Obama on now talking about interviening w/ Libya

[tangent4ronpaul]

developing...

[Dr.3D]

I hope you were not holding your breath that he wouldn't intervene. I could see this coming a few days ago.

[ItsTime]

We need another country in our empire.

[LudwigVonMisoSoup]

Obama going to be intervening to help protect the people oil.

[Dr.3D]

We need another country in our empire.

'We need to make sure we can get our oil out of that area!'

[ItsTime]

^ I figured that went hand in hand.

[jclay2]

Source?

[BuddyRey]

Let's see him just try to dip his toes into the $h!+storm brewing in that part of the world right now. It'll be just like Reagan going to Lebanon and then having to "turn tail and run", only exacerbated by all of the other uprisings in surrounding countries. Unless he's prepared to drastically draw down in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, I have no idea how he'd even think it logistically possible to try and pull something like this.

[awake]

Under what pretext?

[pcosmar]

On which side?

[Dr.3D]

^ I figured that went hand in hand.

Oh you are correct! I was just musing about someone I heard the other day talking about our oil in the middle east.

[ItsTime]

Yeah it burns my blood to hear "our oil"

[mczerone]

So will the bumper sticker laden Obama supporters remove their Obama, Peace, or "no blood for oil" sticker? One of them has to go.

[awake]

I found a video with the possible pretext for intervention... really wacked out line dancing... ya that's it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsPOiflvHX4&playnext=1&list=PL319ACBCE79256303

[moostraks]

By intervene does that mean extort the American taxpayers for more unjust war or extort the American taxpayers to buy off the new dictator?

[jclay2]

Where is this story coming from? Can someone shed some light on "obama's intervention talk"?

[sailingaway]

No. There is a Rasmussen poll today they won't like, I'll be back with it. Here we go: 67% Say U.S. Should Steer Clear of Political Unrest in Arab Nations http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/israel_the_middle_east/67_say_u_s_should_steer_clear_of_political_unrest_ in_arab_nations

But I'm not surprised. George Stuffaffuffa tried to get Rand to say that military intervention in Libya would be warranted, this morning. (Didn't happen.)

[sailingaway]

Awake, is the bumper sticker in your signature for sale anywhere?

[mczerone]

Awake, is the bumper sticker in your signature for sale anywhere?

I thought the same thing! I even tried looking at the source/filename to see if I could get clues on how to find one.

[driller80545]

Let's see him just try to dip his toes into the $h!+storm brewing in that part of the world right now. It'll be just like Reagan going to Lebanon and then having to "turn tail and run", only exacerbated by all of the other uprisings in surrounding countries. Unless he's prepared to drastically draw down in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, I have no idea how he'd even think it logistically possible to try and pull something like this.


Maybe he intends to reinstate the draft? lol

[Aldanga]

I thought the same thing! I even tried looking at the source/filename to see if I could get clues on how to find one.

Check the first link in his signature.

[Fredom101]

So will the bumper sticker laden Obama supporters remove their Obama, Peace, or "no blood for oil" sticker? One of them has to go.

Don't hold your breath on that. They will spread the propaganda about their guy because "imagine how much worse it would be if a Republican took over!"

See, there's always relativism- their attitude is "sure our guy may be a big war monger, but he's 1% less of a war monger as your guy!"

[georgiaboy]

peacekeeping mission.

[UtahApocalypse]

Who has more Oil EXPORT? Egypt or Libya..... that will tell you the facts of why were getting involved this time.

[sevin]

Didn't Castro just predict this yesterday?

[sailingaway]

Check the first link in his signature.

Man, some of that stuff is great! http://rlv.zcache.com/warispeace_poster-p2282378560807194398n489_210.jpg

[Chieppa1]

Western government will treat each of the new countries like its free agency. 20 year contract worth $20 Billion.

[ihsv]

Obama says U.S. readying full range of options on Libya
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/23/us-libya-usa-obama-statement-idUSTRE71M76T20110223

Need a pretext? ABC is reporting that "Gaddafi accused of ordering Lockerbie bombing"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/24/3147217.htm

I haven't read either one of these, just the headlines.

[RonPaulCult]

Source?

No seriously - what's the source of this "information"

[South Park Fan]

So Obama's going to prove Gaddafi right that to oppose him would be to support American occupation of Libya?

[sailingaway]

Man, some of that stuff is great! http://rlv.zcache.com/warispeace_poster-p2282378560807194398n489_210.jpg

He goes into Libya and that poster becomes my avatar.

Might, anyway.

[gls]

Don't hold your breath on that. They will spread the propaganda about their guy because "imagine how much worse it would be if a Republican took over!"

See, there's always relativism- their attitude is "sure our guy may be a big war monger, but he's 1% less of a war monger as your guy!"

Partisan delusion knows no bounds. I clearly remember top Democrats feigning concern about the budget back when Dubya was president and was running $300 billion annual deficits, yet you don't hear a peep when their guy does the same thing except FIVE TIMES WORSE.

[awake]

Yes, it is, it's in the Revolution Wear link in my signature. Murray Rothbard gave me the slogan...lol.

[Vessol]

He sure is putting that Noble Peace Prize to good use.

[sailingaway]

Yes, it is, it's in the Revolution Wear link in my signature. Murray Rothbard gave me the slogan...lol.

I'm just debating how many, at the moment....

[amy31416]

Last I heard, Hillary's yapping about sanctions on Libya for their brutality towards their citizens.

Talk about laughable, no matter which way you slice it....

[Anti Federalist]

So, has anybody gone to DU or Kos or HuffPo to gauge the "liberals" reaction to this?

I'd love to see the justifications for this.

[South Park Fan]

Sorry to get off topic, but where have all the protesters gotten their pre-1969 Libyan flags from? Since they have been banned by Gaddafi, would they have had to get them on the black market?

[awake]

I have seen them reporting Qaddafi ordered the Lockerbie bombing... he would be a terrorist that must be removed.
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359910/Libyas-Gaddafi-DID-personally-order-Lockerbie-bombing-claims-Justice-minister.html)

[FunkBuddha]

Hopefully this will end before the US and/or the UN step in.

From what I've gathered from the Twitter they want to take care of this themselves.

[ItsTime]

Man, some of that stuff is great! http://rlv.zcache.com/warispeace_poster-p2282378560807194398n489_210.jpg

Do you have a larger version?

[sailingaway]

Do you have a larger version?

If you go into the first link on awake's signature, there are a couple of different sizes. If you mean larger than those, I don't know.

[ItsTime]

^ Thanks Ill check it out

[tangent4ronpaul]

No seriously - what's the source of this "information"

Live broadcast. Obama's lips moving. The news channel have been talking about it ever since. Some folks have posted newpaper links since.

-t

[awake]

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[tangent4ronpaul]

Last I heard, Hillary's yapping about sanctions on Libya for their brutality towards their citizens.

Talk about laughable, no matter which way you slice it....

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5425.htm#foreign

In recognition of these actions, the U.S. began the process of normalizing relations with Libya. The U.S. terminated the applicability of the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act to Libya and President Bush signed an Executive Order on September 20, 2004 terminating the national emergency with respect to Libya and ending IEEPA-based economic sanctions. This action had the effect of unblocking assets blocked under the Executive Order sanctions. Restrictions on cargo aviation and third-party code-sharing have been lifted, as have restrictions on passenger aviation. Certain export controls remain in place.

Google had this clip from their page, but I didn't find it on the page:
In May 2010, the U.S. and Libya signed a Trade Investment Framework Agreement. ...

Yeah, I know what you are talking about.

[Fredom101]

Partisan delusion knows no bounds. I clearly remember top Democrats feigning concern about the budget back when Dubya was president and was running $300 billion annual deficits, yet you don't hear a peep when their guy does the same thing except FIVE TIMES WORSE.

Yep, and now W is looking like a "small government" president in comparison, even though what he did to expand government was mind-boggling compared to Clinton!

[mczerone]

Yep, and now W is looking like a "small government" president in comparison, even though what he did to expand government was mind-boggling compared to Clinton!

Obama:Bush::FDR:Hoover

At least FDR ended prohibition. So Obama is worse than FDR.

[ravedown]

how long will it take us to intervene if shit starts getting bad in Saudi Arabia? i say about 10 minutes.

[amy31416]

how long will it take us to intervene if shit starts getting bad in Saudi Arabia? i say about 10 minutes.

Saudi Arabia is taking preventive measures:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b02f1ffa-3f62-11e0-8e48-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1EplWRzZO


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Saudi’s $36bn bid to beat unrest

By Abeer Allam
Published: February 23 2011 16:21 | Last updated: February 23 2011 18:37
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia announced financial support measures, worth an estimated SR135bn ($36bn), in a bid to avert the kind of popular unrest that has toppled leaders across the region and is now closing in on Libya’s Muammer Gaddafi.

The measures include a 15 per cent salary rise for public employees to offset inflation, reprieves for imprisoned debtors, and financial aid for students and the unemployed.

Saudi Arabia’s ruling family has thus far been spared the type of popular discontent that has toppled presidents in Tunisia and Egypt and brought Libya to the brink of civil war.

The announcement of the Saudi relief measures coincided with King Abdullah’s return to the country after three months. He had been abroad for medical treatment. Among those on hand to greet him was King Hamid bin Isa al-Khalifa of neighbouring Bahrain, which is struggling to contain a surging opposition movement.



(more at link)

[jclay2]

Saudi Arabia is taking preventive measures:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b02f1ffa-3f62-11e0-8e48-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1EplWRzZO


(more at link)

Yep. They know how to spot a trend. But it is interesting that they had to pay off the population at $ 1400 / person. This is roughly equivalent to $ 3000 here for EVERY person!

[Bman]

THEY HAVE OIL!!!.. I mean it's time we listen to the people who want democracy.

[awake]

"...the “responsibility to protect” doctrine, which would oblige the international community to take action if a sovereign country is obviously failing to protect its citizens from mass atrocities. The concept has won support from the UN in recent years, but Libya could be a crucial test of the principle. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/world-leaders-unsure-of-how-to-respond-to-gadhafi/article1918231/)In fact, the UN Security Council statement on Tuesday included – for the first time in history – an explicit reference to the “responsibility to protect” principle. “The members of the Security Council called on the government of Libya to meet its responsibility to protect its population,” the statement said." (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideast/world-leaders-unsure-of-how-to-respond-to-gadhafi/article1918231/)

[QueenB4Liberty]

He better not intervene.

[coastie]

He better not intervene.

Dont worry..."he" won't be the one on the ground intervening.

;)

[sailingaway]

215

Do you have any problem with me using that as my avatar? I'll include the revolution wear link in my sig for as long as I do....

[QueenB4Liberty]

Dont worry..."he" won't be the one on the ground intervening.

;)

This is true.

I'd like to see him reinstate the draft. Then we'll see how many anti-war Democrats we have.

[Zippyjuan]

Does anybody have a link to Obama saying he will intervene in Libia? I can't find anything.

Not a whole lot the US could do even if it wanted to.

[HOLLYWOOD]

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5425.htm#foreign

In recognition of these actions, the U.S. began the process of normalizing relations with Libya. The U.S. terminated the applicability of the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act to Libya and President Bush signed an Executive Order on September 20, 2004 terminating the national emergency with respect to Libya and ending IEEPA-based economic sanctions. This action had the effect of unblocking assets blocked under the Executive Order sanctions. Restrictions on cargo aviation and third-party code-sharing have been lifted, as have restrictions on passenger aviation. Certain export controls remain in place.

Google had this clip from their page, but I didn't find it on the page:
In May 2010, the U.S. and Libya signed a Trade Investment Framework Agreement. ...

Yeah, I know what you are talking about.

This deal was struck when US and Euro Oil companies started pumping CRUDE OIL and NATGAS out of Libya's territory. Sounds like another US foreign POLICE WAR because they have Oil and NATGAS... surprise, surprise, surprise.

Let's see, any Oil in Somailia? Sudan? China? Philippines? Djibouti?

Sounds like the Prostitute In Chief had a visit from: Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, Blackwater/XE, Northrop Gruman, General Dynamics, KBR, SAIC, etc etc etc

[awake]

"Do you have any problem with me using that as my avatar? I'll include the revolution wear link in my sig for as long as I do.... "

Use it as you wish.

[TheDriver]

It would make more sense to enforce a no-fly zone over a country attacking their own people, than Iraq, imo.

[sailingaway]

"Do you have any problem with me using that as my avatar? I'll include the revolution wear link in my sig for as long as I do.... "

Use it as you wish.

Thank you!

If he goes in, it goes up...and maybe even if he doesn't....

[sailingaway]

It would make more sense to enforce a no-fly zone over a country attacking their own people, than Iraq, imo.

Yes, because we can trust our leaders to stay within their authorization once they get authority.

Which actually is going to be a real problem if our national security is threatened. Illegitimate government is problematic all around.

[libertybrewcity]

Not military intervention, sanctions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/24/obama-gaddafi-libya-violence-speech

[coastie]

Not military intervention, sanctions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/24/obama-gaddafi-libya-violence-speech

Oh. Right.

"We'll just starve the people yearning for freedom and destroy their economy while we're at it."

Yeah. That'll show Gaddafi.:rolleyes:

/s





Fucking idiots.:mad:

[TheDriver]

Yes, because we can trust our leaders to stay within their authorization once they get authority.

Which actually is going to be a real problem if our national security is threatened. Illegitimate government is problematic all around.

Are you disagreeing with my logic? LOL!

[ihsv]

Australia urges UN action on Libya
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3147701.htm

[TheDriver]

It's a little late for the no-fly zone now, 3 days ago it could have made sense, more sense the current wars we are fighting.

[ExPatPaki]

Official: U.S. military options for Libya being planned (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/24/libya.pentagon/)

(CNN) -- In the first indication the crisis with Libya could take on a military dimension, the Pentagon is looking at "all options" it can offer President Barack Obama in dealing with the Libyan crisis a senior U.S. military official tells CNN.

The official declined to be identified because of the extremely sensitive nature of the situation but he has direct knowledge of the current military planning effort.

"Our job is to give options from the military side and that is what we are thinking about now," he said. "We will provide the president with options should he need them."

The official said the "prudent planning" for military options centers around the president's priorities of protecting U.S. citizens and interests and stopping the violence against Libyan civilians. He cautioned against thinking the U.S. military "was about to storm the beaches" but he also declined to specifically rule out the use of military force.

So far the State Department has not requested the U.S. military to assist in the evacuation of civilians from Libya, something it would specifically have to request. Several U.S. officials have confirmed to CNN there is a vigorous debate inside the administration about whether to involve the military because of concern it could cause further provocations by the Libyan regime.

[Doug8796]

Further proof the neocons and liberals are one and the same.

[sailingaway]

It's a little late for the no-fly zone now, 3 days ago it could have made sense, more sense the current wars we are fighting.

If we got to pick and get rid of others, in return.

The lack of common sense on leaving once there makes entering for any reason a pretty big step.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Who was it in the US Government that stated, "Africa is Next"?

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Africom_emblem_2.svg/200px-Africom_emblem_2.svg.png

U.S. Africa Command completed fiscal year 2010 with approximately 2,000 assigned personnel, which includes military, civilian, contractor, and host nation employees. The command’s main headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart).

LOL based out of Germany

[Matt Collins]

Looks like Hillary and Obama are getting ready to invade, or set up a No Fly Zone in Libya:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Mp-N5T1Xo&feature=uploademail