appealing to the public to cooperate with their efforts to stop the distribution of the images.
"Anybody who has possession of these photos needs to be aware it is child pornography," said Hyland. "They have to delete them and take them off [their phone or computer] and tell anybody they know who is sending them to stop doing that. They could very well be criminally charged for posting and distributing child pornography."
Kler said kids start watching pornography -- much of it degrading toward women -- at a younger age.
"I do know that the average age kids view pornography for the first time is between the ages of 9 and 11," Kler said.
"The whole mythology sold to men and the fantasy perpetuated through most pornography is how women are willing participants who really love sex and really want five men having sex with them. That is a predominant image and theory that's being put out by pornography."
Kler also commended the victim and called on the girl's friends to support her through a traumatic ordeal.
"This young woman is a very, very brave young woman and we really call on her community and other young women in her life to stand beside her. We ask that they not contribute to any discussion about her character, her personality, or anything like that. This is the time to stand up and speak out about violence against women and girls, and to be showing that it is a crime."
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100916/bc_rape_counsellor_100916/20100916?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
ChaosControl
03-09-2011, 10:01 AM
Police arrest 16 in twisted gang rape of 11-year-old girl in Cleveland, Texas; more arrests possible
I really hate the human species. Those sickos need to be thrown into shark infested waters. They pretty much committed the most evil act a "human" can, they no longer deserve rights.
wildfirepower
03-09-2011, 09:11 PM
Animals are 1000 times better than these useless human beings and people shoot and kill animals if animals kill or injure people
Pornography is usually a huge factor that influenced motives behind these actions.Online porn contributed to gang rape: counsellor
Just destroy these useless human beings. Throw/feed them to the Crocodiles, Lions, Tigers, Sharks. Many millions of prey animals will be saved because dangerous animals will feed on these useless human beings. Animals are waiting out there for these useless people. Burn their dead bodies. Rest in Peace.
Posted in Muslim forum:
Poster 1: Pornography is usually a huge factor that influenced motives behind these actions.The liberal west in general has a sick and morbid obsession with group sex.Muslims are also picking up on the porno culture as it exists underground and openly in some Muslim countries.
Poster 2: I just hope they don't save the criminals by calling this sick and twisted crime as freedom of action ...
Poster 3: In America, not listening to your parents is called liberalism and parents who impose restrictions on their children are 'violators of basic human rights'. Or am I over-exaggerating?
Poster 4: u under exaggerated it , they even got child services that kids can call if ur parents make u eat ur vegetables.
Poster 5: And inspite of all the strict Laws , heinous crimes are only on the increase in America .
Poster 6: So seems like Liberal democracy is a big time failure and is no where close to the Ideal system Mankind needs .
Poster 7: yes they should but in the US , they would get away with like what 3 years maximum? ... while in a sharia court its certainly death with the harshest form.
wildfirepower
03-09-2011, 09:33 PM
I really hate the human species.
Love animals. They will protect you. Keep a big dog with you. He will protect you always.
Baptist
03-09-2011, 09:45 PM
Compulsory education means your 12 siblings probably ran us $50,000-$100,000 a year in public education, and that is offloading a tremendous amount of responsibility on the part of the parents. Kids do cost money, but it is very hard to determine just how much. In the long run, kids will grow up to contribute to the economy and we will be better off than before. In the short run, they are like a tax that just goes into a vault.
Homeschooled FTW. Didn't cost you anything.
AFPVet
03-09-2011, 10:19 PM
If my kid talked about college, I would tell him/her to join the Air Guard lol. Honestly, I don't think that it's a bad deal to serve >3 years and get your college, books paid and get a housing stipend. If I did a tour in the regular component, he/she can do a weekend warrior stint.
crazyfacedjenkins
03-09-2011, 10:28 PM
If my kid wants a college education I'll just pay for it like my parents did. It's a real asshole thing, and very typical of stupid grunts, to make someone work a shit job and waste their time when they should be studying. And everyone wonders why the rest of the world is blazing past us pumping out 10x as many scientists a year.
AFPVet
03-09-2011, 10:34 PM
If my kid wants a college education I'll just pay for it like my parents did. It's a real asshole thing, and very typical of stupid grunts, to make someone work a shit job and waste their time when they should be studying. And everyone wonders why the rest of the world is blazing past us pumping out 10x as many scientists a year.
Actually, the Air Force gave me 43 semester credits and I transferred in as a sophomore—not to mention receiving law enforcement certification—all the while paying up to $52,000 in education benefits.
South Park Fan
03-09-2011, 11:04 PM
If one were to take this author's argument seriously, one would have to reach either two conclusions. If it is truly a poor economic decision for people to have children, then we should all be better off if everybody on the planet did not have kids. However, that would lead to a severe labor shortage in the short run and the extinction of the species in the long run, neither of which would be beneficial to the economy. Even if one were to assume that children are a public good, that one benefits from other people having kids but not themselves, and even if one assumed that children provide no benefit to offset their supposed economic burden, that person would be left with no heirs, and thus it would be everyone else who benefits from that person not having children. Therefore, this argument makes a typical fallacy by assuming economics is a zero-sum game.
daviddee
03-10-2011, 01:32 AM
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