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Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 08:43 PM
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., reiterated his call for a U.S.-backed no-fly zone over Libya this morning and called Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi "insane."

In calling for the no-fly zone, McCain told "This Week" anchor Christiane Amanpour, "We can't risk allowing Gadhafi to massacre people from the air, both by helicopter and fixed-wing [aircraft]."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-mccain-gadhafi-insane/story?id=13069590



KABUL, Afghanistan — Afghanistan's president on Sunday rejected a U.S. apology for the mistaken killing of nine Afghan boys in a NATO air attack and said civilian casualties are no longer acceptable.

According to a statement from his office, Hamid Karzai told Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan, that expressing regret was not sufficient in last week's killing of the boys, ages 12 and under, by coalition helicopters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/06/karzai-rejects-us-apology-afghanistan-boys-killed_n_831972.html

civusamericanus
03-06-2011, 09:15 PM
Loved the following comment on the Huffington Post piece.

inonoatama 12 minutes ago (9:41 PM) 49 Fans

Here's the response I would write to Karzai:

Dear President Karzai:

You are correct. This accident is inexcusabl*e. And we are determined never to make a mistake like this again. Effective immediatel*y, the United States of America will be withdrawin*g all of its military and paramilita*ry forces from your nation. In addition, we will end all foreign policy activity in Afghanista*n, which includes the funding of your regime. We wish you the very best of luck in your endeavors, and we deeply regret having interfered in your internal affairs beyond our own need to exact punishment for the 9/11 attacks. Clearly we have far exceeded the parameters of our original mission beyond all reason. As a token of our regret, please accept this hand-carve*d hashish pipe once smoked by George W. Bush when he was a student at Harvard Business School.

Yours truly,
Barack Obama

Teaser Rate
03-06-2011, 09:23 PM
I fail to see the contradiction.

Are you implying that our accidental bombing of Afghan civilians is comparable to Gadhafi intentionally targeting his people ?

Trigonx
03-06-2011, 09:31 PM
I fail to see the contradiction.

Are you implying that our accidental bombing of Afghan civilians is comparable to Gadhafi intentionally targeting his people ?

Innocent people die in both situations.

I hope you were being sarcastic :)

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 09:48 PM
I fail to see the contradiction.

Are you implying that our accidental bombing of Afghan civilians is comparable to Gadhafi intentionally targeting his people ?

He is targeting "rebels against the government".

Our government would "target our own in people" in a heartbeat.

Massacring people by air is massacring people by air.

You either accept that is what you are doing and keep your mouth shut about it, or risk being exposed as hypocrite.

pcosmar
03-06-2011, 09:55 PM
I fail to see the contradiction.

Are you implying that our accidental bombing of Afghan civilians is comparable to Gadhafi intentionally targeting his people ?

The comparison is the intentional bombing of people.
There is nothing accidental in targeting people. There is no right target in a country we don't belong in that has never attacked us.
Period.
:mad:

Teaser Rate
03-06-2011, 09:56 PM
He is targeting "rebels against the government".

Our government would "target our own in people" in a heartbeat.

Why would it do that ?


Massacring people by air is massacring people by air.

You either accept that is what you are doing and keep your mouth shut about it, or risk being exposed as hypocrite.

Are you honestly saying that a cop accidentally shooting a bystander in an effort to stop an armed robbery is the same as a criminal intentionally shooting someone to kill them ?

Koz
03-06-2011, 09:57 PM
McCain should keep his mouth shut and mind his own business. Maybe try to figure out how to cut about 1.7 trillion from the budget for starters.

Teaser Rate
03-06-2011, 09:57 PM
The comparison is the intentional bombing of people.
There is nothing accidental in targeting people. There is no right target in a country we don't belong in that has never attacked us.
Period.
:mad:

I don't want to start sounding like Giuliani, but did you forget about 9/11 ?

pcosmar
03-06-2011, 09:58 PM
He is targeting "rebels against the government".

Our government would "target our own in people" in a heartbeat.

Massacring people by air is massacring people by air.

You either accept that is what you are doing and keep your mouth shut about it, or risk being exposed as hypocrite.

They have. (see Waco)
And likely will again.

pcosmar
03-06-2011, 10:03 PM
I don't want to start sounding like Giuliani, but did you forget about 9/11 ?

Fuck You (you do sound like a ghoul )
The people, the tribesmen (women and children) Had nothing to do with 9/11.
Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11.

None of the attackers were from there (and they were ALL dead).
Osama isn't even there.(if he even was)

Teaser Rate
03-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Fuck You (you do sound like a ghoul )
The people, the tribesmen (women and children) Had nothing to do with 9/11.
Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11.

None of the attackers were from there (and they were ALL dead).
Osama isn't even there.(if he even was)

First of all, you don't know where Osama is.

Secondly, the Taliban did harbor Al Qaeda before 9/11. Yes it sucks for the people who had nothing to do with it, but Afghanistan's government was directly responsible for an attack on US soil, and we had every right to go after them. (see Ron Paul's vote on the matter)

Thirdly, you can stretch the innocent people logic to argue that we shouldn't have gone into Berlin because most Germans weren't responsible for the holocaust. I'm sorry that's not how the world works, rightly or wrongly, the people are held responsible for the actions of their government and unfortunately for the Afghan people, their leaders picked the wrong horse in Osama Bin Laden.

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 10:18 PM
Why would it do that ?

WTF?

Read some history.

Start with the Whiskey Rebellion and work forward to today to get an understanding how many times the US government has turned it's guns on the US people, because they were "enemies of the state".


Are you honestly saying that a cop accidentally shooting a bystander in an effort to stop an armed robbery is the same as a criminal intentionally shooting someone to kill them ?

Are you honestly comparing a cop shooting at armed robbers during the active commission of a crime to NATO missiles and drone attacks incinerating people 10 years after the fact.

Danke
03-06-2011, 10:21 PM
Secondly, the Taliban did harbor Al Qaeda before 9/11. Yes it sucks for the people who had nothing to do with it, but Afghanistan's government was directly responsible for an attack on US soil, and we had every right to go after them.

The Taliban condemned the 9/11 attacks. They were willing to hand Osama over but wanted us to provide proof of his involvement first.

McBell
03-06-2011, 10:33 PM
I don't want to start sounding like Giuliani, but did you forget about 9/11 ?
*headdesk*

Anti Federalist
03-06-2011, 10:33 PM
First of all, you don't know where Osama is.

Osama bin laden is dead.

This was confirmed by Benazir Bhutto in November of 2007.

Bhutto claimed that a man named Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh is "the man who murdered Osama bin Laden."

Of course, she was dead the next month, in an "inside job" assisination.

Who is Omar Sheik?

Why, this guy:


On October 6, 2001, a senior-level U.S. government official told CNN that U.S. investigators had discovered Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh (Sheik Syed), using the alias "Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad" had sent about $100,000 from the United Arab Emirates to Mohammed Atta. Investigators said Atta then distributed the funds to conspirators in Florida in the weeks before the deadliest acts of terrorism on U.S. soil that destroyed the World Trade Center, heavily damaged the Pentagon and left thousands dead. In addition, sources have said Atta sent thousands of dollars -- believed to be excess funds from the operation -- back to Saeed in the United Arab Emirates in the days before September 11. CNN later confirmed this. ... More than a month after the money transfer was discovered, the head of ISI, General Mahmoud Ahmad resigned from his position. It was reported that the FBI was investigating the possibility that Gen. Ahmed ordered Saeed Sheikh to send the $100,000 to Atta; there were also claims that Indian intelligence had already produced proof for the Pakistani administration that this was so. The Wall Street Journal was one of the only Western news organizations to follow up on the story.

Who is General Mahmoud Ahmad that is tied into all this?

Why, it's this guy:


General Mahmud was known to visit the United States regularly during his time as the head of ISI consulting senior officials in the U.S. administration in the weeks before and after 9/11. In fact, he was with Republican Congressman Porter Goss and Democratic Senator Bob Graham in Washington, discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast, when the attacks of September 11, 2001 happened.

On October 9, 2001, The Times of India reported that "US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohamed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen. Mahmud," and although no evidence has been officially recognized, the Wall Street Journal and other media outlets have reported on this alleged connection.

doodle
03-07-2011, 12:08 AM
I fail to see the contradiction.

Are you implying that our accidental bombing of Afghan civilians is comparable to Gadhafi intentionally targeting his people ?

How will Mccain respond to this shootong, what is your best guess?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qWADMfQnQ&feature=related

Or various Israeli bombings of innocent civilians in Gaza?

Feeding the Abscess
03-07-2011, 03:14 AM
Secondly, the Taliban did harbor Al Qaeda before 9/11. Yes it sucks for the people who had nothing to do with it, but Afghanistan's government was directly responsible for an attack on US soil, and we had every right to go after them. (see Ron Paul's vote on the matter)


The authorization to go into Afghanistan was not meant for the government of Afghanistan; it was meant for those responsible for 9/11. Ron has said numerous times that he would vote no on the resolution now, knowing that it was used as justification for an invasion/occupation/nation building project.

pcosmar
03-07-2011, 08:30 AM
First of all, you don't know where Osama is.

Secondly, the Taliban did harbor Al Qaeda before 9/11. Yes it sucks for the people who had nothing to do with it, but Afghanistan's government was directly responsible for an attack on US soil, and we had every right to go after them. (see Ron Paul's vote on the matter)

Thirdly, you can stretch the innocent people logic to argue that we shouldn't have gone into Berlin because most Germans weren't responsible for the holocaust. I'm sorry that's not how the world works, rightly or wrongly, the people are held responsible for the actions of their government and unfortunately for the Afghan people, their leaders picked the wrong horse in Osama Bin Laden.

Firstly, The Taliban did not "Harbor" Bin Ladin. He was simply a guy living there. And they offered to turn him over if any evidence of his involvement was shown.

The "people" didn't pick any horse. Some are reacting to the invasion of their country in an understandable manner. They are fighting the invaders.

It amazes me the mental gymnastics that some go through to justify the murder of civilians in a foreign land.
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