The Story Behind the Story on Wisconsin Union Protest

[Lois]

WEAC's WEA Trust Scam at Stake in Collective Bargaining Reform


http://www.educationnews.org/ed_reports/education_organizations/108345.html



Gov. Walker recently cited WEA Trust as the number one reason for collective bargaining reform.

[libertybrewcity]

They are also heavily involved in state politics. They are the reason why we don't have Ed Thompson as the 20th senator.

[AuH20]

But I thought this was all about the children. Poor naive me.:D

[Lois]

Why didn't we hear about this healthcare scam in the Mainstream Media, I wonder.

[dannno]

Thank you for posting!!!!!

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[dannno]

Can anybody else download the report?


http://www.publicschoolspending.com/spending-analyses/wea-trust-report/


I'm not sure if it's heavy traffic or what, I'm having a hell of a time accessing it.



I sent this article to my progressive friend, these are the replies I got:



Credible sources with no ideological agenda only, thanks.


Seriously? You ral against corporations but you want to hand over everything to them. You worry about a tyrranical government yet you oppose a union for public employees that inessence acts as a bulwark from a tyranical government.


I have my responses all laid out, I just want to skim through that PDF file source real quick..

[FrankRep]

http://thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/11aFebruary/scottwalker-t-ap.001.jpg



As the protests in Wisconsin move into their second week, The New American took a look at Gov. Scott Walker’s proposed reforms (the so-called “budget repair bill”), critics’ claims, and the fiscal situation of the state, with state and local governments facing massive deficits, including enormous unfunded government-employee pension liabilities of around billion.



Wisconsin Protests: The Reforms, The Reality (http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6458-wisconsin-protests-the-reforms-the-reality)


Alex Newman | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
24 February 2011

[dannno]

Can anybody else download the report?


http://www.publicschoolspending.com/spending-analyses/wea-trust-report/


Ok, I finally got it, not sure what the issue was.


And here is my response:


Here's the credible report that was cited in the article:

http://www.publicschoolspending.com/spending-analyses/wea-trust-report/


That is pretty much standard operating procedure for unions, I assumed that stuff was happening..I just didn't know it was so out in the open and documented in this case.. but what else should I expect from our media? Actual reporting? Hah.

Why do you think most Republicans hate unions? It isn't because they don't support free association of individuals, those kinds of unions Republicans support, it's part of the first amendment. It isn't because they blindly support the large companies, it is because they don't want large companies taking advantage of them by getting them entrenched into an institution mandated by government. The corruption that occurs is hurting teachers, it is hurting taxpayers and most of all it is hurting the children who the money is essentially being stolen from (even though it was stolen from taxpayers first, at least they thought it was going to educate children, not line the pockets of some insurance scam company that is in bed with the unions).

If you want to know what is happening in WI, I'd read the article carefully. The union and the insurance company is no doubt helping the protest, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of those doctors handing out sick notes were in bed with that particular medical insurance company.



"Seriously dan? You ral against corporations but you want to hand over everything to them. You worry about a tyrranical government yet you oppose a union for public employees that inessence acts as a bulwark from a tyranical government."


As you can see from the article, it is in fact the opposite of what you just said.. Evil corporations piggy-back on government to take advantage of people. Without the government coercion, the corporations have no recourse to take advantage without using violence or coercion themselves. If the sole job of government was to protect individuals from violence and coercion, what could corporations do that would take advantage of people in a free society? Not too much, and if they do, then they will be out of business right quick.

[dannno]

His response:


Its called solidaity, and 86% of Americans support the Wisconsin strikers. So its a minority who either has their head in the clouds or have their own selfish purposes.



PS
I don't waste my time reading bs.



What the hell do you say to that?!

[TonySutton]

Are those numbers from a legitimate poll? The recent Rasmussen poll did not reflect numbers that would make those sound valid.

[dannno]

His response:




What the hell do you say to that?!


My response:


If 86% of the public supports the strikers, then the mainstream media obviously has an agenda. I never go along with the mainstream media when they become agenda driven like that. I am ok with small time media that has agendas if they are information driven. The strikers and those who support the strikers either don't have all the information because the media isn't giving it to them, or they are purposely ignoring it.

It sounds like the selfish ones are the people running the unions and the fraudulent medical insurance scams stealing millions of dollars from children and taxpayers. The govt is merely facilitating the fraud, but it looks like a brave Governor is trying to help the state, the children and the taxpayers against corrupt union thuggery and a rabid media. That's pretty commendable.




Are those numbers from a legitimate poll? The recent Rasmussen poll did not reflect numbers that would make those sound valid.

No clue.

[dannno]

This is probably the most important thread on WI we've had yet I think bump :confused:

[Ninja Homer]

His response:

What the hell do you say to that?!

Some sheep will fight to the end to remain a sheep. There may not be much you can do about it until a critical government failure affects them personally.

This seems like the latest progressive thing to do... rather than argue the logic and facts presented to them, they try their damndest to discredit the source so they can continue to pretend they're right. It's frustrating as hell. One thing that sometimes works is to say something like, "Here are the facts, here's the source. If you don't believe the facts or don't trust the source, then find another source that proves the facts are wrong. Until that time, I'll assume I'm right."

[dannno]

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[jm1776]

This is a very good article, should be of some help.

The Political Economy of Government Employee Unions (http://mises.org/daily/5072/The-Political-Economy-of-Government-Employee-Unions)
by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

http://mises.org/daily/5072/The-Political-Economy-of-Government-Employee-Unions


The main reason why so many state and local governments are bankrupt, or on the verge of bankruptcy, is the combination of government-run monopolies and government-employee unions. Government-employee unions have vastly more power than do private-sector unions because the entities they work for are typically monopolies.
...

[dannno]

This is a very good article, should be of some help.

The Political Economy of Government Employee Unions (http://mises.org/daily/5072/The-Political-Economy-of-Government-Employee-Unions)
by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

http://mises.org/daily/5072/The-Political-Economy-of-Government-Employee-Unions


...


Excellent

[dannno]

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[dannno]

Man does this thread need a different title or something?

[JK/SEA]

Yeah..

''WHY I WASTE MY ENERGY AND TIME ON A MINOR ISSUE'' instead of focusing on the real problems.

[dannno]

Yeah..

''WHY I WASTE MY ENERGY AND TIME ON A MINOR ISSUE'' instead of focusing on the real problems.

You don't think this is an important issue?!? This is the current liberal rallying call across America, and this document exposes the whole thing for a giant deception!

It is a cookie cutter example of how government unions are causing massive amounts of corruption and debt!! This is one of the most important things on the forum right now.. and I think it isn't getting attention because of the non-specific title..on top of the fact that I think sometimes this forum tends to ignore major events that the mainstream media is drumming up, but when something important like this comes up it is worth spreading because it contradicts everything they are drumming up!

[JK/SEA]

I disagree. There has been numerous threads on this topic.

Just so you know, i will be posting a thread topic on this. Lets see how many replies it receives, or posts indicating their indignation.

35 billion....TAXPAYERS MONEY. Just think how many teachers we could get with that money.

http://www.komonews.com/news/boeing/116914448.html

sorry for the thread derail.

[moostraks]

You don't think this is an important issue?!? This is the current liberal rallying call across America, and this document exposes the whole thing for a giant deception!

It is a cookie cutter example of how government unions are causing massive amounts of corruption and debt!! This is one of the most important things on the forum right now.. and I think it isn't getting attention because of the non-specific title..on top of the fact that I think sometimes this forum tends to ignore major events that the mainstream media is drumming up, but when something important like this comes up it is worth spreading because it contradicts everything they are drumming up!

Both sides are corrupt on this issue.

[dannno]

Both sides are corrupt on this issue.

Ya, so let's expose the corruption on both sides!

[dannno]

I disagree. There has been numerous threads on this topic.



What? Where?! I think you mean, there have been numerous threads on WISCONSIN, not numerous threads on the article in the OP..

[dannno]

I am completely baffled why this thread isn't 20 pages long and constantly on the front page..

[dannno]

bump :confused:

[dannno]

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[specsaregood]

I am completely baffled why this thread isn't 20 pages long and constantly on the front page..

It is because there is no content in the OP that whets peoples' appetite and makes them feel like clicking the link to read.

[Romulus]

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[Ninja Homer]

I am completely baffled why this thread isn't 20 pages long and constantly on the front page..

ditto.

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READ this people! (http://www.educationnews.org/ed_reports/education_organizations/108345.html)

[dannno]

It is because there is no content in the OP that whets peoples' appetite and makes them feel like clicking the link to read.

Ya, that's probably it..