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Agorism
02-16-2011, 08:40 PM
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/02/16/tea-party-anger-at-michele-bachmann-explodes-over-patriot-act-votes/


Four times in just one week Michele Bachmann, a Congresswoman from Minnesota and self-appointed Chair of the Congressional Tea Party Caucus, voted in favor of the big-government surveillance, search and seizure powers of the Patriot Act. On February 8, Rep. Bachmann voted in favor of reauthorizing Patriot Act with no amendments or committee consideration allowed. On February 10, Bachmann voted to bring Patriot Act reauthorization back to the House floor, despite the fact that it had just been voted down. On the evening of Valentine’s Day, Michele Bachmann rejected a motion to follow House Rules and send the Patriot Act to the appropriate committees so members could propose sensible reforms. A few minutes after that, Bachmann voted YES to support final passage of the Patriot Act’s renewal in the House. All of these votes operated under conditions that permitted no amendments, no compromise, no reform, and mere minutes of debate.

There are a lot of rank-and-file members of the Tea Party who are not happy about this. They harkened to her words last year as she inaugurated the Tea Party Caucus in Congress:


George Washington once said, “The Constitution is the guide which I never will abandon.” Sadly, it seems today that the Constitution is no longer at the forefront guiding Congress…. I called for a Tea Party Caucus to bring Members’ attention to the cries of everyday Americans who are asking for a return to the fundamental principles contained within our nation’s greatest document, the Constitution.

Americans from all locations and backgrounds have united through Tea Parties to spread the timeless messages of fiscal responsibility and limited government. And I have talked to many people who felt discouraged because no one in Washington D.C. seemed willing to listen. This caucus will change that sentiment and ensure the voices of the people are carried through the halls of Congress.

Tea Party Americans are asking themselves how the same Michele Bachmann could just months later issue four rapid-fire votes in favor of the Patriot Act, which lets government agents spy on, search and seize the property of people who have nothing to do with terrorism and when there is no probable cause to suspect them of involvement in a crime. “Probable cause” may seem like a familiar phrase to you — it’s the standard that must be met according to the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It’s the same Constitution that Michele Bachmann wrapped herself in last year, the same Constitution that she’s discarded like used toilet paper.

And if you think that language is harsh, consider the words written to Michele Bachmann yesterday on her Facebook page. Here’s a sample:

Joe Harrison Not a good move. Very disturbing!

Ambree Williams-Coleman ?:p :p :p

John Oetken Pathetic – And on the latest vote proceedural move – Just four Republicans, including Congressman Ron Paul, voted against the extension. On Tuesday 26 Republicans had voted against. The other three Republican nays were Chris Gibson (N.Y.), Raul Labrador (Idaho) and Tom McClintock (Calif.).

Terri Romans Horvath This is tyranny against the American people. This is a complete scam to grid in the American people!

Patrick DiGiorgio Hey Michelle, are you saying that you don’t remember 2006?? These are the reasons we wind up with idiots like pelosi! Use your head, nothing in the patriot act, not a single piece is popular with us!!

Scott O’Bryant i will take my chances against the terrorist i might out gun them its the fed. gov i fear

Jake Hemingway She just voted Yes again folks, it just passed the house…its a sad day for America…again. I don’t think Bachmann should ever claim to be affiliated with the Tea Party again. She is simply ignoring the will of the people, and doesn’t seem to care. Minnesota voters you will have to find a real conservative, not a pretender.

King Vitaman NeoCon Traitor

Joel Dwyer shameful

Thomas Stone Stupid Bitch! you just seald your fait!

Steve Albritton Ms. Bachmann, you made the wrong choice. You sold out your constituents with your vote. Stop claiming to be something you evidently are not.

Eli Davis Which party are you supposed to represent? Seems like the same ol thing…….FAIL…..

Jason Whittington Congresswoman Bachmann, shame on you. You are a hypocrite of the highest order. You talk long and loud about our beloved Constitution, but you end up spitting on it by authorizing the government to illegally spy on us without a warrant.

Mike Little Come on… this is insanity. Please don’t cave like this.

Carolyn Davis-Stokes I use to support and like you, because you were for the Tea Party! I pray you loose your bid for pres., and need to get out of the Tea Party! The jPatroit Act is UNSCONSTITUTIONAL AND YOU KNOW IT! YOU MUST BE A BLOODY WAR MONGER

John Weaver What was that saying about temporary safety? If you want to do something to protect Americans, concentrate on the ports and borders. Pretending that invading American’s privacy is for our protection is a farce! You claim to be part of the Tea Party but you have no idea!

Russell Lawrence Benford You exposed yourself as a person that just gives lip service. You are a traitor and a sell-out.

Fredrick Steputis Madam, you are a fraud! Resign now.

David Greaves Scumbag Traitor to our country. I hope that your constituents vote you out of office as fast as possible. I would rather have an honest liberal socialist than a treasonous liar who pretends to support our constitution. The best thing you can do is not run again ever!

Mark Puckett This is a terrible move. Anyone with half a brain knows this is as unconstitutional as it gets. You Rep. Bachmann, have failed. Epicly.

Jason Whittington Dislike

Carl Smith Michelle …you dissapointed quite a few people , me included .

Lynn Pettis Kahnke Big mistake Michele.

Brad Stylus you violated your constitutional oath you are a liar and a traittor

Chris Hall Where would you like us to put the 4th amendment since we won’t be using it anymore? Any suggestions?

Phil Pepin More proof that the real threat to our freedom is not in the Middle East but in Washington DC.

Rockee Andrew if you cant comprehend what the soCalled “patriot”act is you are not ready for primeTime governing;; we wont be welcoming you back to michigan teaparty’.. im told you also have/had a real fondness for exPresBush?

James Wood Lemme guess, Michele. They told you the American people were just dumb, plodding animals who won’t hold you accountable. That was true before, it’s not true now. YOU. ARE. DONE. Sit down, and STFU you bimbo snake.

Jake Hemingway In the face of overwhelming opposition to her vote, she is too afraid to even explain her vote. She won’t even comment. Well that tends to be the common response from the establishment when asked why they vote to end liberty…”no comment” Fact is there is no justification she could offer that would justify this assault on American liberty, which is the cornerstone of our Nation. Bachmann is an educated lawyer…hmmmm well I am just a student working on my undergrad, but I am willing to bet that I could totally own her in a one on one debate on this issue. Yes Michelle, thats an official challenge from a college student. :)

Bret Elliott Hi Michele, can you explain to a financial supporter how you could betray us and vote for the patriot act extension. btw, that name is an abomination, there is nothing patriotic about it. Very disappointed. Please look me up, I am a donor and have donation letters from you on my desk right now, like that is going to happen again. Very disappointed!

Joe Nusbaum Michele Bachmann I am disappointed that you voted for the Patriot Act. It is now clear that you are a traitor to the Constitution and our rights. Please don’t waste our time by even considering to run for re-election. Thank You

William Mottl Dear Michele, Please do not associate yourself with the TEA PARTY, The Constitution or Liberty anymore.

George E Denekas we the people will not tolerate anyone that deviate’s off of the path we place them on. voting for the patriot act is a big slap in the face to us. just when i thought we really had someone stepping up to the plate you back down. im really disappointed in you and i can never trust you again. i hope it was worth it for you.

Thomas Stone Flip Flop much?

Jeffrey Behrends why did you vote for the Patriot Act

Michael Rodabaugh You are a disgrace for this Country Congresswoman. We supported you expecting you to uphold the Constitution. In our eyes, you should be impeached or resign for your inability to serve under the law of the land. How could you vote for the Patriot Act?

Skylar Thomas NOT GOOD :( voting for the Patriot Act!!

Robert Woodward You can kiss your job goodbye. You have lost any and all respect from anyone who values freedom. How can anyone trust you now? Its unfortunate I had to like this page to post a comment. :(

Aryeh Ohayon No matter what your reasoning is or was, you voted to continue the encroachment of the freedom’s of the people with the continuation of the Un-Patriot Act. Why watch Fox and listen to you? You’re only going to lie to save your not-soon-enough to be voted out of office behind.

Tina Froid Calling all Americans, we have to stand up for our freedom! Even if the fake politicians don’t back us. We are the pyramid that is holding them up. call your governors, homeland security, and who ever else you can. Talking about a huge demonstration that needs to happen soon!

Jeremiah Mckenna Michele Bachmann, Michele Bachmann, Still waiting for an answer to why you thought it was a good idea to vote to extend parts of the Patriot Act, when there are rules, regulations and laws that the Law Enforcement community has in place already in order to fight criminals and or terrorists? And why do you delete the question?

Cullen McElmurry Once again, another fake politician with no backbone. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Erica Jo Belcher Why in GODS name did you vote for the PATRIOT ACT!!! I supported you.. past tense .. not anymore!!

Glen Comyford I hit the “LIKE” button just so I can tell you how Fn’ dis-appointed I am in you.You and so called Repub constitution lovers like yourself have just hiked your leg’s on the constitution and make me want to vomit..You are no more than Pelosi atop an elephant..With that said I will now flush you from the bathroom of my political life..Whoooshhh…bye,bye traitor..

Eric Nehring why on earth did you vote for an extension of the Patriot Act? As a liberty minded conservative, this makes it hard to continue to support you.

Jim Fox Dear Representative Bachman, You are an evangelical Christian (I am one as well!) and I exhort you as a brother in Christ, before the Living God to uphold the oath you took before Him to obey and uphold the Constitution, including the 4th amendment. “He/she who would sacrifice liberty for safety, will get neither.”

Robert Osborne You claim to support the Constitution, yet you vote for this Unconstitutional Atrocity called the “Patriot Act”. Better study your Constitution some more, before you vote on any more laws.

Thomas Bitterling EPIC FAIL for Voting in favour of the UnPatriot Act, Republican Groupie is what you have reduced yourself to. Your Politcal Career with the Tea Party is no over!

Brandon Q How does the woman who gave the “Gangster Government” speech on the house floor go and give the gangster government unlimited power to search and spy on the people? You are either a fraud or a moron. Either why you are a traitor to your country. You swore an oath to protect the constitution and then you took a big dump on it. You should be ashamed if yourself. No real Patriot would vote for the Patriot Act and now none of them will vote for you! Forget President you wont get re-elected.

Rob Ross I can’t believe you voted for the patriot act. You have pretty much lost all credibility. I mean you are suppose to be someone who understands the constitution. just because technology has changed doesn’t mean that the rights of the people need to be taken away. Shame on you Michelle Bachman. The only bright side to this is you wont be in Washington for much longer.

Patrick Pulliam Do what you can now because you will be voted out this next time around GUARANTEED and forever labeled a traitor to the Constitution and to the people you lied to in your personal pursuit of power and corruption!

Donna M Martinez I am seriously disappointed in you for voting for the unconstitutional Patriot Act!

James Glenn The Question is: Are you a Traitor or just not very bright? Please refrain from bringing up the constitution in your tea-party speeches from now on, you wiped your butt with it when you voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act.

Thomas Stone GLOBALIST NEOCON THAT VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT !

Paul Hicks ?…I can not believe you voted up on the un-Patriot Act Bill, this is a mistake…

Shooter McGaven This is my responce to you Vote for the extention of the patriot act: WORST REPRESENTATIVE EVER!!!!

Tommy Effyn Dice Who did you make a deal with for votes? That’s how it works people… Make deals with the devils that if you vote for your law, they will vote for the one that you came up with merely for re-election

Mark Lessard Why would you vote for the extention of the Patriot Act? You say you are for the Constitution? I am starting to think none of you are serious about it. SAD

Angel Cowell Even Nancy pelosi voted against the Patriot act…you’re a FRAUD! Please stop telling people you’re a Tea Party representitve….you’re just a neocon ….go back to your party where you belong

Kathleen Riley Daniels House GOP Rejects Requirement That PATRIOT Act Surveillances Be Conducted in Compliance With Constitution

Joe Harrison Sorry you had to vote for Patriot Act. You have lost me.

Thomas van Allen michele you turn out to be another phoney rep.voting for the patriot act,. that is against our 4th and 1st amenment of the constitution.some conservative.what a phoney you turn out to be.

Leah Merriman She showed her true colors. She won’t even be re-elected for a second term as Rep, much less become a contender for president. The UNPatriot act has got to go. She must not really care about the Constitution.

Jason Houts So who paid you off for the Aye vote on the patriot act extension?

Adam Shepherd Shame on you for abandoning your small government principles and supporting a big government violation of the 4th Amendment.

Martin Nitschke What? I thought you were teaching the Constitution and you vote FOR the Patriot ACT????

Brett Rogers Michele Bachmann betrayed tea party with PATRIOT Act vote

Jennifer Says I used to support you. No more.

Daniel Doherty All that talk you did about being for the American people and the Constitution was complete bullshit. Now we know it was all lip service. Enjoy your last term. you will be out on your ass come next election.

Jerry Wojcik Not happy with you. You are a sell out !!! You are done ! What a disappointment!!
A lot of people are not happy with the mismatch between the words of Michele Bachmann and the actions of Michele Bachmann. Do you think these disgruntled words will translate into political action?

Tags: anger, constituents, constitution, michele bachmann, patriot act, reauthorization, rebellion, tea party, votes

sailingaway
02-16-2011, 09:00 PM
The really inexplicable one was voting against the motion to recommit which would have required the Patriot Act be implemented in accordance with the Constitution and would have fast tracked Constitutional challenges for review. How can you say you stand for the Constitution and vote against that? But then, I have the same question for Amash.

Valli6
02-16-2011, 09:03 PM
Has she made any kind of reply yet? Anything at all?!

Brett85
02-16-2011, 09:05 PM
The really inexplicable one was voting against the motion to recommit which would have required the Patriot Act be implemented in accordance with the Constitution and would have fast tracked Constitutional challenges for review. How can you say you stand for the Constitution and vote against that? But then, I have the same question for Amash.

As has been stated before, Republicans are expected to vote with their party on procedural votes. Her actual vote in favor of the Patriot Act is all that matters.

Brett85
02-16-2011, 09:07 PM
My represenative who was endorsed by Ron Paul has been just as bad. He voted for the Patriot Act as well, and his office won't provide me with an explanation for his vote. Today I saw that he voted against an amendment by Walter Jones to cut $400 million dollars from the nation building project in Afghanistan. Ron made a big mistake in endorsing him.

Humanae Libertas
02-16-2011, 09:08 PM
Has she made any kind of reply yet? Anything at all?!

She has not a care in the world what her constituents think(like most other Congressmen). Of course she'll be on FOX calling for limited government, yet rubber stamping every bill/legislation that erodes our Bill of Rights and Constitution. It seems the Tea-O-Con party only cares is if government is try to take your money - but have no problem with the government invading your personal life.

C'mon...we all knew she was going to vote for the extensions of the PATRIOT Act.

sailingaway
02-16-2011, 09:11 PM
My represenative who was endorsed by Ron Paul has been just as bad. He voted for the Patriot Act as well, and his office won't provide me with an explanation for his vote. Today I saw that he voted against an amendment by Walter Jones to cut $400 million dollars from the nation building project in Afghanistan. Ron made a big mistake in endorsing him.

I love Ron, but in the general election he seems willing to endorse 'best' even if not 'great', if they are a vote for something he wants, like the audit.

sailingaway
02-16-2011, 09:12 PM
As has been stated before, Republicans are expected to vote with their party on procedural votes. Her actual vote in favor of the Patriot Act is all that matters.

The motion to recommit wasn't procedural it was the sole amendment the Dems had a crack at, and would have required following the Constitution.

Brett85
02-16-2011, 09:13 PM
I love Ron, but in the general election he seems willing to endorse 'best' even if not 'great', if they are a vote for something he wants, like the audit.

But he endorsed my rep in the primary. I thought that he'd be more of a traditional conservative than he's been so far.

sailingaway
02-16-2011, 09:15 PM
But he endorsed my rep in the primary. I thought that he'd be more of a traditional conservative than he's been so far.

Huh. Maybe the guy sounded better than he was. Who was it?

Vessol
02-16-2011, 09:21 PM
Lets hope for the sake of the Republican party that the majority of the Tea Party is against the Patriot Act..I wasn't really getting that feeling at CPAC..

Ninja Homer
02-16-2011, 09:46 PM
I was giving Bachmann the benefit of the doubt, because she was helping Ron Paul out against the Fed, and seemed to be learning. This was the last straw.

Brett85
02-16-2011, 09:50 PM
Huh. Maybe the guy sounded better than he was. Who was it?

Tim Huelskamp from Kansas. He did vote to not fund the fighter jet, which is something I guess.

sailingaway
02-16-2011, 09:57 PM
Tim Huelskamp from Kansas. He did vote to not fund the fighter jet, which is something I guess.

Fiscal conservative maybe; maybe it is that there was something actually BAD about his opponent.

TheeJoeGlass
02-16-2011, 10:09 PM
But he endorsed my rep in the primary. I thought that he'd be more of a traditional conservative than he's been so far.

Ron said a bunch of people signed a petition against the act, but voted for it anyway. Simply vote them out.

Brett85
02-16-2011, 10:09 PM
Fiscal conservative maybe; maybe it is that there was something actually BAD about his opponent.

Yeah, he's a fiscal conservative except when it comes to overseas stimulus spending.

HOLLYWOOD
02-16-2011, 10:09 PM
She has not a care in the world what her constituents think(like most other Congressmen). Of course she'll be on FOX calling for limited government, yet rubber stamping every bill/legislation that erodes our Bill of Rights and Constitution. It seems the Tea-O-Con party only cares is if government is try to take your money - but have no problem with the government invading your personal life.

C'mon...we all knew she was going to vote for the extensions of the PATRIOT Act.

Michele bachmann is there for the cameras... she is garbage to liberty/freedoms/foreign intervention.

I'm sure the SCAMMING TEA PARTY websites like: FREEDOM WORKS, TEA PARTY EXPRESS, RESISTNET, and PATRIOT ACTION NETWORK has their fascist established clowns to spew propaganda among their sites. It's a shame that real Tea Party people are being sucked into those sites and manipulated by their propagandists/megaphones AND their money.

DXDoug
02-16-2011, 10:10 PM
wow did she mess up

Brett85
02-16-2011, 10:11 PM
Ron said a bunch of people signed a petition against the act, but voted for it anyway. Simply vote them out.

If a liberty candidate runs against him in the GOP primary I'll vote for the liberty candidate. But in a general election he would still probably be better than whatever Democrat ran against him. But I certainly won't donate money and campaign for him like I did last time.

Brett85
02-16-2011, 10:14 PM
Fiscal conservative maybe; maybe it is that there was something actually BAD about his opponent.

He's a fiscal conservative except when it comes to overseas stimulus spending.

Bergie Bergeron
02-16-2011, 10:16 PM
The really inexplicable one was voting against the motion to recommit which would have required the Patriot Act be implemented in accordance with the Constitution and would have fast tracked Constitutional challenges for review. How can you say you stand for the Constitution and vote against that? But then, I have the same question for Amash.
Ask him on Facebook, he'll answer.

sailingaway
02-16-2011, 10:20 PM
he's a fiscal conservative except when it comes to overseas stimulus spending.

lol!

That's a pretty big hole in the bucket.

Sola_Fide
02-16-2011, 10:35 PM
It is encouraging to see those comments guys...you have to admit!

rp08orbust
02-16-2011, 10:39 PM
As has been stated before, Republicans are expected to vote with their party on procedural votes. Her actual vote in favor of the Patriot Act is all that matters.

Surely there are boundaries to his party loyalty on procedural votes. What if he could have prevented the Federal Reserve Act from passing by bucking his party and supporting a motion to recommit? It seems to me that killing the Patriot Act just wasn't a high enough priority for him.

Brett85
02-16-2011, 10:46 PM
Surely there are boundaries to his party loyalty on procedural votes. What if he could have prevented the Federal Reserve Act from passing by bucking his party and supporting a motion to recommit? It seems to me that killing the Patriot Act just wasn't a high enough priority for him.

They didn't have the votes to stop it anyway. If he actually had the power to kill the Patriot Act through some procedural move he would probably do it. But as it is, I don't think he wants to lose committee assignments in order to please hardcore libertarians.

low preference guy
02-16-2011, 10:48 PM
They didn't have the votes to stop it anyway. If he actually had the power to kill the Patriot Act through some procedural move he would probably do it. But as it is, I don't think he wants to lose committee assignments in order to please hardcore libertarians.

So if someone supports the Fourth Amendment he is a hardcore libertarian? Geez.

Live_Free_Or_Die
02-16-2011, 10:51 PM
Why are the political cheerleaders upset? Did they actually expect elected rulers to do what they say? ROFLOL. Shame on they... Yes shame on they because it is only shame on you the first time and this ain't the first time...

Stop moaning and go clean up your pom pom's for the next election so you can elect another ruler who won't do what they say....

sailingaway
02-16-2011, 10:53 PM
Why are the political cheerleaders upset? Did they actually expect elected rulers to do what they say? ROFLOL. Shame on they... Yes shame on they because it is only shame on you the first time and this ain't the first time...

Stop moaning and go clean up your pom pom's for the next election so you can elect another ruler who won't do what they say....

Ron does. And if Ron can, they all can.

And should.

Brett85
02-16-2011, 10:58 PM
So if someone supports the Fourth Amendment he is a hardcore libertarian? Geez.

No, I support the 4th amendment and oppose the Patriot Act. I was talking about people who want Justin to vote "no" on every one of these procedural votes just for the heck of it.

low preference guy
02-16-2011, 11:01 PM
No, I support the 4th amendment and oppose the Patriot Act. I was talking about people who want Justin to vote "no" on every one of these procedural votes just for the heck of it.

They don't want him to vote "for the heck of it". That's like saying that it doesn't matter if some senator voted for the bailout because it was going to pass anyway. Voting against it would've been just "for the heck of it".

Brett85
02-16-2011, 11:04 PM
They don't want him to vote "for the heck of it". That's like saying that it doesn't matter if some senator voted for the bailout because it was going to pass anyway. Voting against it would've been just "for the heck of it".

Maybe you should convince Justin to vote against his party on procedural votes so that he'll lose all of his committee spots. This whole conversation is ridiculous when Justin voted against the actual bill TWICE. That is the vote that actually counts!

low preference guy
02-16-2011, 11:09 PM
Maybe you should convince Justin to vote against his party on procedural votes so that he'll lose all of his committee spots. This whole conversation is ridiculous when Justin voted against the actual bill TWICE. That is the vote that actually counts!

You're changing the topic. I'm disputing your characterization that anyone who criticizes Justin is a hardcore libertarian. Any person, even someone who isn't a hardcore libertarian, could rightly ask him to use all his votes to protect at least the entire Bill of Rights. Asking him to defend the Constitution he swore to defend doesn't mean one is a hardcore libertarian, not even a libertarian.

Brett85
02-16-2011, 11:21 PM
You're changing the topic. I'm disputing your characterization that anyone who criticizes Justin is a hardcore libertarian. Any person, even someone who isn't a hardcore libertarian, could rightly ask him to use all his votes to protect at least the entire Bill of Rights. Asking him to defend the Constitution he swore to defend doesn't mean one is a hardcore libertarian, not even a libertarian.

I don't think you understand what I originally meant. Justin has protected the entire bill of rights by voting against the Patriot Act twice. I praised him for doing this. These were the actual votes that counted. I don't think that people should criticize Justin when he was one of only 27 Republicans who voted AGAINST the Patriot Act. How about if we criticize the over 200 Republicans who voted for it?

low preference guy
02-16-2011, 11:30 PM
I don't think you understand what I originally meant. Justin has protected the entire bill of rights by voting against the Patriot Act twice. I praised him for doing this. These were the actual votes that counted. I don't think that people should criticize Justin when he was one of only 27 Republicans who voted AGAINST the Patriot Act. How about if we criticize the over 200 Republicans who voted for it?

Those are all valid points but the statement that those who criticize him are necessarily hardcore libertarians who want him to oppose the vote "just for the heck of it" is false.

sailingaway
02-16-2011, 11:34 PM
But Bachman had Scalia in to lecture on the Constitution but voted for the Patriot Act. Boo, Michelle!!

Pericles
02-16-2011, 11:59 PM
But Bachman had Scalia in to lecture on the Constitution but voted for the Patriot Act. Boo, Michelle!!
Failed the course, so it will have to be repeated in the hope of a better result.

TruckinMike
02-17-2011, 12:16 AM
But Bachman had Scalia in to lecture on the Constitution but voted for the Patriot Act. Boo, Michelle!!

Yeah, and Scalia Gave us "reasonable regulation" in the Heller decision -- Just another traitor.

TMike

PS- and you're right about Amash, I made a post a couple days ago on that point.

qh4dotcom
02-17-2011, 12:45 AM
A Facebook comment I read


Is Michelle going to force us to coin a new term - TINO (Teapartier in name only)?

dbill27
02-17-2011, 01:09 AM
wow, i just looked at her facebook page and started going through comments. An amazing number of pro ron paul comments flooding her page. Thats how you get more voters! I also saw a few people who posted things in favor of a paul/bachman ticket, as crazy as that sounds dont attck those people with anti bachman messages just let them be, we need all the support we can get

Arion45
02-17-2011, 01:24 AM
I wonder when people will understand that government does not work. Force will never work.

amy31416
02-17-2011, 05:30 AM
I think we all have to accept one serious flaw of Ron Paul: He endorses people who come nowhere near to being as good as they should be...we learned this the hard way in 2008.

The lesson I took away from this is to do the vetting of a candidate here or on your own. RP is a human, flawed individual and he does not make the best decisions in this realm...something we'll have to realize, or keep being disappointed. Of course, it's great to have their answers to the CfL surveys so we can hold their lies up to the light of day, as I did with my congressjerk who stated on the survey that he would NOT vote for the Patriot Act--then, of course, did.

Romulus
02-17-2011, 06:54 AM
Yep, I was disappointed when I saw RP supported and gave her money...

specialkornflake
02-17-2011, 07:40 AM
Her response:

Just to be clear I have serious concerns about a complete reauthorization of the Patriot Act, the three expiring provisions I voted for were temporary and will give Congress and opportunity to debate and review them in the upcoming months. As a Member of the House Intelligence Committee, I look forward to making sure our intelligence laws are implemented in a way that reflects our constitutional principles.

Danke
02-17-2011, 08:24 AM
Screw her.


From 1988 to 1993, Bachmann was a U.S. Treasury Department attorney in the US Federal Tax Court located in St. Paul. According to Bachmann, she represented the Internal Revenue Service "in hundreds of cases"[10] (both civil and criminal) prosecuting people who underpaid or failed to pay their taxes

dean.engelhardt
02-17-2011, 08:29 AM
I know RP supports her, but she is one of the most gullible, stupid politicians I've seen. I heard that she is attacking Michelle Obama for supporting breastfeeding. She fell for the $600M Obama trip in a big way. I really wonder how she got her law degree.

Elwar
02-17-2011, 08:33 AM
Ron Paul had to endorse a lot of incumbants as part of being in the Republican Party. He endorsed every Texas Republican incumbant for this reason.

specsaregood
02-17-2011, 08:36 AM
I know RP supports her, but she is one of the most gullible, stupid politicians I've seen. I heard that she is attacking Michelle Obama for supporting breastfeeding.
You sure it wasnt' related to the breastfeeding provisions in Obamacare? The ones that require businesses to set aside a seperate room and designate it just for employees to pump breastmilk?

Edit: Nevermind, found it.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/16/michele-bachmann-slams-michelle-obama-over-breastfeeding-does-s/



Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., took a swipe Wednesday at Michelle Obama over the first lady's support of tax breaks to mothers for purchasing breast pumps and nursing supplies. Obama has cited studies that correlate longer breastfeeding with lower rates of childhood obesity, but for Bachmann, such government incentives smack of an all-too-literal "nanny state."

"For them, government is the answer to every problem," Bachmann told radio talk-show host Laura Ingraham. "And so government got us in this problem, and so they think government is going to get us out of the problem. Clearly they're wrong."


Bachmann is a moron, I'd support that tax break, hell I'd support most any tax break.

amy31416
02-17-2011, 08:38 AM
I know RP supports her, but she is one of the most gullible, stupid politicians I've seen. I heard that she is attacking Michelle Obama for supporting breastfeeding. She fell for the $600M Obama trip in a big way. I really wonder how she got her law degree.

She truly is a moron.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/02/17/2011-02-17_michele_bachmann_tea_party_darling_slams_first_ lady_michelle_obama_over_breastfe.html

It's a freaking tax break via categorization as a medical device...and she's claiming that the gov't wants to "buy" mothers a breast pump. My only complaint about Michelle Obama's anti-obesity crap is that she calls it a "national security" issue--and that she wants more skinny Americans for the meat-grinder, which is something that Bachmann obviously supports.

Brett85
02-17-2011, 08:44 AM
Here's Michelle Bachmann voting against a 500 million spending cut to the Afghanistan Infrastrucure Fund. So much for Bachmann being a fiscal conservative. Conservatives now support overseas stimulus spending.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll047.xml
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:7:./temp/~bdel3e::

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-17-2011, 09:02 AM
You sure it wasnt' related to the breastfeeding provisions in Obamacare? The ones that require businesses to set aside a seperate room and designate it just for employees to pump breastmilk?

Edit: Nevermind, found it.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/16/michele-bachmann-slams-michelle-obama-over-breastfeeding-does-s/



Bachmann is a moron, I'd support that tax break, hell I'd support most any tax break.

The problem is those aren't really tax breaks. It merely shifts the money stolen from you to a private company and you get something in return, which all private entities that sell these goods love because it is funnelling money directly to them. A tax break means giving your money back to you, not telling you, buy this and we'll cut that amount off your tax bill. That's called social engineering and corporatism. Now, having said that...I'd probably support it because at least you are getting *something* back.

Edit: Just read the article and she brought that up...Who coulda figured I'd agree with Michelle Bachmann on something lolz.

dean.engelhardt
02-17-2011, 09:04 AM
She truly is a moron.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/02/17/2011-02-17_michele_bachmann_tea_party_darling_slams_first_ lady_michelle_obama_over_breastfe.html

It's a freaking tax break via categorization as a medical device...and she's claiming that the gov't wants to "buy" mothers a breast pump. My only complaint about Michelle Obama's anti-obesity crap is that she calls it a "national security" issue--and that she wants more skinny Americans for the meat-grinder, which is something that Bachmann obviously supports.

Childhood obesity as a national security issue! We need to make a new federal department, hire thousands of federal works, and have them show each other PowerPoint charts on the ill effects of childhood obesity. While we are at it, let’s increase subsidies to corn growers so we have more cheap HFCS in our food.

See Bachmann, you can challenge Obama's statement without pissing of every women in America.

Original_Intent
02-17-2011, 09:07 AM
So, it's a national security issue because we need more healthy young men and women to draft into the military to fight the Islamofascists who hate us for our freedoms!

sailingaway
02-17-2011, 09:11 AM
I think we all have to accept one serious flaw of Ron Paul: He endorses people who come nowhere near to being as good as they should be...we learned this the hard way in 2008.

The lesson I took away from this is to do the vetting of a candidate here or on your own. RP is a human, flawed individual and he does not make the best decisions in this realm...something we'll have to realize, or keep being disappointed. Of course, it's great to have their answers to the CfL surveys so we can hold their lies up to the light of day, as I did with my congressjerk who stated on the survey that he would NOT vote for the Patriot Act--then, of course, did.

To be fair to Ron, I think he is really trying to build up C4L as a tool to be used in elections generally. So he was rewarding people who answered the questions correctly, in order to inspire people to answer the questions, period.

Having said that, I agree we should vet our own candidates, and that his endorsement is more of a reason to look into them. I doubt he'd do less than endorse the best in a race, but that doesn't mean they are good enough to get full bore support which takes effort from other liberty races.

sailingaway
02-17-2011, 09:13 AM
I know RP supports her, but she is one of the most gullible, stupid politicians I've seen. I heard that she is attacking Michelle Obama for supporting breastfeeding. She fell for the $600M Obama trip in a big way. I really wonder how she got her law degree.

You have to ask why Ron supported her. She was big in spreading the audit the fed issue, as much as any congressman besides Grayson. If he hadn't supported her, how much less weight might others throw behind his views? And she was running against a Dem who was pro Obamacare, etc.

dean.engelhardt
02-17-2011, 09:20 AM
You have to ask why Ron supported her. She was big in spreading the audit the fed issue, as much as any congressman besides Grayson. If he hadn't supported her, how much less weight might others throw behind his views? And she was running against a Dem who was pro Obamacare, etc.

Understand what you are saying about lesser of two evils. She may be doing lots less damage than her opponent would be doing. I just wish she would confer with RP more before voting or talking to the media. Acting so stupid reflects on the people she says she represents.

sailingaway
02-17-2011, 10:05 AM
Understand what you are saying about lesser of two evils. She may be doing lots less damage than her opponent would be doing. I just wish she would confer with RP more before voting or talking to the media. Acting so stupid reflects on the people she says she represents.

Do NOT get me wrong. This vote shows who she is, imho.

People have different 'primary issues' for why they are Paul supporters. Civil liberties and restoration of natural rights protected in the Constitution are one of my primary issues.

Rothbardian Girl
02-17-2011, 10:26 AM
Well, this seals it. She has to go out during the next election. Her constituents have to hold her accountable.
I agree with just about everyone else in this thread.

Austrian Econ Disciple
02-17-2011, 10:43 AM
So no one here agrees with her that tax deductions are social engineering?

Rothbardian Girl
02-17-2011, 10:54 AM
So no one here agrees with her that tax deductions are social engineering?

Yes, I do agree with her on that point (and consequently you as well), but that doesn't necessarily mean I would want to see her continuing to represent the Tea Party. I just think she got it completely wrong here and there's no convincing people like her - they have to do the research for themselves. Obviously she hasn't taken that step yet.