Civilized society is very skin deep... News crew attacked in broad daylight for no reason

[Reason]

Video @ link

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-fox40-crew-attacked-in-natomas-20110220,0,1215260.story

[puppetmaster]

is anyone here surprised?

[Yieu]

is anyone here surprised?

Uh... I am. How is that even a question? Of course I'm surprised, the reaction of the mob was insane and not logical, I don't understand it!

[moostraks]

From one of the comments there was more to the story with the reporters being told to back off and get out of their faces (not that I condone violence but reporters can be notoriously insensitive and demanding and blind to the possibility they are not invincible). If that is the case this is just more rationalization for the need for the police state.:(

[puppetmaster]

Uh... I am. How is that even a question? Of course I'm surprised, the reaction of the mob was insane and not logical, I don't understand it!

Then you don't understand a substantial percent of our population.

This is a predictable response, and also deplorable.

[Bern]

Propaganda is a form of violence. It's an expression of political force. They shouldn't be surprised when they get some blowback.

[sratiug]

The reporter had an attitude with people that just lost a friend or relative, fuck him. Law can't protect you from stupidity.

[VBRonPaulFan]

wow, they started being assholes the second he walked up to them and asked them a question. they could've used that as a good moment to ask anyone to come forward with information, instead they just got into some thug mentality and went right after the reporters. that's totally ridiculous.

[Thrashertm]

I can see why the crowd might have gotten pissed off. These reporters are akin to ambulance chasers, profiting off others' misery.

[pcosmar]

News crew attacked in broad daylight for no reason

There was a reason.
They were not welcome, and they did not leave fast enough.

What part of "get out of my face" do you not understand?

The other news crews did not get beat up. They kept their distance.

[kahless]

Should be of no surprise to see people who are mourning act irrational. The reporters should have been sensitive to that and gotten out of there as soon as they mourners protested. They did not deserve a beating and I do not condone that but they were insensitive and had to know they were playing with fire and might get burned.

[specsaregood]

Propaganda is a form of violence. It's an expression of political force. They shouldn't be surprised when they get some blowback.

Good. they make money off of other peoples' misery and misfortune. Too long have "reporters" considered themselves part of the elite untouchable by the mundanes. They gave up that right years ago when they (for the most part) switched from journalism to propaganda artists.

[Yieu]

From one of the comments there was more to the story with the reporters being told to back off and get out of their faces (not that I condone violence but reporters can be notoriously insensitive and demanding and blind to the possibility they are not invincible). If that is the case this is just more rationalization for the need for the police state.:(

I watched the scene from four angles, including from the beginning, and it did not appear the news crew were instigating it, they weren't given a chance to leave before violence was initiated. I also saw the comment you were referring to, but I do not see how the person who made that comment came to that conclusion, unless he was merely trying to 'shape opinion'.


Then you don't understand a substantial percent of our population.

This is a predictable response, and also deplorable.

I do not see how it could be predictable. Are you saying there are a large amount of people who are irrational? I do not see how you would be able to predict they would react in that way.


There was a reason.
They were not welcome, and they did not leave fast enough.

What part of "get out of my face" do you not understand?

The other news crews did not get beat up. They kept their distance.


Good. they make money off of other peoples' misery and misfortune. Too long have "reporters" considered themselves part of the elite untouchable by the mundanes. They gave up that right years ago when they (for the most part) switched from journalism to propaganda artists.

I see what you guys mean, but the other news reporters did go up to them, and then left. The individuals in that crowd did not seem to give the reporters they attacked a chance to leave, and violence is never the answer -- not when our government does it domestically or abroad, not when anyone does it. But then the peace/anti-war message is what brought me here.

[Tal]

I cant say I was surprised when I saw it was a group of black people attacking them.

[Yieu]

I cant say I was surprised when...

Okay, that was uncalled for and is against the forum rules. Ron Paul speaks out against such collectivism...

And it would be wrong for us to not call out such views when we see them.

[silverhandorder]

I don't know if it is against the forum rules but it was pretty damn stupid thing to say.

[Pistis]

I cant say I was surprised when I saw it was a group of black people attacking them.

Collectivist drivel!

It was also a group of black people holding back the attackers and conversing with the reporter towards the end of the clip.

[Yieu]

I don't know if it is against the forum rules but it was pretty damn stupid thing to say.

It is against the forum rules.


+ Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. It will not be tolerated here.

[Tal]

Okay, that was uncalled for and is against the forum rules. Ron Paul speaks out against such collectivism...

What collectivism? is it not a fact that crime rates among blacks is much much higher than white people ? I didnt say all blacks are violent, I just said I wasnt surprised that they where black.

Ron Paul also strikes me as a man who likes to tell the truth and not be politically correct and the facts is just that this sort of behavior is more common among blacks than whites.

[Yieu]

What collectivism? is it not a fact that crime rates among blacks is much much higher than white people ? I didnt say all blacks are violent, I just said I wasnt surprised that they where black.

Ron Paul also strikes me as a man who likes to tell the truth and not be politically correct and the facts is just that this sort of behavior is more common among blacks than whites.

It is collectivist. It is seeing people as groups rather than as individuals, and it is against the rules.

It is against the rules for a reason. It is an Ugly form of collectivism, and aside from that, it makes Ron Paul look bad, regardless of the fact that he disagrees with this form of collectivism.

[Tal]

It is collectivist. It is seeing people as groups rather than as individuals, and it is against the rules.

I dont view blacks as a collective sharing certain traits, I view blacks as individuals that range greatly in personality and behavior, it just so happens that I believe certain personality types are more common among black people than white people.

Edit: and that isnt viewing things collectively, that is being scientific.

[Danke]

I dont view blacks as a collective sharing certain traits, I view blacks as individuals that range greatly in personality and behavior, it just so happens that I believe certain personality types are more common among black people than white people.

I suppose next you're gonna say most blacks are better dancers than most Asians or Caucasians?

Do you mean to say there might be some cultural traits associated with certain groups of people in this world?

[Pistis]

I dont view blacks as a collective sharing certain traits, I view blacks as individuals that range greatly in personality and behavior, it just so happens that I believe certain personality types are more common among black people than white people.

Edit: and that isnt viewing things collectively, that is being scientific.

Is that the kind of science that allowed the Nazis to justify murdering ethnic minorities, the disabled and mentally retarded because of certain personality traits common among these groups.

And while we're at it, is it fair to say that a certain murderous personality type was common among white German males living in the 1935-45 era, hmmm? <sarcasm>

[pcosmar]

and violence is never the answer --

Violence is not an answer. Violence is a Reality. Violence is a response. (one of several possible)
No, it is not the answer, but ignoring the reality does not make it go away.

and walking up to a crowd of angry, and upset people is inviting a negative response. Especially for a propaganda outlet like Fox.

[teacherone]

oooohhh ohhhh.

i love playing who can say the most ignorant collectivist statement?

my turn "white people are continuously conquering nations and building empires which are doomed to fail.

ergo---they are violent... and stupid!"

what do i win?

[Yieu]

Violence is not an answer. Violence is a Reality. Violence is a response. (one of several possible)
No, it is not the answer, but ignoring the reality does not make it go away.

and walking up to a crowd of angry, and upset people is inviting a negative response. Especially for a propaganda outlet like Fox.

Well, what strikes me as odd is that other news organizations walked up to them, were told they didn't want to be filmed, and the crowd allowed them to leave. But then out of nowhere the crowd didn't let these last two reporters leave. Fox certainly is propaganda, but I'm a big fan of non-violent resistance.

[Yieu]

oooohhh ohhhh.

i love playing who can say the most ignorant collectivist statement.

my turn "white people are continuously conquering nations and building empires which are doomed to fail.

ergo---they are violent... and stupid!"

what do i win?

I love it! Brilliant, beautiful, sarcasm. :D

That gets a +Rep. So does everyone else that called it out. A round of Rep for all who call such things out as they happen in the future sounds like a good policy.

[eOs]

You don't fuck with people when one of their family members was just murdered. You especially don't show up with giant camera gear. From both videos you can tell they rolled up on the family already taking footage and trying to ask questions. The correct response would of been to walk over and ask them if they wanted to talk without the gear. I think when people see you filming them mourning without their permission they can become offended.

[Cowlesy]

I cant say I was surprised when I saw it was a group of black people attacking them.

We don't do racial collectivism here. This forum is dedicated to grassroots activity reflective of Dr. Paul's ideas. He is not a racial collectivist. In fact, this forum is naturally, instead of by force of the State, is a diverse forum, ethnically.

+ Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. It will not be tolerated here.

Consider yourself advised of the forum guideline.

[fisharmor]

I dont view blacks as a collective sharing certain traits, I view blacks as individuals that range greatly in personality and behavior, it just so happens that I believe certain personality types are more common among black people than white people.

Edit: and that isnt viewing things collectively, that is being scientific.

How many black people are in the whole of Denmark, exactly?
I work with a black guy from Jamaica, three black guys from Sierra Leone, a black guy from Botswana, and a black woman from America.
They're all pretty even tempered... but more to the point, they're from all over the world, and from various different socioeconomic backgrounds.
What you and I are doing in our assessments might be empirical, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "scientific".

I do hope you reconsider your position.

[Yieu]

You don't fuck with people when one of their family members was just murdered. You especially don't show up with giant camera gear. From both videos you can tell they rolled up on the family already taking footage and trying to ask questions. The correct response would of been to walk over and ask them if they wanted to talk without the gear. I think when people see you filming them mourning without their permission they can become offended.

True, it would have been wiser to have the equipment off in the first place, then ask if they want to speak. I don't believe violence is an appropriate response, but it was rude to have walked up already filming. The filming after the attack was wise though, because at that point they were filming assault, which is video evidence.

[Yieu]

How many black people are in the whole of Denmark, exactly?
I work with a black guy from Jamaica, three black guys from Sierra Leone, a black guy from Botswana, and a black woman from America.
They're all pretty even tempered... but more to the point, they're from all over the world, and from various different socioeconomic backgrounds.
What you and I are doing in our assessments might be empirical, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "scientific".

I do hope you reconsider your position.


We don't do racial collectivism here. This forum is dedicated to grassroots activity reflective of Dr. Paul's ideas. He is not a racial collectivist. In fact, this forum is naturally, instead of by force of the State, is a diverse forum, ethnically.

+ Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. It will not be tolerated here.

Consider yourself advised of the forum guideline.

Aaand, all out of Rep for today from just this thread, for the posts that were defending Dr. Paul's dignity and good name here on our forum.

[Tal]

I suppose next you're gonna say most blacks are better dancers than most Asians or Caucasians?

Well I dunno about dancing but yes in general I think the percentage of blacks that are athletically gifted is higher among blacks than whites or asians, I dont think its a coincidence that 70% of NFL players are black or that 80% of NBL players are black also.

That saying ''White men cant jump'' might be said in jest but I think there is some truth to it.


Do you mean to say there might be some cultural traits associated with certain groups of people in this world?

Yes I believe that alot of black families tend to value athletic performance over for example intellectual performance and I guess you can call that culture.


Is that the kind of science that allowed the Nazis to justify murdering ethnic minorities, the disabled and mentally retarded because of certain personality traits common among these groups.

First of all the Nazi beliefs when it came to race where incredibly crude and erronous (they were collectivist unlike me) and second of all just because I believe in some theory doesnt mean I wanna kill anyone or discriminate against anyone, im a very tolerant and friendly person in general.

Its not like this theory is that uncommon, I mean my approach to races is the accepted mainstream scientific theory when it comes to classifying and describing dog races for example, but because people want to be politically correct they are willing to sacrifice science and truth on the altar of political correctness.


And while we're at it, is it fair to say that a certain murderous personality type was common among white German males living in the 1935-45 era, hmmm? <sarcasm>

I wouldnt call it murderous but yeah I think alot Germans (and Russians and Chinese and alot of other ethnic groups) tend to have more of an inclination towards collectivism and this collectivism and totallitarianism was what got people killed in Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia for example.

I dont think im one of the people with this inclination though since my grandfather was one of roughly a thousand danish police officers that got sent to Buchenwald concentration camp because they were hostile towards the Nazi occupiers and I have never been a fan of collectivism either myself.

[fisharmor]

Well I dunno about dancing but yes in general I think the percentage of blacks that are athletically gifted is higher among blacks than whites or asians, I dont think its a coincidence that 70% of NFL players are black or that 80% of NBL players are black also.

How many black olympic-class swimmers can you name?
Yet is that not athletic?
How is it that Latinos and Asians dominate lighter weight boxing?
Ice Hockey, anyone?

[BamaAla]

There are certain subcultures in this country that feel that violence is an appropriate answer to many situations, so this doesn't surprise me in the least.

[fisharmor]

There are certain subcultures in this country that feel that violence is an appropriate answer to many situations, so this doesn't surprise me in the least.

You know, if I wasn't at work I'd find the video of Geraldo when he was interviewing some guy in the KKK, where Geraldo is the one who started throwing punches, and the Klansmen were the ones who broke it up.

[BamaAla]

You know, if I wasn't at work I'd find the video of Geraldo when he was interviewing some guy in the KKK, where Geraldo is the one who started throwing punches, and the Klansmen were the ones who broke it up.

Absolutely. It isn't racial; its cultural. I grew up in one of the more violent cultures in the country (poor-southern-rural.)

[daviddee]

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[Captain Shays]

On the same token, the friends and family could have said "look. we're grieving the loss of our loved one and we don't want to be filmed or interviewed right now. If you insist on doing a story on this, could you please do it from across the street like the other media outlet over there"?.
That's what we did when my step son was shot and killed and the media respected it and went about 100 yards away. They still filmed it and put in on TV but they didn't get in our faces.
No one from our family got in their face right away and shouted "So Wutchya gonna doo bitch"

[specsaregood]

On the same token, the friends and family could have said "look. we're grieving the loss of our loved one and we don't want to be filmed or interviewed right now. If you insist on doing a story on this, could you please do it from across the street like the other media outlet over there"?

So what you are saying is that members of the media are lacking in normal inter-personal relationship skills, not famililiar with normal human emotions and instead must be treated like little kids and trained on proper behavior in such circumstances?

I'd wager this crew thinks twice next time they are in a similar situation.

[Justin D]

Having looked at the bottom video provided at the link I'll say that the male reporter should have carried a gun.

I'll play devil's advocate:

Tal's not saying that 'we' should kill people just because they look different or behave differently, just that he wasn't surprised by what happened. The Nazi reference made earlier is the reason why we should resist increasing state power, especially in the health care field. It could be used against us in the future.

As far as race is concerned my philosophy is to not hate, but don't be blinded by political correctness. Instead, we should be more keen at observing the world around us for how it is. Blacks are statistically much more likely to commit crime. What would surprise me would be if a group attack like that happened where the participants were white.

In my Smithtown High School we have few black kids (like, 10 at the most). The black guys use slang, dress sloppily, and, from what I hear, are disruptive in class. From what I've seen two of them also chase around white girls. My cousin, who lives in West Babylon, tells how he was stolen from by a black girl at his high school during lunch. The girl stole his cell phone or mp3 player (not sure). The rest of the blacks at the table denied it. Eventually, a security guard or lunch aid searched her bag and found it. The girl pretended it didn't happen. This was last year. About three years ago my cousin was cutting across a park on his bicycle to get to a store after school. At the edge of the park two black guys, one with a bat, threatened him and told him to give up his bike. He refused. Right after that one of them began to hit him on his head with the bat. My cousin knew tai-kwon-do, but wasn't in a position to defend himself because he was sitting on his bike. He was bloody and had to get 12 staples in the head.

P.S. We're not all created equal. In fact we're all different; some are just more different than others.

[denison]

being pushed down, when getting into a mourning person's face, is not the end of civilization. stop being so fucking dramatic.

these reporter scum have no compassion. he got off easy. if he tried that sh!t in egypt he get gang-raped.

[Yieu]

We are created equal. Perhaps not 'equal' in a material sense (rich/poor/etc), but all souls are equal. Straight from the mouth of God:


Chapter 2, Verse 24
This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, all-pervading, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.

Chapter 2, Verse 25
It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable, immutable, and unchangeable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.

[Justin D]

We are created equal. Perhaps not 'equal' in a material sense (rich/poor/etc), but all souls are equal. Straight from the mouth of God:

That's true. Unfortunately, many people in today's society can't find their own inner peace.

[driller80545]

I cant say I was surprised when I saw it was a group of black people attacking them.


Scratch "black people" and insert "humans" and I will concede to your statement. Otherwise, yech!

[lester1/2jr]

I cant say I was surprised when I saw it was a group of black people attacking them.

Scratch "black people" and insert "humans" and I will concede to your statement. Otherwise, yech!

not to be a PC bastard but that was probably the point of the thread. you know "wink wink some people"

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

It's a jungle out there. :D

[Romulus]

You don't fuck with people when one of their family members was just murdered. You especially don't show up with giant camera gear. From both videos you can tell they rolled up on the family already taking footage and trying to ask questions. The correct response would of been to walk over and ask them if they wanted to talk without the gear. I think when people see you filming them mourning without their permission they can become offended.

This.

[Tal]

I found another video of the same incident on another forum, these ''mourners'' sure dont come off looking too good in it.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh7S4i46nOvyK5tnQy

[BlackTerrel]

I cant say I was surprised when I saw it was a group of black people attacking them.

And there's the predictable response when I first saw the video. Though I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason for posting the video in the first place.