Michael Moore Says All Wealthy American's Money is Not Theirs its 'Ours'

[ClayTrainor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzfd_sNw2-Y

[Stary Hickory]

He is quite possibly the stupidest man alive. We can all agree that some shady krap happens due to facism and the Federal Reserve. I am sure a man like Moore is all for the FED. Its a plank of communism.

But lets entertain this dumbass for a second. Lets take all the "extra" money away form the wealthy. Ok so now what? Well for starters no one in their right mind would take risks invest, or try to get ahead anymore, because dumbasses like this fool will violently steal whatever the hell they want.

Moore cannot think, his tiny pee brain mind and minds like it have caused more misery and poverty in this country and around the globe than anything else. He totally ignores the principles of human action, that people only act when they see an advantage in doing so. Wealth is created because people see an advantage in creating it, the fact it was created shows it was desired. If you take away what they are creating, they will stop wasting their time.

This is the society this moron wants to create. One in which it pays only to do as little as possible less someone come and violently steal it from you.

[ItsTime]

So when will he be giving me mine?

[JK/SEA]

Yeah, i'm gonna email him and ask him to buy me that new BOSS 302 Mustang.

[goopc]

They took our jerbs! Ha ha. Michael Moore strikes again with more arguments based in Marxism and the labor theory of value fallacy.

[Humanae Libertas]

Spread the wealth Michael, you have plenty of it! I need to pay off my mortgage, so c'mon: show me the money!

[FrankRep]

I hope the Leftist Ron Paul supporters will stop promoting Michael Moore.

[Stary Hickory]

If nothing else they should realize what he is proposing would lead to a new kind of poverty that we have never seen in this country before. I mean that is what is so scary....he is that stupid, and does not see anything morally wrong with using guns to take from others. And then when you try to say look the FED needs to abolished because it is stealing...guys like him are like "You are extreme".

I mean either he is a complete moron or he hates poor people, because he is practically talking about government sponsored genocide on the poorest Americans.

[awake]

The immoral of the story; Its OK to take (by force) money from all the people who make more than you. The looters pledge.

Mr. Moore you make way more than me, so I will be expecting you to passively stand by while I am helping myself to your "wealth"...What's that? Ohhh...You mean the other wealthy people...?

[muzzled dogg]

our tax revenue money didnt go to wall atreet, the fed added extra zeros to electronic account balances thereby devaluing every dollar in circulation... Even worse!

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Michael Moore came off like Glenn Beck in that interview...just enough truth but wrapped in a profuse layer of bullshit. No, Michael, we ARE broke. Yes, the fucking Banksters looted us. No, we don't collectively own jobs. Jobs are for individuals. Yes, we cannot get loans because the goddamn banks have written their rules to suit them and the economy being shitty means they're going to chase 'sure bets' of short term securities that return a few interest points in money instead of taking the long term riskier venture of lending. Yes, it is OUR money, but the goddamn Federal Reserve, thanks to politicians you support, has devalued it to the point people are struggling to stay afloat. No, taxing 'the rich' will not help things.

[ClayTrainor]

All statist/socialist arguments are dependant upon the abstractions from the indivdiual... "We", "Us", "Ours", etc.

[Vessol]

There's nothing funnier and more ironic than a man with four chins bitching about capitalism.

[coastie]

Dearest Michael Moore,
After much consideration of your recent interview, I now ask, without reservation, that you transfer the sum of $165,756.34. This will bring me to 0.00 in debt. I ask that these funds be transferred no later than 12:00 pm CST, 03 March 2011. You know what happens when you don't pay, so lets not drag this on, k?

With Love,
Coastie

EDIT: Fuck me I have a lot of debt ( that's the real number )

[speciallyblend]

Dearest Michael Moore,
After much consideration of your recent interview, I now ask, without reservation, that you transfer the sum of $165,756.34. This will bring me to 0.00 in debt. I ask that these funds be transferred no later than 12:00 pm CST, 03 March 2011. You know what happens when you don't pay, so lets not drag this on, k?

With Love,
Coastie

EDIT: Fuck me I have a lot of debt ( that's the real number )

Don't feel bad add another 400,000 to your list and you have what insurance companies left us with and we have approval letters!! my motto is f it all!! If only i could buy a fully functional f-18 on $12hr;)

[roho76]

There's nothing funnier and more ironic than a man with four chins bitching about capitalism.

You forgot to add "bitching about rich people not paying enough while simultaneously being rich and filing for breaks against the same high taxes that he so gloriously supports".

[ClayTrainor]

You forgot to add "bitching about rich people not paying enough while simultaneously being rich and filing for breaks against the same high taxes that he so gloriously supports".

"Capitalism did nothing for me" - Michael Moore, MultiMillionaire


I want that on a T-shirt, with this picture...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrl58Y4mPWQE6I_mcMA6GbxmSE0w_6I MAbKVWrxu-siIxjmcfoAA&t=1

[AGRP]

First he produces a video attacking gun owners, yet he has armed security.

Then he produces an anti-capitalism movie, yet he made money from it.

Then he sues over profits from his 9/11 movie.

Now he's attacking wealthy people, when he is well off.

I'm almost convinced he's an agent.

[Vessol]

First he produces a video attacking gun owners, yet he has armed security.

Then he produces an anti-capitalism movie, yet he made money from it.

Then he sues over profits from his 9/11 movie.

Now he's attacking wealthy people, when he is well off.

I'm almost convinced he's an agent.

Lol.

You don't have to be part of the CIA to be a douchebag hypocrite.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

what? he makes good points. hoarding money slows the economy.

[Sola_Fide]

what? he makes good points. hoarding money slows the economy.

Huh?

[muzzled dogg]

what? he makes good points. hoarding money slows the economy.

Dude read the chapter on the miser from Walter block's defending the undefendable. It's free in PDF on mises

[low preference guy]

what? he makes good points. hoarding money slows the economy.

savings = investments

[April1775]

All your base are belong to us.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

The immoral of the story;

I like the way you put it :)

[Stary Hickory]

what? he makes good points. hoarding money slows the economy.

I am not trying to pick on you but the hoarding money argument is absolute nonsense and shows a fundamental lack of understanding about the economy. For starters in today's world all money is kept at banks or invested. It rarely if ever sits around. This means this money is constantly in play and is not being "hoarded".

Secondly even if we had a situation where people were "hoarding" money is that bad? If a man is willing to work very hard and yet will consume only very little is that a bad thing? It's a boon to everyone else around him, they in effect get his labor at a very very cheap price for the time being. If you had a stable money supply, then every time someone "hoarded" money there would be a slight deflation...this would strengthen the purchasing power of every unit of currency everyone else has. It would make investments more potent as the units of currency they are utilzing would be worth more.

A man who actively participates in the economy cannot help but be part of it. If he hoards money under his mattress than he is simply investing in the entire spectrum of investments in the general economy. If he loans it to a bank for investment then his money is more specifically being invested in certain investment areas the bank is deciding on. If he invests it personally in a company or stocks then it is very specific that he is investing in one company.

But REMEMBER if he keeps the money at home, withdraws it from circulation he causes a slight deflation, this in turn is an investment to the entire economy as a whole.

[dean.engelhardt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzfd_sNw2-Y

Michael Moore is very good at identifying and presenting social problems. Then when he presents a solution, you think WTF? It is like he has a spilt personality.

In the clip of his latest movie, he stands outside a bailed out bank, with money bags in his hands, demanding billions of tax payer dollars back. I think; Hurray! Somebody is standing up against corrupt government stealing our money and giving to political supporters.

Then he comes out with this interview and I got to wonder if this is the same guy. In one movie he presents the evils of trillion dollar corporate welfare; GOOD. In another movie he presents government promotion of war and violence is damaging us morally and financially; GOOD. Then he comes out in this interview.

WTF Michael! The government causes all these bad things and your solution is to give them more money?????

[SWATH]

Yes that's brilliant Michael! I own all of your wealth and the bum on the street owns mine. Never mind he sits and smokes and drinks all day and does nothing and I bust my ass everyday. I just hope that one day when I am wealthy that you will keep your filthy commie hands off of what I have earned and not chastise me for saving it. I am not a welfare agency and I'm not your ATM. What part of NOT YOUR PROPERTY do you not understand fat ass?

[erowe1]

He doesn't include all wealthy Americans in that. He has a special exemption for himself.

[madfoot]

IMO, there's a positive correlation between income and work ethic that kind of reverses itself at the tail ends.

[Stary Hickory]

Yes that's brilliant Michael! I own all of your wealth and the bum on the street owns mine. Never mind he sits and smokes and drinks all day and does nothing and I bust my ass everyday. I just hope that one day when I am wealthy that you will keep your filthy commie hands off of what I have earned and not chastise me for saving it. I am not a welfare agency and I'm not your ATM. What part of NOT YOUR PROPERTY do you not understand fat ass?

More importantly if you knew that someone was going to take everything away from you would you bust your ass anymore? This is what this fat fuck is promoting, after you rob everyone once, they will quickly get the idea and stop creating wealth. Better to have more leisure time then to work for no reason at all. And once you convince society that working to get ahead is pointless it's game over, that is how large scale poverty becomes an epidemic. It's why violence retards prosperity and mutual trade encourages it.

That idiot is proposing destroying the underpinnings of our economy, in order to do what? Save the poor? Hardly he will make them destitute. America has had a history of having some of the wealthiest poor in the world, exactly because we PROTECTED property rights and had a smaller government....after this dumb ass gets his way we will have poverty like never before and no hope of curing it.

Progressivism has caused more misery and injustice in this world. It's a faulty ideology and a immoral one.

[madfoot]

Quit getting all ya'll panties in a bunch. Mike's answer was a kneejerk response, not a concrete plan, and unless you're making over $250k/yr, he's not talking about you anyway.

[Travlyr]

Quit getting all ya'll panties in a bunch. Mike's answer was a kneejerk response, not a concrete plan, and unless you're making over $250k/yr, he's not talking about you anyway.

250k FRN = ~$7k
Not really rich.

[Stary Hickory]

Quit getting all ya'll panties in a bunch. Mike's answer was a kneejerk response, not a concrete plan, and unless you're making over $250k/yr, he's not talking about you anyway.

He is repeating much of what is the current ideology of progressives in this country...you know the people that often get elected into office and threaten us with all kinds of schemes just like this. And who cares if its 250,000 dollars, that is still none I repeat NONE of your business how much another man has, if he earned it honestly you have no business worrying about it.

So it's cool to screw people to rob them as long as they have more than 250k a year coming in right? Wow that's deep, and these same people will make sure not to produce a damn thing if they know it will be taken from them. It's immoral to take another man's possesions by force. I don't care if it's crooked bankers using the government to do it or douche bags like Michael Moore who want to do the EXACT same thing using the government, the effects are always the same honest people stop producing.

[erowe1]

Quit getting all ya'll panties in a bunch. Mike's answer was a kneejerk response, not a concrete plan, and unless you're making over $250k/yr, he's not talking about you anyway.

Good point. We should only be against tyranny when it's used against us, not someone else.

[madfoot]

He is repeating much of what is the current ideology of progressives in this country...you know the people that often get elected into office and threaten us with all kinds of schemes just like this.

The only progressive serving in Washington is Dennis Kucinich.

[FrankRep]

The only progressive serving in Washington is Dennis Kucinich.

madfoot, Not True.


Congressional Progressive Caucus
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/


List of Progressive Congressmen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus

[madfoot]

We know how much politicians love doubletalk.

Edit: And yes, I spoke hyperbolically, but in general, Democrats are not progressives. That's like saying Republicans love free markets.

[HOLLYWOOD]

The immoral of the story; Its OK to take (by force) money from all the people who make more than you. The looters pledge.

Mr. Moore you make way more than me, so I will be expecting you to passively stand by while I am helping myself to your "wealth"...What's that? Ohhh...You mean the other wealthy people...?


our tax revenue money didnt go to wall atreet, the fed added extra zeros to electronic account balances thereby devaluing every dollar in circulation... Even worse!

Yes Indeed, everyone remember: INFLATION

Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) is a good example, which was passed in the late 60's to target 157 individuals that paid zero taxes through loopholes, credits, subsides. But now this effects 10's of millions of Americans and is a $50 Billion theft program. Inflation is the cost of this and even if they tag this to the inflation rate, it's their dictatorial numbers, which we know the BLS fudges numbers in favor of .gov and done so for many purposes.

Now back to hypocritical Michael Moore... and some very good posts


First he produces a video attacking gun owners, yet he has armed security.

Then he produces an anti-capitalism movie, yet he made money from it.

Then he sues over profits from his 9/11 movie.

Now he's attacking wealthy people, when he is well off.

I'm almost convinced he's an agent.

Michael Moore the man that owns multiple mansions/estates
Michael Moore that sends his children to privaye schools
Michael Moore who charges $40,000 for speaking engagements at public universities

Need a Michael Moore poster with "HYPOCRISY" underneath his pic.

[madfoot]

Next you'll be whining about how hypocritical Warren Buffet is.

[erowe1]

We know how much politicians love doubletalk.

Edit: And yes, I spoke hyperbolically, but in general, Democrats are not progressives. That's like saying Republicans love free markets.

Unfortunately, it's not like saying Republicans love free markets. In general Democrats are progressives. And in general, so are Republicans.

[SWATH]

The idea that we are not broke is like saying my friend who lives in a McMansion, has a couple of nice late model cars, and has thousands upon thousands of dollars of doodads is rich despite a meager income and virtually everything charged on credit. The illusion of wealth is not wealth it is debt.

[erowe1]

Next you'll be whining about how hypocritical Warren Buffet is.

Oh man. I don't know who that was directed to. But you don't want to get me started on how hypocritical Warren Buffet is.

[madfoot]

Unfortunately, it's not like saying Republicans love free markets. In general Democrats are progressives. And in general, so are Republicans.

This is why everybody thinks libertarians are nuts. >:(


The idea that we are not broke is like saying my friend who lives in a McMansion, has a couple of nice late model cars, and has thousands upon thousands of dollars of doodads is rich despite a meager income and virtually everything charged on credit. The illusion of wealth is not wealth it is debt.

Two words: income gap.

[SWATH]

Two more words: Moral hazard

Debt creates a moral hazard which is why the government should not engage in it. That example is a microcosm of how the government operates and Michael, being unsophisticated as he it, has fallen for the illusion in his assessment.

[madfoot]

So what you're saying is, the government needs to pay back its debt, without taxing anybody. How exactly do you do that?

[SWATH]

So what you're saying is, the government needs to pay back its debt, without taxing anybody. How exactly do you do that?

The same way we had done it prior to 1913. Although you would have to change the system, as it is now with the Fed the debt can never be repaid, even if you taxed every man woman and child 100% for a hundred years.

[erowe1]

This is why everybody thinks libertarians are nuts. >:(


Why? Is there a dispute about Democrats and Republicans all generally being progressives? I'm curious how anyone would make the case that most of either group aren't.

[erowe1]

The same way we had done it prior to 1913. Although you would have to change the system, as it is now with the Fed the debt can never be repaid, even if you taxed every man woman and child 100% for a hundred years.

We didn't. He's right. The government can't pay anything without taxing people one way or another.

[madfoot]

Why? Is there a dispute about Democrats and Republicans all generally being progressives? I'm curious how anyone would make the case that most of either group aren't.

Because progressive implies, you know, change.


We didn't. He's right. The government can't pay anything without taxing people one way or another.

Yeah, I mean a sales tax is still a tax. :|

[erowe1]

Because progressive implies, you know, change.

It does? I thought it implied centrally managed economy and spreading democracy abroad.

[madfoot]

That sounds like neoconservativism or crony capitalism to me.

[erowe1]

That sounds like neoconservativism or crony capitalism to me.

Exactly. Progressivism.

[SWATH]

Yeah, I mean a sales tax is still a tax. :|

I was referring to income tax but it still makes my point. If the government can only pay its debts with your money then maybe it should stop going in to debt.

[madfoot]

OK, but we live in America, not Disneyland, and fact is the gov't IS in debt and we ARE being taxed and bumper sticker slogans won't change that. >_>

[SWATH]

So what is your point. Yes we've allowed the government to get us into an impossible situation so there are no straight forward answers to get out of it while maintaining the same system. You want to dig out of the hole? First stop digging deeper. Second, change the system, abolish the Fed and adopt sound monetary practice. Third, have the government liquidate its vast asset holdings as in a bankruptcy (you know it owns like 90% of the land west of Kansas). The debt can be paid of this way. Then people can keep what they earn without fear that government is going to take it and use it for things they abhor while getting them on the hook for more.

[Stary Hickory]

So what is your point. Yes we've allowed the government to get us into an impossible situation so there are no straight forward answers to get out of it while maintaining the same system. You want to dig out of the hole? First stop digging deeper. Second, change the system, abolish the Fed and adopt sound monetary practice. Third, have the government liquidate its vast asset holdings as in a bankruptcy (you know it owns like 90% of the land west of Kansas). The debt can be paid of this way. Then people can keep what they earn without fear that government is going to take it and use it for things they abhor while getting them on the hook for more.


The government needs to sacrifice. 60% decrease in the size of the Federal government is all it would take. And in any case it is not my responsibility or anyone else's to sacrifice for the excesses of Washington DC. Our creditors will get stiffed in the end, the US government is going to rob us and foreign creditors in an effort to maintain it's bloated power.

The government needs reform, ANTI- progressive reform. Getting back to a Constitutional government would solve all our problems and give the people much more wealth and freedom....annd safety for that matter. The Federal government's paranoia is causing all kinds of problems for us overseas and now with the whacked out DHS attacking citizens within the US.

This all has to end.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Next you'll be whining about how hypocritical Warren Buffet is.

In the Economics and Sound Money section of this forum... we have cover Warren Buffet numerous times. Use the search to find all about Warren Buffet. Additionally, you can just Google Warren Buffet Hypocrite... lot's of hits, even from the progressive rag coverage. Buffet is as dirty as they come... those billions buys lots of lobbyists and politicians too.


Oh man. I don't know who that was directed to. But you don't want to get me started on how hypocritical Warren Buffet is.
That was directed at me!

[Eric21ND]

This is what African dictators do to their countriesto enrich themselves and their friends/clans. They steal from the productive sector and give it to the unproductive sector and think it will enrich them. It simply destroys the country.

[angelatc]

You forgot to add "bitching about rich people not paying enough while simultaneously being rich and filing for breaks against the same high taxes that he so gloriously supports".

Hey, you want to drive up to Flint and see how much of "OUR" stuff we can get from his house?

[Lord Xar]

He rallies about "jobs being taken overseas" or "stealing our american jobs" and how that is wrong, but he has NO issue taking other peoples money.

He is such a douchebag.

[osan]

what? he makes good points. hoarding money slows the economy.

Oh jesus...

[osan]

Let him rant and spew all he pleases - he is a low rent hypocrite, not to mention an undisciplined blimp incapable of keeping his cotton picking fingers out of the donut box.

[Vessol]

The top 1% of the income earners pay 29% of taxes. The top 5% pay 57%. The top 50% of income earners pay 98%.

The bottom 50% of income earners pay 2% of the taxes.

The poor people are being robbed blind! :rolleyes: