States w/no union bargaining rights.

[Lord Xar]

Anyone out there do the foot work on this already?

Curious if the states with no Public Union Bargaining rights have lower debt, higher school scoring etc.... wondering if any correlation can be made.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Well, I'd love to agree with you, but North Carolina is one of the few states with no Public Union Bargaining rights...

Granted the state has been run by Democrats since 1898 though.

[coastie]

Anyone out there do the foot work on this already?

Curious if the states with no Public Union Bargaining rights have lower debt, higher school scoring etc.... wondering if any correlation can be made.

Funny you started this thread, I was just starting to do exactly that, and have only come up with collective bargaining vs. SAT scores...http://edudemic.com/2011/02/proof-that-having-no-collective-bargaining-for-teachers-hurts-students/

Still looking though.

[Deborah K]

Here's some info:

http://www.nrtw.org/d/rtwempl.htm


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[olehounddog]

And we are #7 on the list for going bankrupt. Yes the d's have run things for a long time. We'll see what if anything the r's can do. The problem as I see it, is all people involved at the local level are current or ex government empolyees. They are on the dole.

[Michael Landon]

And we are #7 on the list for going bankrupt. Yes the d's have run things for a long time. We'll see what if anything the r's can do. The problem as I see it, is all people involved at the local level are current or ex government empolyees. They are on the dole.

With the exception of of Ron Paul, aren't all the government employees on the dole? Seriously.

- ML

[libertybrewcity]

I don't there is any correlation between the two. Bargaining rights means higher SAT scores? There are a million other factors that go into it. Poverty rate, dropout rates, money going into the schools.. It really doesn't make much sense. A teacher making 40k a year is still going to do the same job than if he/she makes 50k.

[Jeremy]

With the exception of of Ron Paul, aren't all the government employees on the dole? Seriously.

- ML

No.

[olehounddog]

With the exception of of Ron Paul, aren't all the government employees on the dole? Seriously.

- ML

True.

[Philhelm]

A teacher making 40k a year is still going to do the same job than if he/she makes 50k.

Apparently that isn't the case if the 40k/year teacher goes on strike.

[erowe1]

Funny you started this thread, I was just starting to do exactly that, and have only come up with collective bargaining vs. SAT scores...http://edudemic.com/2011/02/proof-that-having-no-collective-bargaining-for-teachers-hurts-students/

Still looking though.

1) That article does exactly what all the teachers' unions say you shouldn't do, which is judge how good they are by comparing test results.

2) And if they are going to use those test numbers, shouldn't they also compare how much money per pupil these states spend? I'm going to go way out on a limb and say that the states with unionized teachers waste, er, I mean, spend, far more money on their education, probably a lot more than what it would be worth for the tax payers just to get slightly higher SAT scores.

[olehounddog]

http://www.epodunk.com/top10/per_pupil/

Here is a list of money pre student for each state.

[RokiLothbard]

Stop it with the Orwellian vocabulary usage.

Bargaining takes two parties. If one party doesn't want to do any bargaining, nobody's "rights" have been violated. If two parties decide they do want to bargain no new "rights" have been created.

[erowe1]

http://www.epodunk.com/top10/per_pupil/

Here is a list of money pre student for each state.

Bingo. The states with no collective bargaining for teachers waste a lot less on their education.

Who cares if they have lower SAT scores? If tax payers in those states want kids to get higher SAT scores then they can take some of the money they're saving and use it to put kids in Kaplan courses or whatever. And if they're choosing not to do that, then that only confirms that they've decided they have better things to spend their money on.

[erowe1]

Stop it with the Orwellian vocabulary usage.

Bargaining takes two parties. If one party doesn't want to do any bargaining, nobody's "rights" have been violated. If two parties decide they do want to bargain no new "rights" have been created.

That too.

[nobody's_hero]

Georgia is a right-to-work state.

We have no teacher's 'unions', but we have things called 'teacher's associations.'

While there's no power to contract with the state, make no mistake: The influence of these associations can sometimes be just as powerful as unions. Georgia has something like 100,000 public teachers. No politician is going to snub 100,000 votes.