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sailingaway
02-21-2011, 10:25 PM
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Stop acting like children and debate like adults



http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/stop-acting-like-children-and-debate-like-adults/

Matt Collins
02-21-2011, 10:32 PM
Love the Mike Church reference.

Cowlesy
02-21-2011, 10:59 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/stop-acting-like-children-and-debate-like-adults/

Great article, Jeff!

FSP-Rebel
02-21-2011, 11:16 PM
Word

sailingaway
02-21-2011, 11:27 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?280769-Jeff-Frazee-s-response-in-the-Daily-Caller-to-YAF

FSP-Rebel
02-21-2011, 11:30 PM
I've been mixed on Jeffery at times, tho I give him some props here.

PatriotOne
02-21-2011, 11:33 PM
This was published 12 minutes after Frazee's article.....

I liked this comment to the article:
In the interest of full disclosure, were you going to mention that you’re the managing editor at YAF’s magazine, or were you just hoping that nobody would look at your profile?


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/ron-pauls-poor-policy-and-poorer-defenders/#ixzz1EfANHUzG

Ron Paul’s poor policy and poorer defenders


For a group of people who supposedly pride themselves on the principles laid down in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and other U.S. foundational documents, one would expect a genuine and enlightened debate instead of groundless emoting. Nevertheless, in response to Young Americans for Freedom’s (YAF) decision to expel Rep. Ron Paul from its board of advisors, the only line from pro-Ron Paul mouthpieces has been deflection. Addressing the blatant failures of Paul’s foreign policy — and/or his utter disregard for the threat posed by radical Islamists — is not permitted by any of his supporters. Best, if not most amusing, among the critiques defending the Paul line was penned by Christopher Preble and published in The Daily Caller. Preble is the director of the esteemed libertarian Cato Institute’s foreign policy studies. Despite his title, Preble’s article stands as a case study for the illogical reasoning and retorts offered by Ron Paul’s defenders. What’s worse is that this is the norm coming out of this group.

Immediately following YAF’s expulsion of Paul, his supporters scrambled to affirm the narrative they’ve been honing for years: “Ron Paul is being painted as a fringe figure by the fearful ‘establishment’ because he is the true embodiment of Republican values.” In this case, YAF got to play the “establishment.” The Paul camp has only been able to offer specious arguments to defend their chosen one’s honor. First step for Paul-defenders was to include a bit on how “irrelevant” YAF has become. So irrelevant, that in 2001 Rep. Paul honored YAF and praised the Sharon Statement in Congress. Ron Paul still displays the award he won from the group on his official House of Representatives website. No mention is made about his pet group, Young Americans for Liberty (YAL). For such a web-savvy representative (who just had his website updated on February 11) it draws into question which groups are truly extraneous. YAF’s added “unimportance” was also demonstrated when Paul didn’t step down from the organization even after YAL was formed in 2008.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/ron-pauls-poor-policy-and-poorer-defenders/#ixzz1EfABCRSX

FSP-Rebel
02-21-2011, 11:36 PM
The dc is usually not nice to us.

messana
02-21-2011, 11:46 PM
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Thomas
02-21-2011, 11:55 PM
Jeff Frazee, the most competent leader in our movement

Imperial
02-22-2011, 12:00 AM
The dc is usually not nice to us.

Huh? They have been quite fair. They let any op-eds in; on this topic they have let both sides speak their mind twice now in my estimation (before Frazee a CATO Instituter had come on to defend Paul). They often have articles that approach politics from a libertarian approach.

I think Frazee did the right thing with this line:


That being said, I will be the first to detest the actions of the few individuals who called Dick Cheney a “war criminal” and disrupted his speech at CPAC. These people do not represent Young Americans for Liberty or Ron Paul, and their actions do not hasten the return of constitutional government.

Yet as any elected official or organization can attest, it is impossible to control the actions of every supporter or member. Unless, that is, YAF wants to take credit for former YAF California State Chair Ryan Sorba’s diatribe last year. Let’s be honest, his actions were no better.

But, just as YAF is not to blame for Sorba’s behavior, one certainly cannot blame Ron Paul for the behavior of a few. Every individual is responsible for their own behavior.

In fact, I want to personally thank new ACU Chairman Al Cardenas for speaking so clearly about the importance of civility at CPAC in this recent interview. I commend Mr. Cardenas for his remarks and wholeheartedly agree.