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Chase
03-06-2011, 09:12 PM
Mr. Beck, a conservative Jeremiah and talk-radio phenomenon, burst into television prominence in 2009 by taking the forsaken 5 p.m. slot on Fox News and turning it into a juggernaut. A conjurer of conspiracies who spotted sedition everywhere he looked, Mr. Beck struck a big chord and ended up on the cover of Time magazine and The New York Times Magazine, and held rallies all over the country that were mobbed with acolytes. He achieved unheard-of ratings, swamped the competition and at times seemed to threaten the dominion of Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity at Fox.

But a funny thing happened on the way from the revolution. Since last August, when he summoned more than 100,000 followers to the Washington mall for the “Restoring Honor” rally, Mr. Beck has lost over a third of his audience on Fox — a greater percentage drop than other hosts at Fox. True, he fell from the great heights of the health care debate in January 2010, but there has been worrisome erosion — more than one million viewers — especially in the younger demographic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/business/media/07carr.html?_r=1&src=busln

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 09:17 PM
The New York Times

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nate-ForLiberty
03-06-2011, 09:17 PM
if we had a graph of Beck's viewership and Alex Jones's viewership, I wonder if we'd see two lines going in the opposite direction.

emazur
03-06-2011, 09:26 PM
He had a good TV show in '09 - explored lots of libertarian ideas and had lots of libertarian guests. Later in the year he started spending the entire show every day of the week on stupid Van Jones - hell I don't like him either but I don't want to spend an hour every day on small potatoes like him. Right around that time he stopped having guests on, focused not so much on libertarian stuff, and it became The Glenn Beck Hour Monologue Show. Sorry, by himself he's just not that interesting. Now I'll only watch him if I hear he's doing one of his specials - the one last year about the black founding fathers for instance was good.

I never liked his radio show - waaaay too much time just shootin' the bull and saying nothing of substance or value, and his sidekicks are fools.

Best daily guy is Judge Nap, best weekly guy is Stossel, and best radio guy is Jason Lewis.

Orgoonian
03-06-2011, 09:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foiEXYHxGKY

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 09:33 PM
Judge Napolitano has done an excellent job on shifting Glenn Beck away from his previous Pro-War, Pro-Torture, Pro-PATRIOT Act viewpoints.


Judge Napolitano: I converted Glenn Beck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6cXj0Iz7FI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pgn55H3XLw

Glenn Beck: I was Stupid for Supporting the PATRIOT Act
http://www.dailypaul.com/127675/glenn-beck-just-said-he-was-stupid-to-support-the-patriot-act-in-the-past

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Glenn Beck Recapitulates The John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6372-glenn-beck-recapitulates-the-john-birch-society

Glenn Beck Zeros In on the Council on Foreign Relations' Role in Media Bias
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6412-glenn-beck-zeroes-in-on-cfrs-role-in-press-bias

Glenn Beck Discovers Carroll Quigley! - False Paradigm of Political Parties
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6441-beck-uses-quigley-quote-about-political-parties

Glenn Beck Discovers 'Philip Dru: Administrator' by Colonel Edward Mandell House
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6405-glenn-beck-discovers-philip-dru-administrator

Glenn Beck: History Vindicated Joe McCarthy
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3876-glenn-beck-history-vindicated-joe-mccarthy

Beck's Founders' Fridays Attempts to Undo Revisionists' Damage
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3678-becks-founders-fridays-attempts-to-undo-revisionists-damage

Glenn Beck exposes the Progressive Movement, Woodrow Wilson, and the Federal Reserve
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257099

Chester Copperpot
03-06-2011, 09:43 PM
if we had a graph of Beck's viewership and Alex Jones's viewership, I wonder if we'd see two lines going in the opposite direction.

or the same pattern with judge nap's show

tangent4ronpaul
03-06-2011, 09:49 PM
Bit more of that is worth quoting:

He still has numbers that just about any cable news host would envy and, with about two million viewers a night, outdraws all his competition combined. But the erosion is significant enough that Fox News officials are willing to say — anonymously, of course; they don’t want to be identified as criticizing the talent — that they are looking at the end of his contract in December and contemplating life without Mr. Beck.

On the other side, people who work for Mr. Beck point out that he could live without Fox News. Unlike some other cable hosts, Mr. Beck has a huge multiplatform presence: he has sold around four million books, is near the top of talk-radio ratings, has a growing Web site called The Blaze, along with a stage performance that still packs houses. Forbes estimated that his company, Mercury Radio Arts, had more than $30 million in revenue.
[...]
Many on the news side of Fox have wondered whether his chronic outrageousness — he suggested that the president has “a deep-seated hatred for white people” — have made it difficult for Fox to hang onto its credibility as a news network.
[...]
The problem with “Glenn Beck” is that it has turned into a serial doomsday machine that’s a bummer to watch.
[...]
“What you see on television with Glenn is the real guy,” he added, “and that is a double-edged sword. If he is upset about something, you see it.”
[...]

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In a sense, it would be a shame to loose Beck as he's come around on a lot of Paul's positions and his audience listens to him and often adopt those positions too. That said, it would probably be an overall gain if he did leave FOX, for 2 reasons: A) Another network would probably pick him up, where he could influence a different audience and B) His most likely replacement would probably be the judge. Those two things happening several months before the primaries could change things in our favor.

-t

AGRP
03-06-2011, 09:52 PM
He lost all momentum when he did Perry's dirty work by slimming Medina.

juleswin
03-06-2011, 09:53 PM
This is what happens when you spend a whole hr trying to connect every news story to the muslim brotherhood. But just like AJ, he still has some very insightful and informative news segments so I watch him once in a while

Chase
03-06-2011, 09:59 PM
He lost all momentum when he did Perry's dirty work by slimming Medina.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but he lost me during that incident...

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 09:59 PM
if we had a graph of Beck's viewership and Alex Jones's viewership, I wonder if we'd see two lines going in the opposite direction.

Alexa ranking for Infowars 2276

Alexa ranking for The Blaze 2971

lynnf
03-06-2011, 10:00 PM
if we had a graph of Beck's viewership and Alex Jones's viewership, I wonder if we'd see two lines going in the opposite direction.

yes, definitely. since Beck copies Alex, why not cut out the middleman and just go
straight to the source? LOL

lynn

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 10:02 PM
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but he lost me during that incident...

Debra Media made a critical mistake. Medina danced around the question of whether she was a 9/11 Truther or not.
She should have said: "No. I'm not a 9/11 Truther." Things would have turned out differently.

Teaser Rate
03-06-2011, 10:02 PM
He lost all momentum when he did Perry's dirty work by slimming Medina.

How is Glenn Beck responsible for Medina's incoherent answer to his question? Was asking her that question out of line ?

Chase
03-06-2011, 10:04 PM
Sure. And I bet you could argue that since Beck is in part an entertainer, that she should have expected his reaction. But he was playing games with the liberty movement in my state, and I couldn't help but feel like his attack was entirely premeditated and done to help his buddy Rick Perry.

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 10:07 PM
Sure. And I bet you could argue that since Beck is in part an entertainer, that she should have expected his reaction. But he was playing games with the liberty movement in my state, and I couldn't help but feel like his attack was entirely premeditated and done to help his buddy Rick Perry.

Media Medina should've known Glenn Beck is an anti-9/11 Truther.

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 10:12 PM
Debra Media made a critical mistake. Medina danced around the question of whether she was a 9/11 Truther or not.
She should have said: "No. I'm not a 9/11 Truther." Things would have turned out differently.

And what if that is a lie?

What if she is?

Maybe an equally legitimate response would have been a short and simple answer that the government's story does not add up and that there is nothing new government covering up things like that.

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 10:13 PM
And what if that is a lie?

What if she is?

Debra Medina is NOT a 9/11 Truther.

Inkblots
03-06-2011, 10:22 PM
Debra Medina is NOT a 9/11 Truther.

Indeed. And if she were, Beck's question was even more justified - people have a right to know. I personally couldn't vote for someone who thought 9/11 was a false flag attack, for example. And I would want to know if any candidate I was considering supporting did hold such views.

AGRP
03-06-2011, 10:27 PM
Debra Media made a critical mistake. Medina danced around the question of whether she was a 9/11 Truther or not.
She should have said: "No. I'm not a 9/11 Truther." Things would have turned out differently.

Moot.

Palin went one step further said she wanted an investigation and Beck has yet to slime Palin.

If anyone is the Truther, it's Palin.

Mark37snj
03-06-2011, 10:29 PM
He started getting all preachy and doing religious shows.

FSP-Rebel
03-06-2011, 10:30 PM
Indeed. And if she were, Beck's question was even more justified - people have a right to know. I personally couldn't vote for someone who thought 9/11 was a false flag attack, for example. And I would want to know if any candidate I was considering supporting did hold such views.

I'd rather lend support to someone that isn't a feeder off the govt news. Not sure whether the govt did 911 but it's worthy of Deb to ask some ?s. Love ure avatar and cali must be hard to live in for ya.

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 10:32 PM
Moot.

Palin went one step further said she wanted an investigation and Beck has yet to slime Palin.

If anyone is the Truther, it's Palin.

Wanting an investigation and being a 9/11 Truther are two separate things. Sarah Palin never called 9/11 an "Inside Job"

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 10:39 PM
Indeed. And if she were, Beck's question was even more justified - people have a right to know. I personally couldn't vote for someone who thought 9/11 was a false flag attack, for example. And I would want to know if any candidate I was considering supporting did hold such views.

No?

Why not?

What if it was true?

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 10:42 PM
Debra Medina is NOT a 9/11 Truther.

Then why did she fall all over herself when he asked about it?

Brain farts?

"Are you a wife beater?"

"No, absolutely not, and I'm insulted by the question!"

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 10:44 PM
No? Why not? What if it was true?
What if. What if. What if. If it were true, the evidence is certainly destroyed by now.

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 10:47 PM
Then why did she fall all over herself when he asked about it? Brain farts?


Debra Medina's 9/11 remark pushes campaign off track (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/texas-legislature/headlines/20100211-Debra-Medina-s-9-11-remark-7131.ece)


Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/texas-legislature/headlines/20100211-Debra-Medina-s-9-11-remark-7131.ece)
11 February 2010


Debra Medina:


"I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11," Medina said in a written statement distributed after the interview. "I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way."
...


But during the radio interview, she equivocated when Beck asked her the question in several different ways. At one point, he probed, saying, "is that a yes?" that she believes in some U.S. involvement in the attacks.

"I'm not going to take a position where questions have been raised and not answered," Medina replied.

After she left the radio line, Beck responded that he had expected her to immediately answer "absolutely not."



Again I stress, Debra Medina is NOT a 9/11 Truther.

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 10:47 PM
What if. What if. What if. If it were true, the evidence is certainly destroyed by now.

Oh, by all means, you're right.

No ten year old crimes ever get investigated or solved.

:rolleyes:

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Spin and DC.

Here is what she said on Beck's show:

"I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard," Medina replied. "There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there, so I have not taken a position on that."

That's a reasonable, rational response from somebody who knows what the history of the USG is in this regard.


Debra Medina's 9/11 remark pushes campaign off track (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/texas-legislature/headlines/20100211-Debra-Medina-s-9-11-remark-7131.ece)


Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/texas-legislature/headlines/20100211-Debra-Medina-s-9-11-remark-7131.ece)
11 February 2010


Debra Medina:


"I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11," Medina said in a written statement distributed after the interview. "I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way."
...


But during the radio interview, she equivocated when Beck asked her the question in several different ways. At one point, he probed, saying, "is that a yes?" that she believes in some U.S. involvement in the attacks.

"I'm not going to take a position where questions have been raised and not answered," Medina replied.

After she left the radio line, Beck responded that he had expected her to immediately answer "absolutely not."



Again I stress, Debra Medina is NOT a 9/11 Truther.

specsaregood
03-06-2011, 10:54 PM
Debra Media made a critical mistake. Medina danced around the question of whether she was a 9/11 Truther or not.
She should have said: "No. I'm not a 9/11 Truther." Things would have turned out differently.

How is Glenn Beck responsible for Medina's incoherent answer to his question? Was asking her that question out of line ?

Both of you conveniently leave out all the commenatary he made after she was off the phone and unable to respond. For example comparing her to a hitler supporter. It wasn't the question or answer, it was what he said after the call.

iprice81
03-06-2011, 10:57 PM
That interview was done over the phone. Beck muted his audio where she could not here it. Then talked over her.

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 10:58 PM
Both of you conveniently leave out all the commenatary he made after she was off the phone and unable to respond. For example comparing her to a hitler supporter. It wasn't the question or answer, it was what he said after the call.

True that.

The 15 minutes afterward that he spent bashing her, instead of just leaving it be.

AGRP
03-06-2011, 11:01 PM
True that.

The 15 minutes afterward that he spent bashing her, instead of just leaving it be.

+ the first few minutes before he even gets her on the phone with his condescending tone of voice when he spoke of her.

Beck was lining her up for slaughter way before she got on the phone and he spat on her innards after he was done.

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 11:06 PM
Here is what she said on Beck's show:

"I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard," Medina replied. "There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there, so I have not taken a position on that."

That's a reasonable, rational response from somebody who knows what the history of the USG is in this regard.

Nope, in Politics, that's suicidal.

AGRP
03-06-2011, 11:09 PM
Nope, in Politics, that's suicidal.

Tell us why Beck hasn't slimmed Palin for stating she supported a re-investigation.

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 11:11 PM
Tell us why Beck hasn't slimmed Palin for stating she supported a re-investigation.
Wanting an investigation and being a 9/11 Truther are two separate things. Sarah Palin never called 9/11 an "Inside Job"

AGRP
03-06-2011, 11:13 PM
Wanting an investigation and being a 9/11 Truther are two separate things. Sarah Palin never called 9/11 an "Inside Job"

When did Medina tell Beck 9/11 was an inside job?

FrankRep
03-06-2011, 11:16 PM
When did Medina tell Beck 9/11 was an inside job?

Glenn Beck asked her directly if she thought the US government was involved in 9/11.

Medina: "I have not taken a position on that"


Political Suicide.

Nate-ForLiberty
03-06-2011, 11:18 PM
Glenn Beck asked her directly if she thought the US government was involved in 9/11.

Medina: "I have not taken a position on that"


Political Suicide.

Are you defending Beck's actions here?

AGRP
03-06-2011, 11:20 PM
Glenn Beck asked her directly if she thought the US government was involved in 9/11.

Medina: "I have not taken a position on that"


Political Suicide.

You should probably stick to spamming articles/links and brush up on the debating skills.

specsaregood
03-06-2011, 11:26 PM
Glenn Beck asked her directly if she thought the US government was involved in 9/11.

Medina: "I have not taken a position on that"
Political Suicide.

No, what is Political Homocide was Glenn Beck equating, "some good questions have been raised"(Medina) with "Hitler had some good ideas"(Beck).

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 11:29 PM
Nope, in Politics, that's suicidal.

Then maybe the conversation ought to be why that is, and not so much what Debra Medina thinks about an issue.

We're in the mess we are in precisely because so many things are "political suicide" to talk about.

TCE
03-06-2011, 11:34 PM
It is obvious Beck was setting her up. He wanted ratings and got them, so mission accomplished. Did he ask Kay Bailey Hutchison or Rick Perry if they were? I don't think so. Yes, Medina answered that just about the worst way a non-truther could, but Beck was licking his chops to set her up. Listening to the audio, it is likely Beck muted his audio to make her look even worse. Even one of the North Texas radio stations claimed they were pretty sure that is what Beck did. Medina said in interviews after that she didn't hear him.

In conclusion: Medina screwed up big time, but Beck was setting her up to mess up.

speciallyblend
03-06-2011, 11:37 PM
beck2012.com seems more inline for beck threads!!

Feeding the Abscess
03-07-2011, 03:25 AM
Are you defending Beck's actions here?

Of course he is, Beck is reciting McManus' talking points to a t.

Zatch
03-07-2011, 05:41 AM
Glenn Beck was a douche to his callers too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu_oE3dfIE

Zatch
03-07-2011, 05:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWvKlCTFsPo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhiWrLXbnw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr8EPYcLmvQ

Nate-ForLiberty
03-07-2011, 05:57 AM
Glenn Beck was a douche to his callers too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu_oE3dfIE


Does anything more need to be said here?

We tried to warn people, "Glen Beck is honey honey poison. He'll torpedo our efforts."
What did we hear in reply, "Glen Beck gets the message of liberty out to a large audience."
What happened, Glen Beck torpedoed the most important political race of 2010.

Yes, even more important than Rand Paul. Why??? As Governor of Texas, Medina could have closed the Texas-Mexico border, nullified unconstitutional federal laws, used the Texas National Guard to defend Texans from federal government force. It would have been a massive step in the right direction.

Instead, we have Rick Perry for another 4 years (he'll be the longest serving governor in Texas history). Debra Medina didn't lose Texas. Glen Beck didn't lose Texas for Debra Medina.

WE FUCKING LOST TEXAS BECAUSE WE WERE STUPID!

YOU THINK HE WON'T DO THIS SHIT AGAIN!? YOU THINK HE WON'T TORPEDO RON PAUL?!?!

IT'S TIME TO GET THIS SOCIOPATH OFF THE AIR AND INTO AN ASYLUM!! :mad:


It is so sad that some smart people, good people , ON THIS FORUM NO LESS, still get behind and defend this fuck. It just goes to show that no matter how "awake" you think you are, there is always something you are hiding from.

xd9fan
03-07-2011, 06:03 AM
It cant be because he is a neocon.......that cant be it.....

libertarian4321
03-07-2011, 06:41 AM
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but he lost me during that incident...

As a Texan and Medina supporter, I don't blame him for that debacle. Medina just did not handle that rather obvious question well.

However, Glenn Beck is a demagogue who blows with the political winds. He does what he thinks will gain him the most support/listeners.

in other words, he is a political whore.

Glenn Beck is an unprincipled political whore who will say or do whatever he thinks will get him the best ratings. As long as you remember that when watching his show, you will be okay.

libertarian4321
03-07-2011, 06:52 AM
In conclusion: Medina screwed up big time, but Beck was setting her up to mess up.

Medina fucked up, period.

She was trying to dance along the line between rationality and trutherism, and she just plain fucked up. When i heard her on the radio, I almost drove my truck off the road and into a tree. At that point she should have just ditched the "truthers" and said that "trutherism" was idiotic. She failed to do so and was rightly (and understandably) vilified for it.

It's fine to just give the truthers a wink and a nod when at a RP rally- these people are nuts, but they work hard. But if you are running for office, it's political strychnine to be seen supporting (or even seeming to support ) trutherism.

payme_rick
03-07-2011, 07:05 AM
I don't think anyone here can deny Medina screwed up her answer, but it was a set-up from the start...

Does anyone remember what Glenn said sometime before the interview? Something to the effect of "Well, I haven't heard about her 'til our meetings this morning..."? When in the hell does Glenn Beck just "roll" with an interview?

Fact is we hammered Glenn's email, Pat's email, Stu's email and hell, the webmaster of his site's email for a couple of weeks... You think it was just us? No, the Perry-bots here in Texas were all over those email accounts also... Before that day it was impossible for Glenn to not know who Debra Medina was... I believe Pat Gray was frusterated with us at least a week prior, emailing a few of us back, pretty sure he mentioned it to Glenn about it once or twice...

One of the things it took my a while to click to was about week before, on Pat Gray's previous station in Houston, the host of the evening show (who owns the station and is State Senator Dan Patrick, big Perry supporter in the state senate) did a similar deal to a tea-party guy where he set that guy up... Coincidence that Pat Gray's previous employer who is big in with Perry did an almost parralell stunt just before Beck's? I don't think so...

Let's all face it, guys, Rick Perry expressed worry about Debra Medina so his buddy Texas State Senator Dan Patrick got ahold of his previous employee Pat Gray and asked if he and Beck could get Medina on and slam her... and Medina helped by not answering the question the best way she could have, which is no surprise seeing that she had probably never been asked that question before...

libertarian4321
03-07-2011, 07:06 AM
Then why did she fall all over herself when he asked about it?

Brain farts?

"Are you a wife beater?"

"No, absolutely not, and I'm insulted by the question!"

She knew that a lot of truthers supported her and RP, so she didn't want to alienate them. In the process, she ended up alienating the overwhelming majority of voters who (rightly) believe "truthers" are bat shit crazy.

She should have answered the question like RP did- not supporting the nutty"truthers," but not alienating them either.

She came off as a "truther" supporter, and that is political suicide. She was DOA as soon as she said it.

Chieppa1
03-07-2011, 08:55 AM
So noone thinks he's losing viewers from the Neo-Con pool?

JK/SEA
03-07-2011, 09:55 AM
So, what is Medina's opinion on 9/11? has she ever said one way or the other, Becks interview aside...

FrankRep
03-07-2011, 10:01 AM
So, what is Medina's opinion on 9/11? has she ever said one way or the other, Becks interview aside...


Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/texas-legislature/headlines/20100211-Debra-Medina-s-9-11-remark-7131.ece)
11 February 2010


Debra Medina:


"I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11," Medina said in a written statement distributed after the interview. "I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way."
...


But during the radio interview, she equivocated when Beck asked her the question in several different ways. At one point, he probed, saying, "is that a yes?" that she believes in some U.S. involvement in the attacks.

"I'm not going to take a position where questions have been raised and not answered," Medina replied.

After she left the radio line, Beck responded that he had expected her to immediately answer "absolutely not."

JK/SEA
03-07-2011, 10:29 AM
Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/texas-legislature/headlines/20100211-Debra-Medina-s-9-11-remark-7131.ece)
11 February 2010


Debra Medina:


"I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11," Medina said in a written statement distributed after the interview. "I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way."
...


But during the radio interview, she equivocated when Beck asked her the question in several different ways. At one point, he probed, saying, "is that a yes?" that she believes in some U.S. involvement in the attacks.

"I'm not going to take a position where questions have been raised and not answered," Medina replied.

After she left the radio line, Beck responded that he had expected her to immediately answer "absolutely not."

Understood. But i was wondering what, if anything, she said before the Beck interview.

Valli6
03-07-2011, 11:59 AM
The thing we have to remember about Medina, is that she had NEVER, EVER spoken about 9/11 prior to Beck asking her that question! It wasn't an issue she had ever addressed, nor were there any rumors about her feelings regarding 911 prior to Beck's set up! So Beck's claims that there were rumors associating her with any kind of 911 truth movement is a lie to begin with! Recall that Medina was shocked that he asked such a question. Beck himself created the rumor with that interview!

We do know however, that in the month or so prior to the interview, some Perry supporter(s) had been trying to tie the "truther" label to medina by posting as a "Medina supporter" ranting about 911. I recall that someone from one of the news organizations where these comments had been posted, actually did an article stating that the same person posting these comments, had previously been posting pro-Perry comments!

So there was an organized effort to smear Medina and Beck knowingly became a part of it. You can say whatever you want about Medina's response, but Beck willfully plotted to smear Medina in order to help Rick Perry win! Beck created the rumor that we are still talking about!

Anti Federalist
03-07-2011, 12:31 PM
In the process, she ended up alienating the overwhelming majority of voters who (rightly) believe "truthers" are bat shit crazy.

This statement is "bat shit crazy"?


"I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard," Medina replied. "There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there, so I have not taken a position on that."

Given all the evidence, all the incidents in the past that are so similar that government has been involved in, that mild statement certifies someone as "bat shit crazy"?

No, it does not.

Only in our current Bizarro World where up is down, freedom is slavery and war is peace, would this statement be considered "bat shit insane".

sailingaway
03-07-2011, 12:38 PM
He's got Rand going on today, which should help his ratings, temporarily.

The 9/11 thing was a set up because she never had anything to do with that. He was trying to get her to 'deny' people who might support her, which is no way to get elected.

But it isn't just that, he turns bad at the key moments his help would actually help, throughout. Still, he educated a bunch of people. Unfortunately, he layered truth in with so much crap it taints the facts to many.

Pistis
03-07-2011, 01:22 PM
Nothing less than Beck wholeheartedly endorsing Ron Paul for president is going to convince me that he has had a change of heart. I bet some here think he's going to endorse Paul too, LOL

eOs
03-07-2011, 01:35 PM
She knew that a lot of truthers supported her and RP, so she didn't want to alienate them. In the process, she ended up alienating the overwhelming majority of voters who (rightly) believe "truthers" are bat shit crazy.

She should have answered the question like RP did- not supporting the nutty"truthers," but not alienating them either.

She came off as a "truther" supporter, and that is political suicide. She was DOA as soon as she said it.

No man, if you believe the 9/11 commission report you're bat shit crazy. If you bundle up all truthers as people who think lazers took down the towers you're bat shit crazy. If you dismiss the truth for fear of being mocked by the political establishment you're bat shit crazy. If you don't do the research for yourself and see that the 9/11 commission report just doesn't add up you're bat shit crazy.

FrankRep
03-07-2011, 02:44 PM
No man, if you believe the 9/11 commission report you're bat shit crazy. If you bundle up all truthers as people who think lazers took down the towers you're bat shit crazy. If you dismiss the truth for fear of being mocked by the political establishment you're bat shit crazy. If you don't do the research for yourself and see that the 9/11 commission report just doesn't add up you're bat shit crazy.

You don't get the point and that is truly sad.

crazyfacedjenkins
03-07-2011, 04:10 PM
I take Michael Scheuer's position on 9/11 and the commission report. It was a whitewash to cover up the massive level of incompetence throughout government. By Beck framing the questions so ambiguous to even include this interpretation and go on mocking it later, he shows his allegiance to the people who pay him. He's a mouthpiece for this corrupted government, anybody who watches him or thinks his use of propaganda is acceptable must have a fucking lobotomy.

eOs
03-07-2011, 04:18 PM
You don't get the point and that is truly sad.

Yes I do, I see it perfectly clear, I see the game of bullshit politics being played by the same people who criticize the establishment for the very same thing. It's a vicious cycle, I am not playing it.

crazyfacedjenkins
03-07-2011, 04:37 PM
Glenn Beck is horrible at what he does, his acting is pitiful, his reasoning skills are that of a child, he's inconsistent, and just plain lowbrow. His debates are shallow and lack any intellectual depth to make him interesting.

Didn't they pickup that hack doing bottom of the barrel, garbage radio, top-40 nonsense? What the fuck does he know about politics, history, culture, etc?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJkxBLgd5Hs&feature=related

crazyfacedjenkins
03-07-2011, 04:39 PM
More vintage Glenn Beck:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws58s9wzYsA

mac_hine
03-07-2011, 05:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30rD6TqDZek&feature=channel_video_title