H240 NC Intrastate Commerce Act is FILED!

[GunnyFreedom]

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2011&BillID=H240

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188827_10150153611083274_650733273_8004454_6854583 _n.jpg

Calling the GOP back to it's roots indeed. This is what happens when a Ron Pauler ends up in the State House -- you get scary bills like H241 NC Firearms Freedom Act (http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2011&BillID=H241)and H240 NC Intrastate Commerce Act (http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2011&BillID=H240).

Let's elect more Paulers!! :D :D :D

[Cowlesy]

+Billion Rep -- wtg!

[Anti Federalist]

+Billion Rep -- wtg!

Agreed.

+unlimited rep

[eduardo89]

How do we really know what's on those papers? :p

[tpreitzel]

I see the potential for a future senator from the state of NC actually being APPOINTED by the NC state legislature to serve in the US Senate! ;)

I'm curious about the definition of "official". From the wording, I assume that representatives and senators elected by the people of NC to serve in the US Congress are exempted from the penalties. Hopefully, I'm wrong. If ANYONE should be held accountable for violating the intent of the Commerce Clause, it's the critters in the US Congress.

[GunnyFreedom]

How do we really know what's on those papers? :p

Here are the links to the bills themselves:

North Carolina Intrastate Commerce Act (http://ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2011&BillID=H240)

North Carolina Firearms Freedom Act (http://ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2011&BillID=H241)

and there you can pore over every word ;)

[eduardo89]

Here are the links to the bills themselves:

North Carolina Intrastate Commerce Act (http://ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2011&BillID=H240)

North Carolina Firearms Freedom Act (http://ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2011&BillID=H241)

and there you can pore over every word ;)


Don't think I was doubting you! Thanks for the links though, I'll look over them...just in case... :p

[GunnyFreedom]

Nobody is exempted, other than by the nonbinding clause of Art1 Sec5 of the NC Constitution. I don't understand how the conclusion came to be. The remedy (penalty) section applies to anybody seeking to enforce Federal law or regulation against the provisions of this act.

[tpreitzel]

Hopefully, Article 1 Section 5 of NC's Constitution will be so amended.

Personally, I want someone, ANYONE in a state to put TEETH behind their words. In other words, we, the people, need to put the fear of the Constitution back into the minds of "officials". We don't need another "official" flippantly thumbing their nose at ANY Constitution as just a "g-damned piece of paper" without severe penalties.... ever!

[osan]

Excellent.

Nobody can accuse you of being a slow starter.

[osan]

Hopefully, Article 1 Section 5 of NC's Constitution will be so amended.

Personally, I want someone, ANYONE in a state to put TEETH behind their words. In other words, we, the people, need to put the fear of the Constitution back into the minds of "officials". We don't need another "official" flippantly thumbing their nose at ANY Constitution as just a "g-damned piece of paper" without severe penalties.... ever!

Speaking of teeth...

What about a state decree to repudiate their "share", if you will, of the national debt? Sounds crazy, I suppose, but I contend that it is not. First of all, I see no morally legitimate basis for taking on such debt in even the best of cases - the boilerplate reasoning used to justify it smacks of outright fraud to me. That aside, there is the issue of public trust, which every congressman takes an oath to protect and in whose interests they are to work honestly and competently. Consider the current state of affairs in terms of the national debt - umpteen trillions of dollars and climbing asymptotically to infinity as we type. I consider this a violation of the oath to defend and work in the interests of the public trust, which is nothing more than the trust of each and every individual citizen of the nation. If this is indeed such a violation, whether by malice or incompetence or innocent error, then I submit that the debt is invalid and that we hold the right to repudiate each individual portion of that debt at the personal level and that each state holds the legitimate power under the Constitution to do so on behalf of its citizens via the provisions of the 10th Amendment.

Just imagine if a first state were to actually enact such a declaration - I bet the rest would be in a drag race to follow suit. If enough states repudiated the illegitimately foisted debt of the federal government, what could the feds do beyond pound salt up their own asses in frustration?

Glen, I think you and your people should consider this. I believe there is a strong Constitutional basis for such a repudiation, not to mention an eminently obvious and unbreakable moral argument for it. Repudiation of the debt is a moral mandate for all decent people to take up. And by so doing we could bust several of our most dangerous enemies in short order. The Fed and the banks that own it would be in deep kimchee were even only half of the states to lift a giant middle finger to them.

As Nancy Reagan used to bleat: just say no. We could have these people in fits. More significantly, if more dangerously, we would paint them into a very interesting corner wherein they would be presented with the choice of eating the loss or attempting to apply force against a set of states. Either way I feel we would win. What would they do, hire the Chinese to enforce the invalid obligations? We could take a giant, if precariously risky step toward far greater freedom.

Opinions?