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muzzled dogg
02-28-2011, 11:05 AM
http://www.valuesvotersummit.org/

do we start sending emails?

Sola_Fide
02-28-2011, 11:08 AM
I have heard people here say the VVS is a waste of time for Ron.

Why?

Why shouldn't he try to spread the idea of Liberty to as many people as possible? Some people at the "values voters summit" are CONSTITUTIONALISTS. I know this may come as a surprise to some noobs here...

Chester Copperpot
02-28-2011, 11:10 AM
It seems to be a waste of time.. as far as nobody seems to give them but scant attention.. last time around i dont remember any major candidates even going to it....

Sola_Fide
02-28-2011, 11:13 AM
It seems to be a waste of time.. as far as nobody seems to give them but scant attention.. last time around i dont remember any major candidates even going to it....

Huckabee won it in 08 and Pence won it in 10 (btw, if Pence ran for Pres. instead of governor, he might have won everything in 12).

sailingaway
02-28-2011, 11:16 AM
He wasn't there last time, either, was he? He never does all that well in their poll, that is the real 'social conservative' niche of the GOP. If we aren't going to go all out and win it, there is something to be said for his not speaking there. It basically means the straw poll doesn't mean anything.

Aqua Buddha, I disagree on Pence. They were pushing him for a LONG time and google trends showed that only the media was discussing him. No one was independently searching him.

Bergie Bergeron
02-28-2011, 11:26 AM
E-mail bomb.

erowe1
02-28-2011, 11:29 AM
It is definitely not a waste of time.

Not only do I hope he goes, but whether he does go or not, I think we should actively recruit a large group of RP supporters to be there and win the straw poll.

erowe1
02-28-2011, 11:31 AM
It seems to be a waste of time.. as far as nobody seems to give them but scant attention.. last time around i dont remember any major candidates even going to it....

This time there will definitely be major candidates there, as well as other major conservative figures and organizations. All the well-known conservative people and groups that skipped CPAC will be at VVS.

muzzled dogg
02-28-2011, 11:33 AM
i'm not asking if we should actively try to win the straw poll; we'll worry about that if he speaks

just asking if we should try to get him invited

erowe1
02-28-2011, 11:37 AM
i'm not asking if we should actively try to win the straw poll; we'll worry about that if he speaks

just asking if we should try to get him invited

Yes, we should try to get him invited.

And we should try to win the straw poll even if he doesn't go.

Thomas
02-28-2011, 11:38 AM
i'm not asking if we should actively try to win the straw poll; we'll worry about that if he speaks

just asking if we should try to get him invited

I think we need to have a presence at every relevant event.

specsaregood
02-28-2011, 11:38 AM
I have heard people here say the VVS is a waste of time for Ron.
Why?

It might have something to do with the fact that last time he spoke there he got booed for saying, "We must remember that Jesus was the prince of peace. "

Sola_Fide
02-28-2011, 11:38 AM
This time there will definitely be major candidates there, as well as other major conservative figures and organizations. All the well-known conservative people and groups that skipped CPAC will be at VVS.

True.

There is a HUGE chunk of the GOP that takes this seriously.

If we could make inroads to SOME of the more constitution-oriented voters there, it might be beneficial.

Also, Ron could actually present himself as the SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE that he truly is.

erowe1
02-28-2011, 11:39 AM
The people who should make a point to try to get him invited are those who have in the past donated to FRC or FRC Action.

This includes me, and it probably includes a bunch of others. In 2008 there was a big straw poll that you had to donate something like $5 to them to vote in (it might have even been for the Values Voters Summit, I forget).

Sola_Fide
02-28-2011, 11:41 AM
It might have something to do with the fact that last time he spoke there he got booed for saying, "We must remember that Jesus was the prince of peace. "


Everything has changed in 12.

Quote me on this^^^

The entire idea of nation-building is starting to fade in the GOP (especially the Tea Parties). Fiscal conservatives especially are starting to re-examine foreign policy.

specsaregood
02-28-2011, 11:42 AM
Everything has changed in 12.

Quote me on this^^^

The entire idea of nation-building is starting to fade in the GOP (especially the Tea Parties). Fiscal conservatives especially are starting to re-examine foreign policy.

I hear ya, just saying why some might think it a waste of time.

sailingaway
02-28-2011, 11:45 AM
I hear ya, just saying why some might think it a waste of time.

We have to make sure if our guys go they are people whose ears won't bleed over the other speakers. We don't want someone booing Santorum at the value voters summit no matter how much he may deserve it.

erowe1
02-28-2011, 11:48 AM
Here's the FRC Action contact page:
http://www.frcaction.org/contact-frc

I just sent them the following:

RE: Other Issues
Subject: Ron Paul at Values Voter Summit
Inquiry: Dear FRC Action, I have in the past donated to your organization and am on your email list. I am a big supporter of Ron Paul, and I would love to see him invited to speak at the Values Voter Summit this year. The four principles of the summit are: limit government, reduce spending, champion traditional values, and protect America. As you are aware, I'm sure, Ron Paul has a stellar record in all of the above. He is also likely running for president in 2012 and is sure to be a major candidate. I would love to see him speak there, and if he does, I will make a point to try to attend this year.

Sola_Fide
02-28-2011, 11:50 AM
Here's the FRC Action contact page:
http://www.frcaction.org/contact-frc

I just sent them the following:

Bump!

muzzled dogg
02-28-2011, 11:50 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to erowe1 again.

cdc482
02-28-2011, 11:52 AM
What are you talking about?
All of the major candidates were at the VVS in 2008, and Ron Paul preformed very well discussing pre-emptive war.
He should definitley go.

Matt Collins
02-28-2011, 11:53 AM
True.

There is a HUGE chunk of the GOP that takes this seriously.
The Republican Party is being split three ways:

SocialCons
NeoCons
Libertarians

Each group has some crossover with the other group, but by and large, there are definate divisions there.

Matt Collins
02-28-2011, 11:54 AM
What are you talking about?
All of the major candidates were at the VVS in 2008, and Ron Paul preformed very well discussing pre-emptive war.
He should definitley go.
McCain was not, Rudy was not, Fred was not, Romney was not.

cdc482
02-28-2011, 12:15 PM
Alright. I was wrong. But I still think Ron should go.
1-He needs all the publicity he can get.
2-It's called the VALUE voters debate (or w.e idr).
Ron Paul has the best values: every individual should be treated equally (foreign policy, individual liberty)
He can own in this debate. Even if he can't win the social conservative crowd over on values, he can win over lots of other people.

erowe1
02-28-2011, 12:49 PM
Alright. I was wrong. But I still think Ron should go.
1-He needs all the publicity he can get.
2-It's called the VALUE voters debate (or w.e idr).
Ron Paul has the best values: every individual should be treated equally (foreign policy, individual liberty)
He can own in this debate. Even if he can't win the social conservative crowd over on values, he can win over lots of other people.

Plus, it will be a bigger deal in 2012 than it was in 2008 anyway.

Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, Palin, Barbour, Pawlenty, Daniels, Cain, Bachman, and Christie are all already confirmed. It's pretty much a who's who of potential GOP presidential contenders with RP being the only one who's conspicuously absent.

Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, Glenn Beck, Jim Demint, Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, and the Heritage Foundation, none of whom were at CPAC this year, are all confirmed for VVS, to name a few.

UtahApocalypse
02-28-2011, 01:11 PM
We need to focus on Ames; The Iowa Straw Poll is THE make or break for the campaign.

falconplayer11
02-28-2011, 01:15 PM
How can we email VVS? I definitely think he should go (and I find it hard to believe that he was not invited).

cdc482
02-28-2011, 01:21 PM
Here's the FRC Action contact page:
http://www.frcaction.org/contact-frc

I just sent them the following:

This is how you e-mail them

erowe1
02-28-2011, 01:29 PM
We need to focus on Ames; The Iowa Straw Poll is THE make or break for the campaign.

It's not an either or. We need to do both, along with many other things. We have a nationwide base of a million plus RP supporters. And we have tons of things we need to accomplish. We can't have this whole mass of supporters devote all of their attention to one thing and then, when that's over, change their direction and devote all of their attention to some new thing. Each person has to know their niche and fill it.

It's like scheduling the construction of some major project (http://pmbook.ce.cmu.edu/10_Fundamental_Scheduling_Procedures.html). Multiple aspects need to be worked on simultaneously, some can't happen until other things happen first, and the same crew can't be working on all of them.

That said, I agree, Ames is the next most important item in the schedule. People who are in a better position to help make sure RP wins that than they are for the VVS should focus on Ames.

Austin
02-28-2011, 01:40 PM
Jesse absolutely needs to get Ron at the VVS. Ron has conservative credentials, certainly more than Gingrich & co. Ron could speak about being married to the same woman for 54 years, delivering over 4,000 babies and refusing abortions, overturning Roe v. Wade, Sanctity of Life Act, DOMA, activists judges, immigration, etc.

Matt Collins
02-28-2011, 01:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R11R-EhNgD8

georgiaboy
02-28-2011, 01:57 PM
Assuming he gets invited, I wonder if Rand could help him write his speech?

muzzled dogg
02-28-2011, 02:07 PM
Lol gtfoh

Thomas
02-28-2011, 02:24 PM
Jesse absolutely needs to get Ron at the VVS. Ron has conservative credentials, certainly more than Gingrich & co. Ron could speak about being married to the same woman for 54 years, delivering over 4,000 babies and refusing abortions, overturning Roe v. Wade, Sanctity of Life Act, DOMA, activists judges, immigration, etc.

Krippy nailed it.

specsaregood
02-28-2011, 02:39 PM
Jesse absolutely needs to get Ron at the VVS. Ron has conservative credentials, certainly more than Gingrich & co. Ron could speak about being married to the same woman for 54 years, delivering over 4,000 babies and refusing abortions, overturning Roe v. Wade, Sanctity of Life Act, DOMA, activists judges, immigration, etc.

I'd figure all he has to do is ask. I doubt they would turn him down. and should they do THAT, let us know.

Cowlesy
02-28-2011, 02:46 PM
instead of getting all up in the VVS's grill about it, erowe sent them a nice message, and maybe next we should reach out to C4L and have them feel out VVS for an invite.

I just get worried someone is going to send some stupid threatening "WHY AREN'T YOU HAVING HIM YOU'RE NWO AND MARGINALIZING THE CHAMPIONO F THE CONSTITUTION" email to some blue-haired lady in Georgia who is going to pitch a fit.

specsaregood
02-28-2011, 03:07 PM
I just get worried someone is going to send some stupid threatening "WHY AREN'T YOU HAVING HIM YOU'RE NWO AND MARGINALIZING THE CHAMPIONO F THE CONSTITUTION" email to some blue-haired lady in Georgia who is going to pitch a fit.

Ever the optimist, speaking in the future tense.

Things like that are gonna happen, no matter what we do/hope/advise. i think we need to brainstorm on better ways to mitigate the blowback from such behavior.

cdc482
02-28-2011, 04:03 PM
blowback. haha.

muzzled dogg
02-28-2011, 10:30 PM
serious blowback

Mani
03-01-2011, 04:43 AM
I was there and '08 for the Value Voters Debate and it wasn't pretty. He had to give one word answers with no opportunity to explain (it was a rapid fire round). He disagreed with some of the other guys 100% on the Yes/No type of answers, and he is Dr. No!

Some of his answers caused actual "SHOCK" by the audience. I forgot the questions but stuff like, Institute a new law to ban XYZ, everyone "YES", RP, "No." (Audience feints or gasps in disbelief). His stance on marriage taking it out of the govt's hands isn't explained, just he wouldn't enact a gay marriage ban or something. Don't remember the exact stuff. But war on drugs he's libertarian on that as well, and of course a one word, "No" while the rest go the other way.

The rapid fire Yes/No round implied he's a tree hugging pothead who likes porn, gays, and prostitution.

It was an ABSOLUTE disaster! Not even talking about being the only anti-war candidate.

How is it fair if he says NO to one of those answers and can't explain.

We had a 100-200 Ron Paul people there and 90% were dressed in suits or professional attire, were dressed VERY CONSERVATIVE and tried to match the attire of the attendants as closely as possible.

When we asked them VERY POLITELY, if they wanted literature, or to attend the RP rally, or their opinion on the debates, some of them were SICKENING and DISGUSTED with RON PAUL. There were no truthers there or pot heads or anyone who would scare away a "Value summit voter." And even if there were, everyone was dressed and acted like they were at Sunday School in order to attract the value summit people, not scare them away, but yet based on RP's answers, they acted like he was the devil.

It was awful. Now some of the people, realized he wasn't able to explain himself, and some of the people gave him CREDIT for BEING HONEST and HOLDING TO HIS PRINCIPALS (EVEN IF THEY COMPLETELY DISAGREED), but the majority of the people there came away upset by his answers.

Because he's not ready to add more drug laws, not ready to add laws to get rid of porn on the internet, not ready to make stiffer prostitution laws, and marriage ETC

Honestly I don't remember the exact Q/A, just they were 10 one way, and 1 the other way, and actual "GASPS" from the audience because of RP.

I'm telling you people were ANGRY with RP after that debate. Like I said, "Porn Loving, Pot Head, Gay marriage, Prostitute Guy" is what people thought of him. RP, will not bend on his principals and even if the Yes/No question is a trap question, he will stand by it even if it incites the audience. AND THAT is EXACTLY what happened. It was fucking awful.

I was there, and remember how they looked like they were ready to spit on me AFTER I mentioned the name Ron Paul. I remember talking to people after the debate (I'm wearing a suit, and they can't tell who I'm representing) and them reaching out and grabbing literature I had in my hands, and after I said, "...Ron Paul" they withdrew their hands with disgust like I was handing them Anthrax.

Sorry for rambling but they debate really pissed me off.

rp08orbust
03-01-2011, 05:32 AM
I was there and '08 for the Value Voters Debate and it wasn't pretty. He had to give one word answers with no opportunity to explain (it was a rapid fire round). He disagreed with some of the other guys 100% on the Yes/No type of answers, and he is Dr. No!

Some of his answers caused actual "SHOCK" by the audience. I forgot the questions but stuff like, Institute a new law to ban XYZ, everyone "YES", RP, "No." (Audience feints or gasps in disbelief). His stance on marriage taking it out of the govt's hands isn't explained, just he wouldn't enact a gay marriage ban or something. Don't remember the exact stuff. But war on drugs he's libertarian on that as well, and of course a one word, "No" while the rest go the other way.

The rapid fire Yes/No round implied he's a tree hugging pothead who likes porn, gays, and prostitution.

It was an ABSOLUTE disaster! Not even talking about being the only anti-war candidate.

How is it fair if he says NO to one of those answers and can't explain.

We had a 100-200 Ron Paul people there and 90% were dressed in suits or professional attire, were dressed VERY CONSERVATIVE and tried to match the attire of the attendants as closely as possible.

When we asked them VERY POLITELY, if they wanted literature, or to attend the RP rally, or their opinion on the debates, some of them were SICKENING and DISGUSTED with RON PAUL. There were no truthers there or pot heads or anyone who would scare away a "Value summit voter." And even if there were, everyone was dressed and acted like they were at Sunday School in order to attract the value summit people, not scare them away, but yet based on RP's answers, they acted like he was the devil.

It was awful. Now some of the people, realized he wasn't able to explain himself, and some of the people gave him CREDIT for BEING HONEST and HOLDING TO HIS PRINCIPALS (EVEN IF THEY COMPLETELY DISAGREED), but the majority of the people there came away upset by his answers.

Because he's not ready to add more drug laws, not ready to add laws to get rid of porn on the internet, not ready to make stiffer prostitution laws, and marriage ETC

Honestly I don't remember the exact Q/A, just they were 10 one way, and 1 the other way, and actual "GASPS" from the audience because of RP.

I'm telling you people were ANGRY with RP after that debate. Like I said, "Porn Loving, Pot Head, Gay marriage, Prostitute Guy" is what people thought of him. RP, will not bend on his principals and even if the Yes/No question is a trap question, he will stand by it even if it incites the audience. AND THAT is EXACTLY what happened. It was fucking awful.

I was there, and remember how they looked like they were ready to spit on me AFTER I mentioned the name Ron Paul. I remember talking to people after the debate (I'm wearing a suit, and they can't tell who I'm representing) and them reaching out and grabbing literature I had in my hands, and after I said, "...Ron Paul" they withdrew their hands with disgust like I was handing them Anthrax.

Sorry for rambling but they debate really pissed me off.

Don't you mean 2007?

muzzled dogg
03-01-2011, 01:48 PM
Here's the FRC Action contact page:
http://www.frcaction.org/contact-frc

I just sent them the following:

Let us know what u hear back

Thomas
03-01-2011, 02:04 PM
i was there and '08 for the value voters debate and it wasn't pretty. He had to give one word answers with no opportunity to explain (it was a rapid fire round). He disagreed with some of the other guys 100% on the yes/no type of answers, and he is dr. No!

Some of his answers caused actual "shock" by the audience. I forgot the questions but stuff like, institute a new law to ban xyz, everyone "yes", rp, "no." (audience feints or gasps in disbelief). His stance on marriage taking it out of the govt's hands isn't explained, just he wouldn't enact a gay marriage ban or something. Don't remember the exact stuff. But war on drugs he's libertarian on that as well, and of course a one word, "no" while the rest go the other way.

the rapid fire yes/no round implied he's a tree hugging pothead who likes porn, gays, and prostitution.

it was an absolute disaster! Not even talking about being the only anti-war candidate.

How is it fair if he says no to one of those answers and can't explain.

We had a 100-200 ron paul people there and 90% were dressed in suits or professional attire, were dressed very conservative and tried to match the attire of the attendants as closely as possible.

When we asked them very politely, if they wanted literature, or to attend the rp rally, or their opinion on the debates, some of them were sickening and disgusted with ron paul. There were no truthers there or pot heads or anyone who would scare away a "value summit voter." and even if there were, everyone was dressed and acted like they were at sunday school in order to attract the value summit people, not scare them away, but yet based on rp's answers, they acted like he was the devil.

It was awful. Now some of the people, realized he wasn't able to explain himself, and some of the people gave him credit for being honest and holding to his principals (even if they completely disagreed), but the majority of the people there came away upset by his answers.

Because he's not ready to add more drug laws, not ready to add laws to get rid of porn on the internet, not ready to make stiffer prostitution laws, and marriage etc

honestly i don't remember the exact q/a, just they were 10 one way, and 1 the other way, and actual "gasps" from the audience because of rp.

I'm telling you people were angry with rp after that debate. Like i said, "porn loving, pot head, gay marriage, prostitute guy" is what people thought of him. Rp, will not bend on his principals and even if the yes/no question is a trap question, he will stand by it even if it incites the audience. And that is exactly what happened. It was fucking awful.

I was there, and remember how they looked like they were ready to spit on me after i mentioned the name ron paul. I remember talking to people after the debate (i'm wearing a suit, and they can't tell who i'm representing) and them reaching out and grabbing literature i had in my hands, and after i said, "...ron paul" they withdrew their hands with disgust like i was handing them anthrax.

Sorry for rambling but they debate really pissed me off.

lulz

Mani
03-01-2011, 11:14 PM
yeah, it was '07.

devil21
03-01-2011, 11:24 PM
So it's a bunch of ultra-religious people that sin behind closed doors but like to cast judgement on other people? Naaa I think RP can skip this one. Im ready for the fundies to a take a back seat in 2012.

LibertyIn08
03-02-2011, 05:38 AM
I would like to note that we actually could easily win the VVS if enough people get there to vote. There were only 723 total voters last time around.

Captain Shays
03-02-2011, 06:36 AM
So it's a bunch of ultra-religious people that sin behind closed doors but like to cast judgement on other people? Naaa I think RP can skip this one. Im ready for the fundies to a take a back seat in 2012.

I beg to differ and yes I am a "fundy". We need the Christian votes or we won't win. Period. End of story. You can hang back and leave it up to us. Just stay out of our way and don't make too much noise or you'll scare them off.

pacelli
03-02-2011, 06:58 AM
After RP won cpac 2011, some neocon blogger mentioned that this straw poll is relatively meaningless, while the values voters summit straw poll was much more important.

They're not going to let him win the straw poll folks. Think about it.

cdc482
03-02-2011, 06:59 AM
I would like to note that we actually could easily win the VVS if enough people get there to vote. There were only 723 total voters last time around.

Good point. Also, a lot of people watch the debate on TV besides social conservatives, and RP would really stand out to them.

erowe1
03-02-2011, 07:23 AM
After RP won cpac 2011, some neocon blogger mentioned that this straw poll is relatively meaningless, while the values voters summit straw poll was much more important.

They're not going to let him win the straw poll folks. Think about it.

If he gets the most votes he'll win. It's up to us, not them.

Sola_Fide
03-02-2011, 07:27 AM
The Republican Party is being split three ways:

SocialCons
NeoCons
Libertarians

Each group has some crossover with the other group, but by and large, there are definate divisions there.

Yes I can see that too. Definitely.

speciallyblend
03-02-2011, 08:48 AM
getting more disgusted with the gop every minute! Mary Ruwart LP I just do not see the republican party being smart enough to nominate Ron Paul, the gop is very depressing! back of my mind wishes for a ron paul indy run since i have my doubt the gop is smart enough for RON PAUL! if the gop fails to nominate Ron paul what do we have to lose? not much!

LibertyIn08
03-02-2011, 09:37 AM
If he gets the most votes he'll win. It's up to us, not them.

As I said, we get half the people we did at CPAC there, we can easily win.

Captain Shays
03-02-2011, 01:18 PM
As I said, we get half the people we did at CPAC there, we can easily win.


I think it's every bit as important as CPAC and our efforts should reflect it's importance. So how, when and where do we get started?

civusamericanus
03-04-2011, 06:32 PM
I think RP should go to this event and any event which will help him win Republican Primary.

On the VVS website sponsor section it says the following:


American Values, The Heritage Foundation, Liberty University/Liberty Counsel, and FRC are sponsors only of the educational portions of the Values Voters Summit. These organizations are not sponsoring the appearance of any candidate for public office, nor do they support or oppose any candidate for elective public office.

devil21
03-04-2011, 07:35 PM
I beg to differ and yes I am a "fundy". We need the Christian votes or we won't win. Period. End of story. You can hang back and leave it up to us. Just stay out of our way and don't make too much noise or you'll scare them off.

If you think you can gain ground there then go for it but I predict Fox News and the fundy orgs like FRC, Hagee, and their ilk will be firmly against RP so counting on their votes for anything other than the general election is probably a wasted effort when there are a lot of other Republicans (and unaffiliateds) that can be reached more effectively instead. The religious have only been just one influence prior to GWB getting elected, not the whole party. I'd like to go back to those days! It's time for the unaffiliateds and disenchanted Democrats to step up and that's who Im aiming for. More power to you with the evangelicals but I don't like your chances.


I think it's every bit as important as CPAC and our efforts should reflect it's importance. So how, when and where do we get started?

Why not take the lead?

erowe1
03-04-2011, 08:45 PM
If you think you can gain ground there then go for it but I predict Fox News and the fundy orgs like FRC, Hagee, and their ilk will be firmly against RP

Sure, Hagee will. But the FRC won't be firmly against him. And some religious right types, like Phyllis Schlafly and Joe Farah, are probably closer to RP than any of the establishment candidates, and at least respect him. Then there are the Chuck Baldwin types who are gung ho for him. I think your impression of fundamentalists is a caricature. There's no need to create rifts between RP and them. Social conservatives are more likely to support RP than any other constituency in the GOP outside of those who already support him. So we better make a serious point of reaching out to them. If we can't do that, we might as well tell RP he's better off not running.

erowe1
03-04-2011, 08:52 PM
I want to make a Facebook thing for this. But it seems like they've changed everything from what I was used to. What would be the best thing to do, a page, a group, or an event?

Thomas
03-04-2011, 09:54 PM
I want to make a Facebook thing for this. But it seems like they've changed everything from what I was used to. What would be the best thing to do, a page, a group, or an event?

What exactly do you want it to be?

erowe1
03-04-2011, 10:12 PM
What exactly do you want it to be?

Something to build a nationwide network of RP supporters who are interested in going to the VVS, to recruit people who would be good candidates to be involved in this, get an idea of how many of us there are, and to communicate between one another about deadlines, costs, carpools, good handouts to pass out there, what to do there, how to maximize our numbers and effectiveness, and so on.

LibertyIn08
03-05-2011, 09:49 AM
Something to build a nationwide network of RP supporters who are interested in going to the VVS, to recruit people who would be good candidates to be involved in this, get an idea of how many of us there are, and to communicate between one another about deadlines, costs, carpools, good handouts to pass out there, what to do there, how to maximize our numbers and effectiveness, and so on.

Sounds like you need a group then an event.

Or start here then do an event.

Shoot me a PM on here if you need any assistance along the way.

erowe1
03-05-2011, 12:31 PM
Sounds like you need a group then an event.

Or start here then do an event.

Shoot me a PM on here if you need any assistance along the way.

Maybe a Christians for Ron Paul group, or more broadly a Social Conservatives for Ron Paul group, and then make an event for VVS associated with the group?

That way it could broaden out to serve other purposes besides just VVS and still have a function when VVS is over.

I just want to get my ducks in a row before I make something and then change my mind and decide I went about it the wrong way. Anybody else here have opinions about this?

muzzled dogg
03-05-2011, 02:09 PM
Good idea erowe

FSP-Rebel
03-05-2011, 02:40 PM
I was there and '08 for the Value Voters Debate and it wasn't pretty. He had to give one word answers with no opportunity to explain (it was a rapid fire round). He disagreed with some of the other guys 100% on the Yes/No type of answers, and he is Dr. No!

Well, this conference is merely a summit and not a debate, two different things. Looking at the list of attendees, this will receive plenty of coverage because all the conservatives' favorite names will have a speaking slot. However, there is no straw poll listed as of yet on the web site so there may or may not be one. That said, the ticket price is 99$ and so far C4L hasn't mentioned anything about defraying costs like at CPAC. Student packages start at 50$ but not a peep from YAL yet. It would be beneficial if Ron had a slot if nothing else than to present his bonafides as being a true social conservative. He wouldn't need an all encompassing speech, just focus on the topics that are being covered in, say, the break out sessions. But, with all the speakers involved, many of the speech focal points will likely overlap.

muzzled dogg
03-05-2011, 04:50 PM
Maybe we should contact yal to see if they wanna get a table if theyre not gonna go all out and sponsor / offer reduced ticket packages

Eric21ND
03-06-2011, 02:29 AM
Can we set up a table like they do at CPAC? We should get a table and play this video on repeat.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66jpPCIzza8

erowe1
03-07-2011, 10:19 AM
I've just been added as an admin to the old Christians for Ron Paul Facebook group. It still has 450 members, so it should be easier to revive that one than to start a new one.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2364619614

And I created an event connect to that group for the Values Voter Summit. More planning needs to happen, but this should hopefully get the ball rolling.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=171176606267834

trey4sports
03-07-2011, 12:09 PM
I think getting Ron there would be great. Also, I think it would help us figure out where we stand with the so-con base.

erowe1
03-07-2011, 12:12 PM
I think getting Ron there would be great. Also, I think it would help us figure out where we stand with the so-con base.

I have a hunch he'll be there. It doesn't seem like an event that a serious Republican presidential contender could miss. I don't know why he's not on their schedule yet, but by October, they will want him to come, and he'll want to be there.

JamesButabi
03-07-2011, 03:15 PM
If Ron doesn't attend, all of a sudden this event will be the new barometer of presidential front runner status. MSM will use it as a propelling point and the establishment will launch off of it. Every major event from here on out needs a RP presence.

xRedfoxx
03-07-2011, 04:04 PM
The only way we combat the media bias every time Ron Paul wins a poll is to a) continue to win each poll and a) have a sizeable presence at each event.

I remember at the end of the election season last year, we had thousands attending Ron Paul speaking engagements. When it all started, there would be ten of us. If we can get started now and have several hundred supporters show, we will have 10's of thousands by election time.

sailingaway
03-29-2011, 10:34 AM
Let me know and I'll email, but not going is better if we aren't going to put the energy in to win the straw poll. I think at this point everyone will know we could have if we put any energy into it. I really want us to win the SRLC one, though.

eduardo89
03-29-2011, 10:44 AM
If we want to win the social conservative vote, which like it or not we need, we need to win the VVS poll. Iowans are very conservative and if we want a shot at winning there we need to showcase RP as more than just the small government liberty guy, but also the social conservative, moral, religious, family man that he is!

speciallyblend
03-29-2011, 12:47 PM
I have heard people here say the VVS is a waste of time for Ron.

Why?

Why shouldn't he try to spread the idea of Liberty to as many people as possible? Some people at the "values voters summit" are CONSTITUTIONALISTS. I know this may come as a surprise to some noobs here...

i hear ya,many say the samething about the gop! yet i am a registered republican!!

muzzled dogg
03-30-2011, 10:59 AM
The former Massachusetts governor won almost 28 percent of the 5,776 votes cast, edging out former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who finished 30 votes behind him.

...

Texas Rep. Ron Paul finished in third place, with 15 percent of the vote, and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson finished in fourth place with 10 percent. See how the top four finishers performed

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani finished with 107 votes, just under 2 percent of all ballots cast, and Arizona Sen. John McCain was just behind Giuliani, with 81 votes.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-10-20/politics/romney.values_1_straw-vote-straw-poll-voting-period?_s=PM:POLITICS

i guess ron got 3rd in 2007 (without us even really trying?)

no guarantees on my math

% votes candidate
28% 1617 mitt
27% 1587 huck
15% 866 ron
2% 107 rudy
1% 81 mccain
26% 1518 other (wtf?)
100% 5776 total

invisible
03-30-2011, 02:25 PM
People at VVS actually voted for the ghoul? lmao! I agree that this is winable with a good showing for Ron Paul.

And it was nice to meet you at CPAC, shem

muzzled dogg
05-11-2011, 02:46 PM
nice meeting you too


edit ron's now on this list of invited speakers

we gotta show for this straw poll


btw

$79 Early Bird
Registration
Extended
to May 20

sailingaway
05-11-2011, 02:48 PM
This is the same thing that tea party did -- wait until everyone else had organized supporters there THEN let Ron in.....

Sigh... we need to set up chip ins for those near the event. If people who live in driving distance as a first priority want to go but need help with the cost, we should get a list going and do chip ins.

muzzled dogg
06-23-2011, 02:58 PM
edit: ron now confirmed

btw someone is scheduling revolution march pt 2 this same weekend in DC so we should have this straw poll easy with some organizing

mit26chell
06-23-2011, 03:36 PM
God, this scared me. Glad he's confirmed.

MartyMoose
06-23-2011, 04:00 PM
Do you think maybe we have been missing one of the main things Ron has been trying to tell us? While we discuss and argue over semantics and who said what Dr. Paul has been solid and committed to spreading his message. He is now in the process of submitting several pieces of legislation that will invoke controversy. Now more than ever he needs a true grassroots effort. The people need to hear and understand what he is saying, Its not a simple plan but it makes sense. If the people of the country are not willing to make a change, and understand that change, we will continue to falter until we are all starving in the streets. We have to rally, we have to organize now, so very early. We need to have an organized system of spreading our message through blogs, comments, twitter, and any other social media. We can have some of our people make an iphone/android app for organizers to meetup. we need to organize through the radio call ins, the tv call-ins, concentrated scheduled email bombs with articulate and well-informed letters. As we do this we also need to be talking with everyone we see everywhere we go. We have to make his name so common and so popular people will take the time to listen to what he has to say with an open mind. The small towns around america, the rural folks especially, you need to talk to the farmers, the ranchers, people who live and work the land are with us, We have to remind them they have a voice and we are here for them. I said it before and ill say it again we need to flood the country with quarter sized cheap ron paul stickers. we need to saturate the countryside with posters, banners proclaiming liberty. We have to invade every opponents forums with information never slander, never provoke only inform. We have to stand up like we have never stood up before.

libertybrewcity
06-23-2011, 04:27 PM
They saw that Ron Paul can bring them tons of money because we all flock to the polls.

Agorism
06-23-2011, 04:36 PM
so we're invited now?