Feds attempt to seize 350 private acres with NO charges against owner

[Romulus]

This happened last year, but its the first I've heard of it:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_f8a1fdec-7e8d-5834-b89f-53db236d9730.html

[specsaregood]

The "authority" for this was added into another law and RP voted against is often used against him. I think it might have been the amber alert bill.

[Anti Federalist]

My WTF and :mad::mad::mad: has run out, I'm dry...I got nothing...

Just another day in the tail end of a dying empire.

[Romulus]

The "authority" for this was added into another law and RP voted against is often used against him. I think it might have been the amber alert bill.

Dirty f*&Cking sneaky trick.

This is such a beautiful place. No wonder the Feds want it. It has Nothing to do with drugs - its about POWER - CASH - GEOGRAPHY

[Vessol]

Eminent domain FTW..

The Federal Government owns all property they believe, and they can seize it whenever they desire.

Isn't the most basic principle behind any government the protection of life, liberty, and property?

Clearly the State doesn't defend you're property.
The State doesn't defend you're liberty and actively works to subvert it.
And it's pretty obvious from the murders by State-sanctioned thugs and the fact that you can be legally killed secretly, no the State doesn't defend your life.

[malkusm]

Sadly, this has been going on for a long time, and it won't stop until we pass an iron-clad rule forbidding police to seize property without a criminal conviction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_P._Scott


Early on the morning of October 2, 1992, 31 officers from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Border Patrol, National Guard and Park Service entered the Scott's 200-acre (0.81 km2) ranch. [2] They planned to arrest Scott for allegedly running a 4,000-plant marijuana plantation.[1] When deputies broke down the door to Scott's house, Scott's wife would later tell reporters, she screamed, "Don't shoot me. Don't kill me."[3] That brought Scott staggering out of the bedroom, bleary-eyed from a cataract operation -- holding a .38 caliber Colt snub-nosed revolver over his head.[4] When he emerged at the top of the stairs (note: this was a one-story residence), holding his gun over his head, the officers told him to lower the gun. As he did, they shot him to death. According to the official report, the gun was pointed at the officers when they shot him. [1]

Later, the lead agent in the case, sheriff's deputy Gary Spencer and his partner John Cater posed for photographs arm-in-arm outside Scott's cabin.[4]

Despite a subsequent search of Scott's ranch using helicopters, dogs, searchers on foot, and a high-tech Jet Propulsion Laboratory device for detecting trace amounts of sinsemilla, no marijuana -- or any other illegal drug -- was found.[5]

...

Michael D. Bradbury, the District Attorney of Ventura County conducted an investigation into the raid and the aftermath, issuing a report on the events leading up to and on October 2, 1992. [1] He concluded that asset forfeiture was a motive for the raid. [6][7]

[Bern]

Truth, justice and the American way!

[axiomata]

Cool sign in St. Louis

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1142/847595789_f1ae76e7b1.jpg

But the mural has its own problems. (http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/article_b57aacbe-b6e4-55d6-a3f3-3705d9101e2f.html)

[specsaregood]

Dirty f*&Cking sneaky trick.
This is such a beautiful place. No wonder the Feds want it. It has Nothing to do with drugs - its about POWER - CASH - GEOGRAPHY

Yeah, just checked. It was the RAVE act tacked onto the Amber alert bill. People often attack RP for his vote against the amber alert bill.
Thread with great OP on it:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?2778-A-good-argument-to-the-Amber-Alert-Bill

If someone calls Ron Paul a child molester or not protecting kids:


Joseph Liden sneakily snuck the Rave Act into a child abduction bill called the Amber Alert. This basically made the Rave bill easy to pass because anyone against it was going against child kidnappings. It was a sneaky move made by a guy bought out by music industry moguls. This is some reasons of why music is so controlled by Clearchannel and Viacom because of people like Biden.

What does the Amber Alert bill have in common with raves, music festivals and other gatherings of the masses? Plenty. The Amber Alert is the missing child-response program that utilizes the resources of national law enforcement and media to notify the public when children are kidnapped. Its name comes from the tragic kidnapping and murder of 9-year-old Amber Hagerman of Arlington, Texas, in 1996.
The Amber Alert easily passed 98-0 in the U.S. Senate and 400-25 in the House.

Midnight riders on bills are becoming S.O.P. in Congress. They're last-minute additions tacked on to bills that are already travelling through Congress. To ensure their passage, these riders are quietly implanted in bills favored to win congressional approval. Their concealment avoids the routine public hearings required before the new laws are introduced. Midnight riders often have little or nothing to do with the actual bill they're attached to.

Deeply embedded in the Amber Alert Act is a new law, which makes organizers of nearly every public event liable for prison time and fines up to $250,000, if drugs are found on the premises. That portion, which has already been given the moniker the "Rave Act," was buried in the Amber Alert bill by Democratic Senator Joe Biden. It's called the Rave Act because Biden believes those events promote drug use.

This puts concert and rave promoters at tremendous and unnecessary risk. It also creates a new sport for prosecutors who often use their position for future political ambitions. Just ask Rudy Giuliani.

Biden co-chairs the Senate NATO Observer Group and the Senate National Security Working Group. That apparently makes him an expert of raves and rock concerts.

In his home state of Delaware, Biden is known as a staunch crusader against drug abuse and underage drinking. The Senator is labeled a liberal for his opposition to the nomination of Attorney General John Ashcroft. He voted for the gay-friendly Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 1996, which would have prohibited job discrimination based on sexual orientation by federal employers. Biden was also a major supporter of Senator Barbara Boxer's unsuccessful 1993 amendment to modify President Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy regarding gays in the U.S. military. As it stands, that policy still permits the dishonorable discharge of gay and lesbian soldiers due to sexual orientation.

Biden's rave rules say if someone is found with any amount of pot, or any other substance deemed illegal, the promoter of the event can be popped. This puts promoters at tremendous risk. They're liable, even if they are unaware of drug usage and have made a good faith effort to prevent it.

So what will Biden's bill accomplish? Enforcement would lead to higher insurance rates for promoters. This means promoters, to cover their to-the-roof premiums, may be forced to increase the cost of attending events defined by Biden's rider. It also puts the damper on any roving raves now or in the future. It's not worth the risk of jail time and heavy fines.

It gets deeper. As it reads, the rider targets organizers of any event. This includes a permit-holder for a demonstration. Literal enforcement of the bill puts any promoted large public gatherings at risk. Just think of it as another chunk out of the Bill of Rights.

Word to the wise. If you're planning on attending the annual playing of the 1812 Overture at Blossom, leave the pot pipe at home. We don't want Loras John Schissel and his Blossom Festival Band to get busted.

Then there's the question of who's held responsible if someone's caught holding at a Biden re-election rally?

The FCC was forced to admit recently that its officials took questionable advantage of nearly $2.8 million in travel and entertainment since the Telecommunications Act was passed in 1996. FCC commissioners and other staffers were the recipients of more than 2,000 trips to destinations like Paris, Hong Kong, Rio de Janeiro, London, Beijing, Buenos Aires and closer to home, New Orleans, New York, Miami, Palm Springs, Atlanta and San Francisco. Topping the list was Las Vegas, with 330 trips.

The commissioners must really enjoy the radio stations in that city. You could say they were hooked. The National Association of Broadcasters, which represents radio and TV stations and Viacom, which owns CBS TV, Infinity radio, MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon, TNN and other media holdings, were among the groups covering the tabs for the FCC. What's the old saying? Never underestimate the value of a cash bribe?

The Center for Public Integrity reported that FCC Chairman Michael Powell, who's never met a media regulation he'd like to keep, racked up the greatest amount of frequent flyer miles with 44 first-class trips at a cost of $84,921. That averages out to over $1,930 per trip. Powell, the number one son of Secretary of State Colin Powell, is forced to fly first class due to a pelvic injury he suffered in a vehicle accident while serving in the U.S. Army. Poor bastard.

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, just checked. It was the RAVE act tacked onto the Amber alert bill. People often attack RP for his vote against the amber alert bill.

No loss of freedom is too much as long as fighting the evil scourge of drogas.

*facepalm*

[Romulus]

Fccccckkkk Joe Biden.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://www.campzoe.com/

Dear friends and family of Camp Zoe. We are sad to report the federal government is apparently attempting to shut down Camp Zoe. They raided the campground on Monday, November 1, 2010 around 7:30 a.m.. They had a search warrant looking for gate revenue from the Spookstock 9 (Oct. 29+30) festival weekend and any financial records. They came in with 70+ officers from the IRS, DEA, Homeland Security, Highway patrol, and local & regional police officers. They confiscated gate receipt money from the weekend that was not already deposited in the bank. They also confiscated some computers and some paperwork from the file cabinets in the offices onsite. One patron was arrested for previous warrants unrelated to Camp Zoe. The same day the IRS seized all the money in the Camp Zoe bank account - which included most of the gate receipts for the Spookstock 9 weekend. This money was to be used to pay staff, artists, security, production (lights & sound), trash pickup, etc. for the festival weekend. It was also to be used for the basic bills for Camp Zoe to get the business through the winter - mortgage, electric, insurance, phones, advertising, staff, etc. On November 8 they also filed an application to seize the Camp Zoe property. No arrest warrants have yet been issued for any of the Camp Zoe staff or owners. All of us at Camp Zoe are doing everything we can to prevent the land seizure and to get the money back they took from the business. We have hired a team of attorneys to represent us on all these matters. Many of you have already reached out to offer financial help as well as moral support. We do really appreciate it. There has been another account set up to collect donations to help pay for attorney fees and basic bills for Camp Zoe while all of this gets sorted out. Our goal is to prove our innocence and to stay in business. Please send donations to :

PAYPAL

--- OR YOU CAN SEND A CHECK OR MONEY ORDER ---

Make Payable To :
“Save Camp Zoe Fund c/o Riezman Berger”

MAIL TO:
Riezman Berger PC
7700 Bonhomme Ave., 7th Floor
Clayton, Missouri 63105

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Info on a benefit concert March 4th in Kansas City $12 at door UPTOWN THEATER 7pm

Then links to a bunch of news articles on that page.

Petition to Save Camp Zoe
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=542060238#!/home.php?sk=group_160103224024706&notif_t=group_activity

[tangent4ronpaul]

It seems like something liberty / tea party candidates and congress critters could do is move separate draconian laws like this from the must pass or popular bills they were piggybacked on and then publicizing the hell out of what got passed, calling for repeal after separation.

This could be a great campaign issue, or rather pair of them.

One subject at a time
Clean up / remove repugnant laws on the books
End government abuse

-t

[Kylie]

I live right by there and have never heard of this.

Schwagstock is the shit. It's mellow, and everyone is pretty happy. This is such bullshit.

Not one person has been charged with a crime, so how does the government justify stealing money and land?

[pcosmar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imZjqvdYt8I

Well,,that explains it.

:mad: