MoneyBomb!!! Potential Dates for RP2012

[ronpaulhawaii]

Thanks to everyone who is participating in the various threads on this issue. The original discussion is here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?280826-MoneyBomb!!!-Analysis-and-Discussion-for-2012) and a poll regarding frequency is here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?280895-POLL-Ron-Paul-MoneyBomb-Frequency)

Some great ideas, themes, and dates have been coming out of the above linked threads. This thread will work on boiling down actual dates. Nothing is written in stone, this is all up for discussion.

The Frequency Poll shows a %85 favor quarterly bombs, (but some good arguments were made about options not on the poll...) My takeaway is that people do not want to lay them one on top of another, and are concerned with ensuring enough time to promote (and save) for them.

There was a bit of discussion regarding waiting for RP to announce and the spontaneous bomb that will result. I think that deserves it's own thread and have some ideas for that. I think the sling idea deserves it's own thread as well.

There are a few points made about days of week, holidays, and paydays that should be taken into account

Disregarding the two events above, I saw a few other dates looking popular.

Spring - April 15th, TaxDay - We don't know if RP will announce by then so this bomb will have to be planned with that up in the air. It will be a Fri, this year and there will be Tea Party/r3VOLution Rallys coinciding with the date... (edit to add April 30th and May Day )

Summer - An multi-pronged event surrounding the 4th of July (which falls on a Monday)

Fall - November 5th - This is a traditional date. Falls on a Saturday this year. I am not sold that this date has hell of a lot of value for us. For certain the MSM will repeat Guy Fawkes ad nauseum, I also think that the gap between the summer and fall bombs is a bit large, and it crowds the Winter bomb a bit. I don't think we can really use events from '08 as a gauge for planning. There was a sense of urgency due to our late start, adding to that the adrenaline rush of the 11/5 success... Lots of things came together for that. Also, we have the point about having bombs towards the beginning of the reporting periods... Again, I am only one voice here. EDIT- Matt has suggested Taft Day Sept 8 .

Dec 16th is a Fri. - I think we need to be all over this. First, it reminds people who started the whole TeaParty Revival; Second, it will create lots of earned media as we go into IA and NH, 3rd, an overflowing warchest going into IA and NH has too many positives to list...

Some people voted for more frequent bombs and very few voted for less. That tells me that we might be able to squeeze another in between July 4th and Nov. 5th (if we keep Nov 5th)

Thoughts on these dates? others? and things we haven't considered yet?

In summary,

April 15, 30th, or May 1st (2nd)?
July 2-5th
[EDIT - Sept 8th (Taft Day)]
Nov 5th
Dec 16th

Thanks

[CaseyJones]

do not forget the idea of a Money Hour during the debates, people will be going to his site to look him up and if they see the ticker just flying at 10 or 20K a minute that would be huge

[ronpaulhawaii]

do not forget the idea of a Money Hour during the debates, people will be going to his site to look him up and if they see the ticker just flying at 10 or 20K a minute that would be huge

I think the Money Hour, SlingShot, and Recurring Subscription efforts fall outside the "moneybomb" model...

[ItsTime]

One in mid-may for small $5/10/20 MONTHY donations? I believe the campaign had a system set up so they could bill your credit card monthly. We should do that early on.

[Bobster]

I really liked the idea of April 30th that someone mentioned. It's after tax day which ensures most people will have a refund. In addition, it will help fund Paul's warchest early on.

I do think we need one before the first debate regardless.

[ItsTime]

I really liked the idea of April 30th that someone mentioned. It's after tax day which ensures most people will have a refund. In addition, it will help fund Paul's warchest early on.

I do think we need one before the first debate regardless.

Like a "Refund For Freedom" moneybomb hmm interesting.

[malkusm]

I posted this in the chat the other day....I like the idea of Thursday, September 8th as our Q3 moneybomb, which bridges the gap nicely between early July and the November 5th date.

September 8th is the birthday of "Mr. Republican," Senator Robert Taft, who was a strong non-interventionist and stood firmly against American involvement in such entangling alliances as NATO and the United Nations. Ron Paul frequently cites Taft as one of his major influences.

I think it would be a great way to "Call the GOP Back to its Roots" as the Rally for the Republic sign said.

[muzzled dogg]

I said may 1 may day day before the first debate

Rp will be on top of the new York times bestseller list at this time (book comes out april 19)

[ronpaulhawaii]

I've added the mentioned dates to the OP

[Bobster]

I'm down with the Taft day. May 1st is a good date. We could still roll with the Refund for Freedom idea as well.

[Mark37snj]

May 1, day before first debate on May 2. NOS for the DE bate.

[muzzled dogg]

I take that back may 1 is a Sunday :/

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I take that back may 1 is a Sunday :/

why not have the May Day Moneybomb on May 2nd. I know it's the day of the debate, but that's ok. Ron may inspire more donations during the broadcast. We'll just have to make sure plenty of donations come in early.

[ItsTime]

Yeah, why not a debate day moneybomb. I think it is a good idea.

[nayjevin]

cause the day before the debate gives him a chance to mention it during the debate.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

cause the day before the debate gives him a chance to mention it during the debate.

or he could say "We're having a moneybomb today and have already raised X dollars."

These debates are in the evening, right?

[nayjevin]

true true

[muzzled dogg]

^True

[Michael P]

Yeah, why not a debate day moneybomb. I think it is a good idea.

agree

[doodle]

May 1st, 2003 = Bush "Mission Accomplished!"

Which by the way is apparently the day before the first debate! Ron could steal the thunder of the debate day publicity with the news of an enormous grassroots money bomb. He can bring it up in his arguments onstage, too...

Great idea !

[ItsTime]

Ron Paul will not become the gop nominee if we focus on the war.

[Disconsolate]

I'm thinking the May 1st or 2nd money bomb is a good idea.

If we can get his Q1 numbers above $1,000,000 and then have a huge money bomb for him May 1st/2nd, then he'll have a lot of encouragement on stage.

[Elwar]

April 15 we need rallies...lots of them.

Along with handing out flyers at the opening to Atlas Shrugged as people walk out of the theater.

[doodle]

Ron Paul will not become the gop nominee if we focus on the war.

Obama became President of the US by focussing on the war.

But highlighting masive blunders of judgments like "mission accomplished" could be just as well seen as focus on wasteful policies, economc bankruptcy, dimisnished liberties that show anything BUT "mission accomplished".

[UtahApocalypse]

July 2nd - Sign Bomb, 2nd-3rd - Charity for Ron, July 2nd - 4th Independence weekend Money Bomb

[pacelli]

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Fall - November 5th - This is a traditional date. Falls on a Saturday this year. I am not sold that this date has hell of a lot of value for us. For certain the MSM will repeat Guy Fawkes ad nauseum, I also think that the gap between the summer and fall bombs is a bit large, and it crowds the Winter bomb a bit.

I don't think we can really use events from '08 as a gauge for planning. There was a sense of urgency due to our late start, adding to that the adrenaline rush of the 11/5 success... Lots of things came together for that. Also, we have the point about having bombs towards the beginning of the reporting periods... Again, I am only one voice here. EDIT- Matt has suggested Taft Day Sept 8 .

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In summary,

April 15, 30th, or May 1st (2nd)?
July 2-5th
[EDIT - Sept 8th (Taft Day)]
Nov 5th
Dec 16th

Thanks

I agree that we should scrap November 5 for the reasons you mentioned.

I also agree that things will be much different than 08. Moneybombs this season will buy significantly less media attention than they did in 07-08, because the GOP will usurp them for their chosen candidates this time around.

Therefore, I submit that the primary motivation for 2012 money bombs should NOT be to attract media attention. We succeeded in 07-08, and the fruits of our labor resulted in Ron Paul being promoted by the media even into present day. That wouldn't have happened without us in 07-08. But that goal has been accomplished.


The primary motivation for moneybombs should be to continually fund the campaign, and fund the campaign as early as possible.

When RP08 fundraising director Jonathan Bydlak came on the forums for his post-mortem, he explained that the big problem with fundraising was that it did not come early enough, and it was unpredictable.

I understand that we want to have a sense of nostalgia. I think that a Dec 16 Tea Party moneybomb is worthwhile for that purpose. There is the additional benefit that this will be a strong finish for the year, which will boost the FEC year-end reporting number.

Here are the QUARTERLY close of book dates for 2011:

March 31, 2011

June 30, 2011

September 30, 2011

Dec 31, 2011

http://www.fec.gov/info/report_dates_2011.shtml#quarterly


We need to get thinking like the campaign and the FEC when it comes to fundraising. The bulk of our fundraising occurred during the final quarter of the campaign in 08. We need to make sure that the bulk of 2012 fundraising occurs before the first quarter reporting date.

[nayjevin]

Here are the QUARTERLY close of book dates for 2011:

March 31, 2011

June 30, 2011

September 30, 2011

Dec 31, 2011


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_ primaries,_2012#Debates




May 2, 2011 – A national debate, hosted by the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Presidential_Library) and NBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC).
May 5, 2011 – A South Carolina debate, hosted by the South Carolina Republican Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Republican_Party).
June 7, 2011 – A New Hampshire debate, hosted by CNN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN), WMUR-TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMUR-TV) and the New Hampshire Union Leader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_Union_Leader).
August 11, 2011 – An Iowa debate, hosted by the Iowa Republican Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_Republican_Party) and FOX News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOX_News).

[RP4Pres2008]

I am liking the May 1st or May 2nd dates for the first one. Could we not tie them into the debates as a sort of "The rEVOLution Continues" day where we tie in the moneybomb fundraising starting (i.e. grassroots restarting our thing) and then Ron Paul beginning his quest for the White House (i.e. the President cycle restarting with the debates).

Also, if we could find a liberty/freedom theme around those dates, it would be very powerful :D

[nayjevin]

March 31 - end of first quarter
May 2 - Mayday/1st debate
June 7 - NH debate (june 30 end of q)
Sep 30 - end of q
Dec 16 - Tea Party

-- assuming donations on the very last day of the quarter count toward the totals for that quarter, and assuming Dec 16 isn't too late for the money (folks are liable to save up for this one and make it the biggest), I could go for that schedule. Room for something in the third quarter too - maybe use that time for some of the other moneybomb alternative ideas.

[MelissaWV]

It seems like May 1st (Sunday) and May 2nd (Monday... debate) are winning out.

I don't really like the idea of an entire Money Bomb day during the debates. The "we've raised X" mention during the debates is sly, but I don't see it getting as many mentions as a Money Bomb that's already completed and tallied.

I mentioned April 30th (Saturday) being Honesty Day, an obscure holiday associated with exposing Government dishonesty. It certainly jives with what Dr. Paul is preaching.

While I like May 1st, I can't help but think of a number of "Ron Paul's supporters put out a 'May Day'" jokes riffing on desperation. I've also never much cared for Sunday Money Bombs, especially when the rent is too damned high (and due), though the same could be said for April 30th.

Anyhow, Honesty Day:


In the United States, Honesty Day is frequently viewed as an observation celebrating the honesty of past presidents like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. An enduring legend about Washington confessing to have chopped down a cherry tree goes along with this lesson.

Italy celebrates the Honesty Day too. It’s a campaign against any kind of manipulation for commercial purposes and against empty promises coming from the business world. In Italy, it’s traditionally celebrated on the last Sunday before Christmas Day.

Honesty Day is also considered a day to increase awareness about the honesty, or lack thereof, of current government officials.

On honesty day, people are encouraged to be more honest, and accepting of honesty. This may include telling friends, coworkers, family members and acquaintances about things that would have been left unsaid on other days. Information or opinions held back for the sake of politeness may be revealed on Honesty Day.


M. Hirsh Goldberg, former press secretary to a governor of Maryland and author of five books, created National Honesty Day in the early 1990s after spending four years researching and writing The Book of Lies (Morrow). This book has been translated into Japanese, Korean and Chinese.

Goldberg created this day, because he felt that the month of April, whick begins with a big day of lying (April Fools Day), should end on a higher moral note.


The founder of National Honesty Day, celebrated each year on April 30 as a way to "encourage honesty in the workplace and the marketplace and to honor the honorable," has called for "a nationwide emphasis this coming year on honesty to prevent the increasing examples of lying and fraud that are harming society and damaging our nation's quality of life."

...versus May Day:


May Day occurs on May 1 and refers to several public holidays. In many countries, May Day is synonymous with International Workers' Day, or Labour Day, a day of political demonstrations and celebrations organised by the unions, communists, anarchists, and socialist groups. May Day is also a traditional holiday in many cultures.


Modern May Day ceremonies in the U.S. vary greatly from region to region and many unite both the holiday's "Green Root" (pagan) and "Red Root" (labor) traditions. Among the largest is the May Day Parade and Pageant created by In the Heart of the Beast Puppet and Mask Theatre, an event that has happened every year since 1975 in Minneapolis and now attracts some 35,000 people.

May 1 also is recognized in the U.S. as Law Day.


Long before President Dwight D. Eisenhower declared it, May 1st was May Day. A day to remember the struggles of workers who were killed or oppressed in their fight for better wages and working conditions.

In an Orwellian twist, Eisenhower proclaimed May 1 (Previously known as May Day or International Workers' Day) would now be known as Law Day, U.S.A. in 1958. Its observance was later codified into law by Public Law 87-20 on April 7, 1961.

[Eric21ND]

There will be spontaneous donation anyway during the debates I think or after.

[libertybrewcity]

Check this out

There is a civic holiday called Patriot's Day. April 18th

It commemorates the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, the first battles of the Revolutionary War.

This would fit PERFECTLY with Ron Paul's LibertyPAC theme. George Washington..Revolutionary...etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot%27s_Day


Patriots' Day is a civic holiday commemorating the anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, the first battles of the American Revolutionary War.

[libertybrewcity]

IDEAS:
I don't think MayDay would fly with Republicans. It is an international day to celebrate organized labor. (Labour Day, International Workers Day)

1) Armed Forces Day is the third Saturday in May, it is surrounded by Armed Forces Week ---->could help with the military vote

2) Flag Day is celebrated on June 14th.------> could easily play into the revolutionary theme

In the United States, Flag Day is celebrated on June 14. It commemorates the adoption of the flag of the United States, which happened that day by resolution of the Second Continental Congress in 1777.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Day_%28United_States%29

3. Constitution Day is observed on September 17th.---->Colleges are back in session, perfectly spaced after a potential July moneybomb and not too close to a winterbomb

4. Veterans Day November 11th. ----->what could be better than honoring veterans?

[MikeStanart]

http://piczasso.com/i/hwd5z.jpg

[Eric21ND]

I think we essential have the agreed upon dates.

Spontaneous money bomb when Ron announces.

April 15th

July 4th

Sept/Oct (We need a theme for this)

Nov 5th

Dec 16th

**And a monthly donation day, I suggested $5 on the fifth of every month. The thing is you want lots of people to give a little bit, and everyone can afford $5.00 even poor college students. The positive from this will be a substancial amount of money early in the month for the campaign and it gets casual Ron Paul supporters into the donating process, they will get email updates from the campaign, etc. They will be primed for the big money bomb events later. Now of course I'm sure many people will donate more than the asked $5...I'll probably do at least $20, but by keeping the monthly donation asking amount low it will allow more people to get involved early. During the big money bombs, what do you we tell people, every dollar helps even $5. This simply takes that sentiment and makes it a reoccuring theme every month.

[DirtMcGirt]

do not forget the idea of a Money Hour during the debates, people will be going to his site to look him up and if they see the ticker just flying at 10 or 20K a minute that would be huge

I would like us to attach a money bomb to a date immediately after the first debate...To show that we mean business...

[JoshLowry]

I think we essential have the agreed upon dates.

Spontaneous money bomb when Ron announces.

April 15th

July 4th

Sept/Oct (We need a theme for this)

Nov 5th

Dec 16th

**And a monthly donation day, I suggested $5 on the fifth of every month. The thing is you want lots of people to give a little bit, and everyone can afford $5.00 even poor college students. The positive from this will be a substancial amount of money early in the month for the campaign and it gets casual Ron Paul supporters into the donating process, they will get email updates from the campaign, etc. They will be primed for the big money bomb events later. Now of course I'm sure many people will donate more than the asked $5...I'll probably do at least $20, but by keeping the monthly donation asking amount low it will allow more people to get involved early. During the big money bombs, what do you we tell people, every dollar helps even $5. This simply takes that sentiment and makes it a reoccuring theme every month.

I'd second or third throwing out the November 5th date as well. Replace it if needed, but I bet Ron will be more than strapped by that point.

[anaconda]

Make the money bombs on days that are one day before a scheduled debate. It will add theater, press, and talking points for Dr. Paul.

May 1st, for example, is the day before the first debate, I believe..

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I definitely think we should not have a Nov 5th moneybomb this go around. Everyone is concerned what the media will say about certain themes, but no one has mentioned the obvious. Nov 5th gets us labeled as terrorists.

[anaconda]

I definitely think we should not have a Nov 5th moneybomb this go around. Everyone is concerned what the media will say about certain themes, but no one has mentioned the obvious. Nov 5th gets us labeled as terrorists.

But that very theme might get people Fired Up! Everyone's revolutionary fantasy fulfilled for a mere $200!

[Eric21ND]

Make the money bombs on days that are one day before a scheduled debate. It will add theater, press, and talking points for Dr. Paul.

May 1st, for example, is the day before the first debate, I believe..
Ron doesn't really talk about himself up very much so I doubt he'd mention it anyway. Plus its in that murkey area between campaign/grassroots coordination.

[ronpaulhawaii]

There are some great ideas and discussion here...

I think we need to decide on the spring/summer dates sooner rather than later. Tomorrow I'll put up a poll for Spring...

[speciallyblend]

I would like us to attach a money bomb to a date immediately after the first debate...To show that we mean business...

great idea

[Eric21ND]

I definitely think we should not have a Nov 5th moneybomb this go around. Everyone is concerned what the media will say about certain themes, but no one has mentioned the obvious. Nov 5th gets us labeled as terrorists.
They are going to say bad things about us regardless. Did they ask about Guy Fawkes Day? Sure they did. Did it matter? No, they only focused on Ron's bankroll.

Glenn Beck labeled us terrorists with David Horowitz of all people. Beck changed his tune and Horowitz is still a dipshit. Why not raise $5-10 million that day and stick it to them?

[Eric21ND]

I'd second or third throwing out the November 5th date as well. Replace it if needed, but I bet Ron will be more than strapped by that point.
So you're saying Ron Paul will be strapped for cash by November, but you advocate dumping Nov 5th? Hmm...interesting

[Nate-ForLiberty]

They are going to say bad things about us regardless. Did they ask about Guy Fawkes Day? Sure they did. Did it matter? No, they only focused on Ron's bankroll.

Glenn Beck labeled us terrorists with David Horowitz of all people. Beck changed his tune and Horowitz is still a dipshit. Why not raise $5-10 million that day and stick it to them?

Why do we have to use Nov 5th anyway? Because we did before? bad reason. How does raising any amount of money "stick it to" people who are going to be working overtime to vilify us? Why give them easy ammo? It's a bad idea. It was before, and it is now. If we are so concerned with theme appeal, why on earth would we pick a violent anarchistic movie? Don't get me wrong, I love the movie and I personally liked the theme. But we need to get people involved who either didn't like it, or never saw it, or don't understand it. Not to mention that guy who walked into a school board meeting, spray painted a "V" on the wall and drew a gun.

How about we pick all non-violent related themes this time?

[eok321]

I like the idea of moneybomb for the Iowa straw poll.Some extra media attention and excitement generated for folks who cant make it can only be good. As well as that some undecided Iowans who are at the straw poll may be swayed when they see a packed out RP tent with people cheering on the ticker as we pull in millions.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

But that very theme might get people Fired Up! Everyone's revolutionary fantasy fulfilled for a mere $200!


It got a small portion of people fired up last time. There were plenty of people who donated in 2007 on the 5th who didn't like the theme at all. They were fired up because of Ron Paul. Picking a theme can inspire some people, but it's more about marketing as is the moneybomb itself. Non-violent related themes are much better and have a wider range of appeal.

[anaconda]

I'm down with the Taft day. May 1st is a good date. We could still roll with the Refund for Freedom idea as well.

This is also the day before the first debate! Great timing!

[anaconda]

It got a small portion of people fired up last time. There were plenty of people who donated in 2007 on the 5th who didn't like the theme at all. They were fired up because of Ron Paul. Picking a theme can inspire some people, but it's more about marketing as is the moneybomb itself. Non-violent related themes are much better and have a wider range of appeal.

Agreed. Down with Nov. 5th.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

How many moneybombs should we have total?
3

Why? Moneybombs are a media stunt designed to garner nation wide attention Ron Paul otherwise would not receive. News is only news if it happens rarely, or at least has the appearance of happening rarely. 5 moneybombs is way too much.

1st Moneybomb (late april/early may) - get the attention of the media, supply Ron with plenty of cash for quarter 2. Having it earlier than late april/early may would seem counterproductive since he will probably announce in April and we'll need time to advertise. When Ron announces people will want to donate immediately, which is good because he'll need starting out funds. Expect this moneybomb to raise a few million at most. We should aim for more, but expecting 10 million on the first go around may be a bit much. Remember, it is not all about raising all of the money on one day. We have 3 months each quarter to bust our asses getting the word out about Ron Paul. May 2nd is a Monday.

2nd Moneybomb (July 4th weekend is a bad time for this, early August would be much better; Aug 5th 1861 the first Income Tax act was passed, signed by Lincoln) - The purpose of the second moneybomb will be to show the media that we are quickly increasing in number (of supporters), refill Dr. Paul's coffers, and keep the public eye focused on the Presidential race. The beginning of August sees a lot of things starting up and ending (i.e. school, summer camps, certain types of work. It's a crazy time that can distract the average person). This second moneybomb's main purpose though is to raise awareness to insane levels for the 3rd and final moneybomb. As we have this 2nd moneybomb we need to make people aware of the last moneybomb for 2012. This means all our ducks have to be in a row. [I like August 5th for this day because the theme would be a defiant one. "Repeal the Income Tax!". It is also a week before Ames Iowa giving a great (as in optimal) amount of time for Dr. Paul to do the media rounds before hand.] August 5th is a Friday.

3rd Moneybomb (I'd like to see November 11th, Veterans' Day) - This is our chance to really show our numbers. The main purpose of this moneybomb is MONEY! After this day, Ron Paul's coffers should be fatter than Oprah at a KFC convention. If we can blow the top off of his funds he can saturate the media outlets with ads right before the primaries begin. This will also show that he has a massive wide range of support and a SERIOUS CHANCE TO WIN. People need to be convinced other people are going to vote for him. This is that chance to show them that YES! we are legion! [I like Veterans' Day because of the wide range of appeal. I'm sure by this time Ron Paul will be able to tout "most donations from military personnel" again.] November 11th is a Friday. [I]It is also 11/11/11.

A major point of interest with all of these moneybombs is that they come near the middle of the quarter. This allows the official Campaign to "push" at the end for more funds and be able to get a sizable response. They are spread out to allow for an increase in awareness and personal funds, and are not too late to not make a difference.

Why is December 16th not in my recommended days?

- We need to show that we are bigger than the Tea Party. Ron Paul did not join the Tea Party caucus, December 16th is just too late for the official campaign to do anything with the money.

Remember, there is no formula for what we are doing! Just because something was successful in the past does not mean it will be again. Our biggest asset is our willingness to explore and try things that haven't been done before.

[anaconda]

Ron doesn't really talk about himself up very much so I doubt he'd mention it anyway. Plus its in that murkey area between campaign/grassroots coordination.

Why is it "murky?"

Plus, the media may take it and run with it. Chris Wallace: "Question for Congressman Paul: Sir, the grassroots chipped in 11.7 million dollars to your campaign yesterday. The average donation was 97 dollars. What does this say about the thinking of mainstream America in this 2012 election cycle?" Or something like that...

[JoshLowry]

So you're saying Ron Paul will be strapped for cash by November, but you advocate dumping Nov 5th? Hmm...interesting

Strapped as in armed to the teeth or carrying a firearm. Ready to rock.

[Eric21ND]

Strapped as in armed to the teeth or carrying a firearm. Ready to rock.
Gotcha. We should be in good shape financially, especially if we can have a successful money bomb in september sometime??

11/11/11 is pretty cool, but it cuts awful close to Dec 16th. If we raise big money on Dec 16th I think that alone might win us the nomination, we will be seen as the anointed Tea Party candidate.

[pacelli]

There are some great ideas and discussion here...

I think we need to decide on the spring/summer dates sooner rather than later. Tomorrow I'll put up a poll for Spring...

I agree with you. As far as the spring moneybomb, if Ron doesn't launch his official presidential campaign website by that date, should the moneybomb be diverted to Liberty PAC, or should we >>>hold<<<? I'm asking because the bulk of Liberty PAC's 2010 expenditures were administrative, with Lori and Jesse receiving the bulk of expenditures:

Rank Vendor/Recipient Total Expenditures
1 Lori Pyeatt $25,251
2 Benton, Jesse $21,609
3 Cpac $18,000
4 Saber Communications $17,822
5 Business Wire $16,677
6 Omni Shoreham $13,916
7 Primary Data Solutions $12,000
8 National Republican Congressional Cmte $10,000
9 Mprinting Graphics & Advertising $9,918
10 National Journal Group $8,693

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cmte=C00234641&cycle=2010

[Bobster]

WALL OF TEXT

I like these ideas and support the logic behind them. I really couldn't have said it better. 11/11/11 is a great idea. However, there is something to be said about the Dec 16th bomb, if for nothing else than appearing as the true tea party candidate should we bring in a ton of cash. The flip side is that if we fall short of last years amounts, we will look as though we've been further marginalized.

We will need to examine the 11/11/11 vs 12/16/11 dates based off of the result of our previous moneybombs.

[fatjohn]

END THE FED DAY!

September 10th: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/andrew-jackson-shuts-down-second-bank-of-the-us

Too bad it's a saturday but I think we have to throw a moneybomb with this theme between July and December. It will fire up all the people who follow ron for his economic policies like the zerohedgies and the kitcopeople. And those people aren't really poor thanks to their stash of silver and gold. Maybe we can make it a discussion topic in a debate if it's close to a debate.

[fatjohn]

I like these ideas and support the logic behind them. I really couldn't have said it better. 11/11/11 is a great idea. However, there is something to be said about the Dec 16th bomb, if for nothing else than appearing as the true tea party candidate should we bring in a ton of cash. The flip side is that if we fall short of last years amounts, we will look as though we've been further marginalized.

We will need to examine the 11/11/11 vs 12/16/11 dates based off of the result of our previous moneybombs.

Certainly tea party bomb. If for nothing else that media will remember folks to his biggest bomb in 07 which again remembers them that ron is the real father of the tea party.

[Mani]

I like the three money bombs. Don't forget the campaign will be blasting emails when they need funds as well so it's not like we will be donating only three times. We need to be able to respond whenever the campaign asks for cash and too many money bombs could conflict with that.

One thing about aug 5th is it's a Friday so people often tune out during the weekend especially in summer, so the media coverage could get minimized UNLESS we do a weekend bomb starting aug 5th, then Monday morning when everyone tunes back in, it could be a lead story on his weekend tally and be a topic heading into the Ames week.



How many moneybombs should we have total?
3

Why? Moneybombs are a media stunt designed to garner nation wide attention Ron Paul otherwise would not receive. News is only news if it happens rarely, or at least has the appearance of happening rarely. 5 moneybombs is way too much.

1st Moneybomb (late april/early may) - get the attention of the media, supply Ron with plenty of cash for quarter 2. Having it earlier than late april/early may would seem counterproductive since he will probably announce in April and we'll need time to advertise. When Ron announces people will want to donate immediately, which is good because he'll need starting out funds. Expect this moneybomb to raise a few million at most. We should aim for more, but expecting 10 million on the first go around may be a bit much. Remember, it is not all about raising all of the money on one day. We have 3 months each quarter to bust our asses getting the word out about Ron Paul. May 2nd is a Monday.

2nd Moneybomb (July 4th weekend is a bad time for this, early August would be much better; Aug 5th 1861 the first Income Tax act was passed, signed by Lincoln) - The purpose of the second moneybomb will be to show the media that we are quickly increasing in number (of supporters), refill Dr. Paul's coffers, and keep the public eye focused on the Presidential race. The beginning of August sees a lot of things starting up and ending (i.e. school, summer camps, certain types of work. It's a crazy time that can distract the average person). This second moneybomb's main purpose though is to raise awareness to insane levels for the 3rd and final moneybomb. As we have this 2nd moneybomb we need to make people aware of the last moneybomb for 2012. This means all our ducks have to be in a row. [I like August 5th for this day because the theme would be a defiant one. "Repeal the Income Tax!". It is also a week before Ames Iowa giving a great (as in optimal) amount of time for Dr. Paul to do the media rounds before hand.] August 5th is a Friday.

3rd Moneybomb (I'd like to see November 11th, Veterans' Day) - This is our chance to really show our numbers. The main purpose of this moneybomb is MONEY! After this day, Ron Paul's coffers should be fatter than Oprah at a KFC convention. If we can blow the top off of his funds he can saturate the media outlets with ads right before the primaries begin. This will also show that he has a massive wide range of support and a SERIOUS CHANCE TO WIN. People need to be convinced other people are going to vote for him. This is that chance to show them that YES! we are legion! [I like Veterans' Day because of the wide range of appeal. I'm sure by this time Ron Paul will be able to tout "most donations from military personnel" again.] November 11th is a Friday. [I]It is also 11/11/11.

A major point of interest with all of these moneybombs is that they come near the middle of the quarter. This allows the official Campaign to "push" at the end for more funds and be able to get a sizable response. They are spread out to allow for an increase in awareness and personal funds, and are not too late to not make a difference.

Why is December 16th not in my recommended days?

- We need to show that we are bigger than the Tea Party. Ron Paul did not join the Tea Party caucus, December 16th is just too late for the official campaign to do anything with the money.

Remember, there is no formula for what we are doing! Just because something was successful in the past does not mean it will be again. Our biggest asset is our willingness to explore and try things that haven't been done before.

[itshappening]

there is far too much time between moneybombs for the three to work

it needs to be 6-8 weeks, if we learn't anything from the 2007 campaign it's that he wanted the cash sooner and faster. The campaign would get millions then the ticker would barely tick until the next one...

so we're talking like 4 months before he gets a big infusion and by November that is TOO LATE

he needs:

April
July
September
November
December

that should do the trick.

pick the dates accordingly but leave 6-8 weeks between each one for promotion i.e 11th Nov is too close to 16th Dec, like it or not Nov 5th will work better

Those 5 will give us momentum and steam, too much time between moneybombs (4 freaking months?!) is lame and people will lose interest.

[UtahApocalypse]

2nd Moneybomb (July 4th weekend is a bad time for this, early August would be much better; Aug 5th 1861 the first Income Tax act was passed, signed by Lincoln) - The purpose of the second moneybomb will be to show the media that we are quickly increasing in number (of supporters), refill Dr. Paul's coffers, and keep the public eye focused on the Presidential race. The beginning of August sees a lot of things starting up and ending (i.e. school, summer camps, certain types of work. It's a crazy time that can distract the average person). This second moneybomb's main purpose though is to raise awareness to insane levels for the 3rd and final moneybomb. As we have this 2nd moneybomb we need to make people aware of the last moneybomb for 2012. This means all our ducks have to be in a row. [I like August 5th for this day because the theme would be a defiant one. "Repeal the Income Tax!". It is also a week before Ames Iowa giving a great (as in optimal) amount of time for Dr. Paul to do the media rounds before hand.] August 5th is a Friday.

[/B]

I agree with everything you said that I left out. August is way to close to Ames. They need the money at least 4-6 weeks before the Straw Poll. That money is what will allow us to win. If we don't win Ames there is no more money bombs or anything that will get us the nomination.

I will be going all in with $2300 to ONE moneybomb this campaign. It will be the one that puts the most funds directly into Iowa, and getting voters to the ISP.

[nayjevin]

Great points. I like 11/11/11 alot. The theme of V was good at the time, when Ron's recognition was lower - at this point I see broader appeal as more necessary.

I'm leaning toward fewer moneybombs at this point. Maybe even one early before Iowa, and one huge one, 11/11/11 or Dec 16th. I personally think 12/16 is just too late. People will donate that day anyway though. Then the 'moneybomb hour' idea (whose was that?) during debates would give plenty of good chances to donate early and often, without diluting the moneybomb effectiveness.

Looking forward to all this. If we have dates in stone early this time - so many more people will know about it.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

For those that think 3 moneybombs is too few, please remember a moneybomb's main purpose is to raise media awareness, not cash. Most fundraising happens gradually over the course of a campaign. Also, and this is seriously important, if we schedule too many moneybombs with the idea that we will control when and how the official campaign gets money we completely tie their hands up. The campaign will always know better when they will need money. By setting 3 dates for moneybombs and allowing the campaign to fill in the gaps we are working both sides of the fundraising coin.

UA, the May moneybomb will be the main thrust for Iowa. Just because we have our moneybomb 3 months before doesn't mean Ron will be out of cash by August. In fact, if you want to increase our chances at Iowa, it'd be better to have that money months before and not 4-6 weeks. Remember, moneybombs do not delineate when we can't donate. The purpose of the August 5th moneybomb would be to raise media awareness before the Ames Straw Poll, not to give the campaign money for the straw poll. With that said, I'm not completely against having a fourth moneybomb in late june early july as long as we understand it will diminish our takes in May/August or September if one is moved there.

Moneybombs should not be the main driving force for donations! The reason Nov 5 and Dec 16 worked was ...

#1 - we showed the campaign that if they ask for $500k we could deliver $1M (the official campaign invented the realtime donation ticker)
#2 - Nov 5th came only a few weeks after that first weekend when we raised $1M, people were still excited by it and wanted to see a bigger event
#3 - Dec 16th was just about the only date that would work for another moneybomb. Primaries were about to start which would make moneybombs useless, Christmas, time to plan between then and Nov 5.

This stuff just happened. There was no central planning (even among the grassroots). To try and over plan with 5 or 6 moneybombs would be a disaster. People would have to pick which ones they wanted to donate on. For moneybombs to be successful we need people who have never donated to Ron Paul to donate to Ron Paul and get involved with the grassroots. Just setting a date does nothing.

Having 4 months between moneybombs is not lame. It allows just enough time for the media to "forget" about the last moneybomb. There will be a wane of interest of course, but that is better than over doing it and having a moneybomb go by with people thinking "I'll catch the next one." I really don't think people will lose too much interest because the debates will be so entertaining. It is a balancing act, not a sprint. Also, thinking that the campaign will only be able to raise money during a moneybomb is silly. They will know when they need money and will ask for it. We need to allow them this, otherwise we are shooting the whole thing in the foot.

[DjLoTi]

Why not st. patricks day? 'green 4 ron, luck 4 ron, pot of gold 4 ron' ect, ect. We don't have to have every single money bomb reach $10,000,000 dollars. We can make fun theme pages. People like to celebrate on St. Pattys day. Why not celebrate with a money bomb?

but i also think the day of the debates is good, then Ron can say something like "i've already raised $1m (or something) today, so it's clear that there are a lot of people out there that like this message"

[anaconda]

Great points. I like 11/11/11 alot. The theme of V was good at the time, when Ron's recognition was lower - at this point I see broader appeal as more necessary.

I'm leaning toward fewer moneybombs at this point. Maybe even one early before Iowa, and one huge one, 11/11/11 or Dec 16th. I personally think 12/16 is just too late. People will donate that day anyway though. Then the 'moneybomb hour' idea (whose was that?) during debates would give plenty of good chances to donate early and often, without diluting the moneybomb effectiveness.

Looking forward to all this. If we have dates in stone early this time - so many more people will know about it.

Dec. 16th may not be too late if Ron is doing extremely well in the polls and at the voting booths in Iowa. It would be money he could use for an advertising blitz in New Hampshire, for example.

[anaconda]

11/11/11 is catchy! Let's mark that as a "strongly probable!"

[anaconda]

Yesterday I had been an advocate of money bombs the day before debates, as a vehicle to throw gasoline on the press fires surrounding the debate hype and the network's yearn for ratings. BUT I thought of something this morning that no one has mentioned: Even though Ron is a very disciplined man, he probably gets a little nervous, agitated, apprehensive, and somewhat distracted on the money bomb days. He probably stays up until midnight those nights, and anticipates being hounded by the press the very next morning. It may interfere with his methodical debate preparation and his ability to get a good night's rest before a debate. So maybe we should not have a money bomb that is too damn close to a debate day.

[MelissaWV]

Yesterday I had been an advocate of money bombs the day before debates, as a vehicle to throw gasoline on the press fires surrounding the debate hype and the network's yearn for ratings. BUT I thought of something this morning that no one has mentioned: Even though Ron is a very disciplined man, he probably gets a little nervous, agitated, apprehensive, and somewhat distracted on the money bomb days. He probably stays up until midnight those nights, and anticipates being hounded by the press the very next morning. It may interfere with his methodical debate preparation and his ability to get a good night's rest before a debate. So maybe we should not have a money bomb that is too damn close to a debate day.

I still think April 30th works, despite being on a weekend. It fits in with what you're talking about, because it allows a day and more between the bomb and the debate. Time enough to analyze the results, develop a response, etc..

I don't think being on a weekend is a death sentence for money bombs that are planned long enough ahead of time and receive publicity.

[IDefendThePlatform]

Gotcha. We should be in good shape financially, especially if we can have a successful money bomb in september sometime??

11/11/11 is pretty cool, but it cuts awful close to Dec 16th. If we raise big money on Dec 16th I think that alone might win us the nomination, we will be seen as the anointed Tea Party candidate.

I totally agree about hitting a big one on Tea Party Moneybomb. I guess I'm ambivalent between 11/11/11 and Guy Fawkes Day.

But I definitely still like Tax Day and the 4th of July as memorable, patriotic days for moneybombs.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I think there is probably strong emotional feelings that a lot of people hold in their hearts for December 16th. Not doing something related to that day will probably worse than waiting to have the biggest moneybomb that late. Instead of making December 16th a moneybomb, why not make it a deadline?

Example:
November 11, 2011 is the last major 24 hour moneybomb. The campaign will display their total donations. We then set a goal to reach by the 16th. For instance, if by the end of the 11th the ticker reads $70,000,000, then we should try and raise that total to $80,000,000 by the 16th. This would encourage people to "get out there" and find other sources of income they could then donate. Take a second job, sell magazines, non-political related bake sale, car washes (in warm climates!), mow lawns, whatever you can think of if you haven't maxed out. Maybe those who have maxed out can hire other supporters to do work around the house. You would have to trust that they would donate the money because there is no legal way for you to bind them to that. We could call it "Rush for Ron" or something like that.

Thoughts?

*We could even have a website that countdowns the days, "35 days left"... etc.

[wstrucke]

it would be amazing if we could raise $70,000,000. though now i'm a little depressed considering the President will be spending upwards of $1,000,000,000.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

it would be amazing if we could raise $70,000,000. though now i'm a little depressed considering the President will be spending upwards of $1,000,000,000.


He can spend all the money he wants. Certainly the propaganda will be hitting hard, but he can't hide the past 4 years of utter failure. Personally I'd be ashamed if we didn't raise $70M at least! I'm hoping for $100M. Totally doable since we raised nearly $30M last time. I'd estimate we'll need about 500,000 unique donors. For comparison, approx 50,000 donors raised $6 million on Dec 16.

That's a lot of ground work, but what have we got to lose?

[Mani]

This point is CRITICAL. I hope people understand that fund raising will be going on besides just the moneybombs. I remember the campaign released an email asking for cash a week or two before a scheduled money bomb and some people were up in arms the campaign is conflicting with the grassroots folks.

But later on it came out the campaign seriously needed that cash right then, not a week or two later, they couldn't wait.

We can't think the moneybomb is the only way to raise money. These are money raising MEDIA EVENTS. That's how he got his name out there last time. It was a FUCK YOU to the main stream media for all the ignoring and marginalizing that was done. It was a FUCK YOU, IGNORE THIS ASSHOLES!

In reality we need to be donating whenever the campaign asks for it, and then have a few money bombs to garner some media attention.

I don't mind some flash bombs or minibombs and such those I'd hope we have with some regularity, but the big moneybombs should be less in quantity so they are fresh and exciting and news worthy events.

I also don't mind a minibomb after every debate. I like the idea of after, because it helps to show he's built momentum after his performance unlike Faux Mediots in their post game analysis quotes; "I think Ron Paul...It's Done...He's done.." LOL! Remember that guy???


For those that think 3 moneybombs is too few, please remember a moneybomb's main purpose is to raise media awareness, not cash. Most fundraising happens gradually over the course of a campaign. Also, and this is seriously important, if we schedule too many moneybombs with the idea that we will control when and how the official campaign gets money we completely tie their hands up. The campaign will always know better when they will need money. By setting 3 dates for moneybombs and allowing the campaign to fill in the gaps we are working both sides of the fundraising coin.

UA, the May moneybomb will be the main thrust for Iowa. Just because we have our moneybomb 3 months before doesn't mean Ron will be out of cash by August. In fact, if you want to increase our chances at Iowa, it'd be better to have that money months before and not 4-6 weeks. Remember, moneybombs do not delineate when we can't donate. The purpose of the August 5th moneybomb would be to raise media awareness before the Ames Straw Poll, not to give the campaign money for the straw poll. With that said, I'm not completely against having a fourth moneybomb in late june early july as long as we understand it will diminish our takes in May/August or September if one is moved there.

Moneybombs should not be the main driving force for donations! The reason Nov 5 and Dec 16 worked was ...

#1 - we showed the campaign that if they ask for $500k we could deliver $1M (the official campaign invented the realtime donation ticker)
#2 - Nov 5th came only a few weeks after that first weekend when we raised $1M, people were still excited by it and wanted to see a bigger event
#3 - Dec 16th was just about the only date that would work for another moneybomb. Primaries were about to start which would make moneybombs useless, Christmas, time to plan between then and Nov 5.

This stuff just happened. There was no central planning (even among the grassroots). To try and over plan with 5 or 6 moneybombs would be a disaster. People would have to pick which ones they wanted to donate on. For moneybombs to be successful we need people who have never donated to Ron Paul to donate to Ron Paul and get involved with the grassroots. Just setting a date does nothing.

Having 4 months between moneybombs is not lame. It allows just enough time for the media to "forget" about the last moneybomb. There will be a wane of interest of course, but that is better than over doing it and having a moneybomb go by with people thinking "I'll catch the next one." I really don't think people will lose too much interest because the debates will be so entertaining. It is a balancing act, not a sprint. Also, thinking that the campaign will only be able to raise money during a moneybomb is silly. They will know when they need money and will ask for it. We need to allow them this, otherwise we are shooting the whole thing in the foot.

[libertybrewcity]

Moneybombs will be more effective after he announces his run, but a filling his PAC pot could be a bonus for him. He isn't caught up in all the regulations.

[Eric21ND]

For those that think 3 moneybombs is too few, please remember a moneybomb's main purpose is to raise media awareness, not cash. Most fundraising happens gradually over the course of a campaign. Also, and this is seriously important, if we schedule too many moneybombs with the idea that we will control when and how the official campaign gets money we completely tie their hands up. The campaign will always know better when they will need money. By setting 3 dates for moneybombs and allowing the campaign to fill in the gaps we are working both sides of the fundraising coin.

UA, the May moneybomb will be the main thrust for Iowa. Just because we have our moneybomb 3 months before doesn't mean Ron will be out of cash by August. In fact, if you want to increase our chances at Iowa, it'd be better to have that money months before and not 4-6 weeks. Remember, moneybombs do not delineate when we can't donate. The purpose of the August 5th moneybomb would be to raise media awareness before the Ames Straw Poll, not to give the campaign money for the straw poll. With that said, I'm not completely against having a fourth moneybomb in late june early july as long as we understand it will diminish our takes in May/August or September if one is moved there.

Moneybombs should not be the main driving force for donations! The reason Nov 5 and Dec 16 worked was ...

#1 - we showed the campaign that if they ask for $500k we could deliver $1M (the official campaign invented the realtime donation ticker)
#2 - Nov 5th came only a few weeks after that first weekend when we raised $1M, people were still excited by it and wanted to see a bigger event
#3 - Dec 16th was just about the only date that would work for another moneybomb. Primaries were about to start which would make moneybombs useless, Christmas, time to plan between then and Nov 5.

This stuff just happened. There was no central planning (even among the grassroots). To try and over plan with 5 or 6 moneybombs would be a disaster. People would have to pick which ones they wanted to donate on. For moneybombs to be successful we need people who have never donated to Ron Paul to donate to Ron Paul and get involved with the grassroots. Just setting a date does nothing.

Having 4 months between moneybombs is not lame. It allows just enough time for the media to "forget" about the last moneybomb. There will be a wane of interest of course, but that is better than over doing it and having a moneybomb go by with people thinking "I'll catch the next one." I really don't think people will lose too much interest because the debates will be so entertaining. It is a balancing act, not a sprint. Also, thinking that the campaign will only be able to raise money during a moneybomb is silly. They will know when they need money and will ask for it. We need to allow them this, otherwise we are shooting the whole thing in the foot.

I can't believe we're actually discussing having less money bombs, instead of harnessing their momentum. Best case scenario three money bombs that raise $10 million each is $30 million. Realistically they would probably net around $5-7 million each. So we're looking at $15-20 million from the bombs and maybe another $10 million in other donations over the course of the year. This essentially brings us to the same dollar amount we raised in 2007. How disappointing.

Media awareness is a by-product of the dollar amount we rack in. Media awarensess isn't the sole reason for a money bomb, the campaign truly needs the money to have a fighting chance. Media awareness and money are pretty much on equal footing. I believe 5-6 money bombs is the happy medium between raising enough money for a chance to win and oversaturation effect.

I don't agree with the timing of an August money bomb. The major focus in August will be the Ames straw poll, a money bomb at that juncture would be distracting and take away from the numerous grassroots projects likely to be going on during that time. I know I'll be in Iowa getting people to the polls. Again, this gives more weight to the July 4th money bomb effort being a prudent choice in terms of day/theme/timing.

Money bombs will be a main source of campaign contributions. I'm willing to bet that up to 70% of our donations could come from these efforts. Will the campaign do tradition donation drives? Yes, and they should do more of that type of thing, more dinners and speeches, meet-and-greats, etc. On the other thread I said they should do more project-based donation drives with the specific dollar amount needed listed next to the widget and what the campaign wishes to do with the donations up front, like running a tv ad or radio ad and providing a preview of the ad and where it will be shown.

Actually there was planning and organizing here on this forum and the DailyPaul over the money bombs. There was huge debate, the naysayers were proven wrong, the dates and themes went viral. This happened very quickly from conception to implementation, like a matter of days, hours even! Four months is much too long in between money bombs. It's not a matter of the previous money bomb being on the mind of potential donors, its having sufficient time (5-7 weeks) to save up for the next one. People need to be able to budget for them.

[nayjevin]

I don't have a way to estimate how much a moneybomb is actually a motivating factor in bringing donations that would not have otherwise been donated. Maybe that money just spreads out if there's no reason to hold it back and wait. I do believe it is substantial, I've seen the 'to hell with it, I'm donating' posts, and the tickerwatching (that's now neutralized to some extent since the ticker appears permanent this time around). Just don't know how much - and whether that degree is enjoyed with every moneybomb, or whether multiple moneybombs make it taper. Perhaps it would help to have serious professional statistical analysis to know exactly what maximizes, but even then whatever conclusions were drawn would include theoretical assumptions. In that case, do we move to what we can control, i.e. coordination, consensus?

[nayjevin]

libertypac.net

[MelissaWV]

Having more money bombs defeats the purpose of a money bomb, which I think people have forgotten.

Some folks will save up and splurge on those days, maxing out, drawing media attention.

There also needs to be an underlying effort to get people to donate small amounts regularly, and to keep momentum going in between the bombs. Those small amounts are where casual or new supporters may want to hop on. It's great to get into the excitement of the big money days, but tossing your $20, $50, or $100 into the pot at random is also appreciated.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

bump for further discussion now that Ron has basically said he's running. At least we have one moneybomb figured out!

May 5th, 2011 (5/5/11) - Debate Day Money Bomb www.DebateDay.com

:D

you can also donate right now! www.RonPaul2012.com

[Eric21ND]

We need something relatively soon...June/July 4th?

[libertybrewcity]

We need something relatively soon...June/July 4th?
July 4th would be perfect. These moneybombs need to big BIG, NATIONAL, and give people a chance to restock their funds. It gives a perfect amount of time to plan too.

[malkusm]

Any thoughts on the September idea of mine? If there's something better for a Q3 moneybomb I think we should entertain it....I was just looking for relevant dates around that time.


I posted this in the chat the other day....I like the idea of Thursday, September 8th as our Q3 moneybomb, which bridges the gap nicely between early July and the November 5th date.

September 8th is the birthday of "Mr. Republican," Senator Robert Taft, who was a strong non-interventionist and stood firmly against American involvement in such entangling alliances as NATO and the United Nations. Ron Paul frequently cites Taft as one of his major influences.

I think it would be a great way to "Call the GOP Back to its Roots" as the Rally for the Republic sign said.

[Matt Collins]

Debate Day Money Bomb needs to bring in $2 million

[Nate-ForLiberty]

bump... if you have't read this thread yet, please do. some good stuff all along the way.

[Paul4Prez]

July 21st -- the anniversary of the moon landing.
Call it Shoot the Moon. (Imagine the graphics, the countdown, the HOLD....)
Go for the record.
Put the Ron Paul campaign in orbit!

[PaulConventionWV]

July 21st -- the anniversary of the moon landing.
Call it Shoot the Moon. (Imagine the graphics, the countdown, the HOLD....)
Go for the record.
Put the Ron Paul campaign in orbit!

They would call us terrorists for expressing violence toward the moon...

[thehighwaymanq]

I'm down for July 4. It needs to be at the perfect time, because some people are out of money to donate. But this can't be far away where we lose momentum. Two months if perfect for this! Gives the campaign a nice push for the summer.

But it needs to be MUCH bigger than yesterday. And we need to reach out to the important people about it earlier. This needs to be more organized.

[Paul4Prez]

So when is the next moneybomb? Who will decide? I've seen 6/5, 6/13, 6/25, 6/29, 6/30, 7/2, 7/4, 7/21 and other dates thrown around. 9/17 could be the mother of all money bombs (Constitution signing day, plus the battle of Thermopylae/the 300), but we need one or two before that.

[IDefendThePlatform]

This is the first I've seen of 9/17 Constituion day, but I like it. Battle of thermoplaye is a good bonus.

I like 4th of July - patriotic as hell
Sept 17 - constitution day/ the 300; two full months off is a lot, but the campaign should get quite a bit of press and donations following a win at the Iowa straw poll on august 13th :)
Nov 11? I know guy fawkes was huge in 2008, but v for vendetta isnt around anymore, and i think a Veterans day bomb would improve our image and highlight rons military service, in contrast to Romney, huck and others.
Dec 16 Biggest Tea Party Ever.

[Michigan11]

Again, I think we need another in June, early...

What was the Liberty Pac Moneybomb? around $400k I think

The last one was $1 Million basically... so if he get one going in June it could be in the range of $2 - 3 Million

[Michigan11]

We need to put the building momentum and energy to use...

[libertybrewcity]

Late June/Early July

[Nate-ForLiberty]

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[tpreitzel]

I don't intend to belabor my point, but the number of money bombs annually should be four, one each quarter in the first week of the last month of each quarter. Nice, simple, clear, understandable, memorable, and effective. What do you want? Confusion, sloppiness, and ineffectiveness? ;)

[Nate-ForLiberty]

I don't intend to belabor my point, but the number of money bombs annually should be four, one each quarter in the first week of the last month of each quarter. Nice, simple, clear, understandable, memorable, and effective. What do you want? Confusion, sloppiness, and ineffectiveness? ;)

ad nauseum is what we're good at! :D

[tpreitzel]

ad nauseum is what we're good at! :D

LoL ... no argument from me

[Nate-ForLiberty]

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[choppa1890]

Ron Paul really needs to talk about the Economy. He needs to redirect all the problems to the economy and prove he has the ability to solve the problem. He can talk about reducing wasteful spending, fixing infrastructure, eliminating taxes, etc.

[rich34]

So is one being setup for November 5th?

[Bruno]

Ron Paul really needs to talk about the Economy. He needs to redirect all the problems to the economy and prove he has the ability to solve the problem. He can talk about reducing wasteful spending, fixing infrastructure, eliminating taxes, etc.

That's what he does best and what he has been doing for decades. And welcome to the forums. :)

[Paul4Prez]

Money bombs so far:

May 5th Debate Day -- $1.0M
June 5th Revolution vs. RomneyCare -- $1.0M?
July 19th Ready Ames Fire -- $0.5M
August 20th Ron Paul's Birthday -- $1.6M

Money bombs on tap:

September 17th Constitution Day
October 19th Black This Out!
November 11th Veterans Day

December 5th/15th/16th? TBD